More like donkeys and elephants.

Jeez! I don't have an issue with investigating honesty, but let's at least pretend that we do it consistently.

I really like Carson as a person, his life story is amazing, and I love what he did to Obama at that prayer breakfast. I won't vote for hinm in a primary (likely not anyway), but I'd vote for him in the general against Hilary.

I have trouble with anyone saying they would not have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11. Iraq is open for debate, but even the Pope said the Afghanistan war was morally justified.

And can't you get a grip - his autobiography is wrong. I sure as heck would check my facts before putting something in my autobiography. He put down the wrong date (and stated it was afrer a Memorial day parade) and when questioned, accussed the press of lying. If he wasn't sure he should have just said it was in early 1999.

So if he had the wrong date, it is yellow journalism or good journalism when you check the facts?

Paul, are you feeling OK, or not? The press DID LIE. Politico stated in a huge headline, that the Carson camp admitted fabricating the whole scholarship to them. What Carson challenged Politico on that, they immediately changed the headline, removed their assertion that anyone in the team admitted anything to them.

Politico lied about Carson's team admitting anything to them.

What don't you get about that?

Also, if checking these things is so inmportant, how come nobody lifted a finger to look into Obama's records? When Obama says "I am not releasing my records", the press said "fine". Those same folks who couldn't care less about Obama's grades, attacked John McCain for his grades, which he happily released.

You tell me if that's fair.

which would also be a lie?

apples and oranges

It's turning into an Abbott and Costello routine.

No proof whatsoever that no one from West Point didn't encoyurage him to apply, stating he'd get in if he applied. Is it crazy to interpret that as an offer of a scholarship?

CNN claims they "proved" he was lying about his violent tendencies, because they asked a couple of people who knew him 50 years ago who didn't remember him being violent. Somehow, to CNN, that's sufficient proof that he was lying, because it didn't cross CNN's mind that perhaps some people know that detail, and others don't. After all, everyone in your life has the same exact detail of you rthoughts, as everyone else, right? There's nothing you tell you rbest friend that you don't tell everyone. That's journalism, boy!

They sure as hell don't want to ask him about his experiences with working tirelessy to save babies in the womb, so instead they go through hi sgarbage to dig up dirt on him. Meanwhile, Obama can choose not to release his academic records, and they all kiss his ring and move on.

Are you serious?

He should use the correct year. Was it 69?

you're the expert :deadhorse:

wow. You're amazing.

No, Carson has no policy experience and by all measures doesn't seem to have a lot of policy insight. His life story as it's been presented is the entire package. Now that he's being taken seriously by voters he's going to get the joys of living in the spotlight.

Paul, does it seem likely to you that Politico lied about getting an admission of guilt from Carson's campaign? As soon as Casron asked them to prove their claim, they withdrew their statement. Politico is no longer saying that the Carson campaign admitted to lying.

What do you think happened there? Something other than yellow journalism?

Or what CNN did? Just because the few people CNN interviewed from his chilhood couldn't recall a violent temper, does that give CNN the right to claim that Carson lied about it? Isn't it responsible journalism to conclude that not every single person he ever met, will have identical recollections of him, 50 years later?

I can say "I loved fishing when I was in high school". If you pick 1 kid from my class, and ask him, he might say "I remember Jim, I don't recall him saying anything about fishing". Does that mean I lied? Or does it mean what we all know is true, that not everyone will recall identical details, decades later? Do you see how crazy that is? That's what CNN did to the man. That's not yellow journalism?

Politico didn't "lie" they made an inference based on the Carson campaign validating their story. It was sloppy journalism but not necessarily a lie.

People throw the word lie around so much I'm not even sure what it means any more.

"Carson has no policy experience "

He didn't formulate policies when he was director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins? Or in his role as a member of the Board of Directors at Costco?

I'm sorry, when Oama was running in 2008, after a whopping 2 years in the US Senate, what was his policy experience, exactly>

"by all measures doesn't seem to have a lot of policy insight"

A lot of Republicans would disagree. The man knows how to solve complex problems, he has proven that, hasn't he?

Eisenhower had no political experience either, and he is regarded as a spectacular president.

"he's going to get the joys of living in the spotlight"

And that's fine, he's in the big leagues. But it should bve applied consistently to all candidates, correct? Because it's not. Obama would not release his academic records, and no one asked for an explanation, no one dug them up like they did with Bush. So why does a reporter not wonder why Obama refuses to release his records, but attack McCain for his transcript? How is that fair?

