So which countries are in favor of ISIS? If the US were to totally withdraw from fighting ISIS, would Iran and the rest of the Middle Eastern countries, and Russia, and China and the EU just sit back and let ISIS have its way?

Frankly, I think it was a stupid decision and he was generally rolled by RE and VP. I also think the RE and VP rolled the previous president.

I think of the ten good things Trump did WRT Syria, which were far better than what BO did there, are mostly unwound by this stupid action. Yet we are currently still in a better position WRT Syria than when BO handed the reigns to DT.

How are we in a better position WRT ISIS?
Will the Kurds once again ally with us against ISIS?
What's the strategy to put down the current resurgence of ISIS?

Or is it don't worry they are 7000 miles away and blah blah will have to deal with them?

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...y-rising-ashes

https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-e...iraq-and-syria

https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/analy...a-f3008d6cef41

http://www.understandingwar.org/repo...sis-insurgency

https://www.foxnews.com/world/jack-k...s-return-syria

Turkey to suspend Syria offensive, US says


Seems the Trump administration is the piro and the firefighter

next phase they will move to Seev we saved the Kurds :jester:

They wrote this up too quick, Everything about this entire story sounds fishy. Trump pulls out, Turkey moves in the next day. Pence and Pompeo just happen to be going there three days later. Pence does a Stern-face photo op and there is a 13 point cease fire done in 3 hours?

Putin has his entire bought and paid for troupe of Puppets dancing

But on the plus side, Pence & Pompeo did get Erdogan to agree to investigate Joe Biden

As if on cue.

Mr Pence credited Donald Trump's "strong leadership" during the announcement, saying: "He wanted a ceasefire. He wanted to stop the violence

What makes anyone think the kurds are going anywhere?
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Perry running for the door, EU ambassador and Mulvaney confirm QPQ was in play and Putin is toasting the fact he helped this moron get elected. But at least the Trump family can make some money at the G7 or wait is it now the G8, as he plans to invite his bud Putin, before he is cuffed and taken to New York,
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A Turkish official briefed by participants in the talks said the Turkish side was surprised and relieved at how easy the negotiations were. “We got everything we wanted,” said the adviser to the Turkish Foreign Ministry of talks with Pence.
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Like two kids in a lot, you have got to let them fight and then you pull them apart," he told a rally in Texas. How Trump sees the issue with Turkey and the kurds
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Erdogan today says his "safe zone" as agreed with Trump stretches 450x32 kms, from the Euphrates to Iraq. This includes all majority Kurdish and Christian areas of Syria. Senior U.S. officials say it is far narrower. Listen to Erdogan, not Trump.
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Under the Putin-Erdogan deal, the Syrian regime will take control of the main border crossings with the Iraqi Kurdistan Region at Fishkabour and Rabiya. The president seems not to realize the extent to which the entire position in NE Syria has unraveled.
Putin and Erdogan want us out. That’s been their plan for some time. What they agreed to yesterday makes it very difficult to realistically maintain a US presence, let alone one that might meaningfully impact the situation on the ground in Syria or against ISIS.
How would a small residual US force be sustained without land supply? Extremely difficult and high risk. In military affairs, you don’t preserve options after making a catastrophic decision without thought or preparation. You foreclose them, as last three weeks demonstrate.

We just handed over control of the Middle East to Russia.
What's next?

with global warming nobody is going to want to be there in a couple of years anyway

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America 1st
Get used to it
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Trump says he's lifting all sanctions put on Turkey in response to its Syria incursion.

I think Republicans are getting close to the limit

Leader McConnell@senatemajldr
I am introducing a Senate resolution to reaffirm the need for a strong U.S. presence and oppose premature withdrawal from Syria or Afghanistan. I hope my colleagues on both sides will take the opportunity to affirm these principles on the record.

Trump suggests that Obama allowed children to be killed by not honoring his “powerful" Syria red line in 2013.

At the time, Trump urged Obama not to strike Syria.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
President Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your "powder" for another (and more important) day!
9:21 AM · Sep 7, 2013

President Trump says some US forces will stay in Syria to guard oil and the US will decide what to do with it in the future.

President Trump says "a few" ISIS prisoners escaped, but most were recaptured.

US Special. Rep for Syria Jeffrey tells Congress that over 100 ISIS prisoners have escaped custody during the Turkish invasion of northern Syria and displacement of Kurdish forces, and "we do not know where they are"

And to top off Trumps very special day up to now

A lawyer for Donald Trump argued in federal court that the president could shoot someone on 5th Avenue in New York City and not be prosecuted.

That is fascinating
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BREAKING: US to send "additional military assets" to protect Syrian oil, says Pentagon - AFP

So it’s official. More troops to Syria. And this time it really is ‘blood for oil’—a rare instance in which farce has given way to tragedy instead of the other way about.

as you said, "how many american lives is that worth?"

What's the benefit vs cost for this idiocy?
"everything looks swell when you celebrate the benefit and pretend there’s no cost."

In 2013 the decision was made to not occupy Syria because to provide a safe space for our troops on the ground would cost $1B per month, instead the decision made was to provide Special Forces and equipment to the Kurds for a far smaller exposure and cost.

Military and foreign policy by tweet, what could possibly go wrong?
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Let's get this straight. We won’t use US troops to defend our allies who were critical to defeating ISIS, but we will use US troops to defend oil against an ISIS that has reappeared because we no longer defend our allies.

ISIS has been defeated Pete. Get over it.
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Pentagon sources pretty openly admitting they exploited Trump's obsession with "the oil" to get him to agree to leave forces in Syria, which the military wants to do for other reasons

Just think what other countries do

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Imagine that!
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John Kelley
"What was working in Syria was that for very little investment, the Kurds were doing all the fighting, the vast majority of the dying, and we were providing intelligence and fire support assistance. And we were winning."
Imagine that!
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Ha ha
Good get
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