"they made an inference based on the Carson campaign validating their story"

If no one on Carson's team ever spoke to Politico about it, then how did they make that inference? Bassed on what?

"People throw the word lie around so much I'm not even sure what it means any more"

A statement that only a Hilary supporter could possibly make. Every clear-thinking person over the age of 6 knows what it means.

BREAKING

Jim in CT admits he's not clear thinking!

See how that worked? Did I lie?

Carson said this too...this guy is freekin' nuts...

“So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama.” In March 2007, he claimed the 1965 events in Selma inspired his parents to get together. He was born in 1961. The media chose not to notice.

no wait....sorry...that was Obama

I do see how it worked. I wouldn't say you lied, I might say you are wrong.

Anyway, in the end, it will be Hilary against someone. The whole campaign will be as exhausting and unpleasant as thi sthread has been. I do have to say, that on the other threads, anything other than politics, you and Paul have been awesome to me. It's too bad that politics does this.

I have to say, if we could split the country in 2, I wpould vote for that and move to wherever my conservative bretheren are. This stuff is incredibly divisive, and I am as guilty of that as anyone.

Spence, in Chicago, the ACLU sued a school district, AND WON, because they said it was discriminatory to tell a boy that he can't shower in the girls' locker room.

Are we really that divided now, where which bathroom you use, is a controversial question? I honestly don't kno wwhat unites us anymore.

If you read what he actually said, rather than just some right wing blog with the "you'll never believe what this celebrity said..." advertisements you'd see that Obama was speaking about the broader civil rights movement that had been building for some time.

It's actually a very good speech.

Per the text of Obama’s 2007 speech:

“This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets [to study in the U.S.], and he met this woman who’s great-great-great-great grandfather had owned slaves,” he said.

“But she had a different idea. There’s some good craziness going on, because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that in the world that it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. But something’s stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. in 1965 So they got together… and poof Barack Obama, Jr. was born.in 1961

“So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. (because I can time travel)Don’t tell me I’m not coming home when I come to Selma, Alabama for the first time. I’m here because somebody marched for our freedom. I’m here because somebody marched for me. I stand on the shoulders of giants,” he continued.

I love it. "Per the text" now means selected quotes surrounded by commentary...

Oh I think this one is done.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/politi...ler/index.html

A for effort.
However that happened the planet would be a totally different place.

I might travel back and time and just drink a lot of beer quietly
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That's what you call fabricated news . What s dumb question . I know you're only posting it to be funny and to show how the media really has lost their collective minds but still pretty pathetic .
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Cnn doesn't post fabricated news.
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Here's another source.

http://time.com/4105477/jeb-bush-baby-hitler/
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Carson's grain storage thoughts... bush wanting to kill Baby Hitler.... Rubio saying victims of rape should be forced to have the child of the rapist.. Trump just being his usual pompous douch self...

That's some clown car they are squeezing into.
GOP death spiral.

Cruz is the only one I think is half sane. Although he is a Koch puppet.
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Well, we can't all be as grounded as the man who is promising free everything.

I keep hearing about the shambles the GOP is in. This is the party that controls both houses of Congress, a majority of governorships, and a majority of state legislatures, and who control the states (NC, GA, FL, TX) that young people are moving to. Yeah, the GOP is really on the ropes.

and the approval ratings of the congress and senate are ??????
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Look it up it cums after Clinton in the dictionary.
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[QUOTE=Nebe;1085991]and the approval ratings of the congress and senate are ??????
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And the approval ratings for the Senate, before the GOP took over in 2014 were???

You're not holding any cards in this argument Nebe.

The approval ratings for Congress stunk on election night in 2014, and the GOP opened up a major can of whoop-ass.

What Rubio is saying is actually (1) very principled, and (2) courageous. Here's why...

Everyone who is pro life, is so because they feel that at the moment of conception, that's a human being. Every single pro-life person thinks that, right? Well, if you believe that. if you believe that it's a human from the moment of conception...then the circumstances surrounding that conception, have no influence over whether or not the result is a human being. The baby has zero control over the circumstances of the conception, therefore the conditions of the conception shouldn't dictate whether or not the product of the conception is, in fact, a human being.

Second, it's a courageous position, because Rubio knows exactly how the media will portray him, and that people like you will be thoughtless enough to buy into it. Having sympathy for the baby, is not mutually exclusive from having deep sympathy from the victim of rape. It would make Rubio's life a lot easier if he said what you wanted to hear, which is what most politicians do. He has the courage of convictions. Much like your hero, Bernie Sanders, in fact. Both men are principled enough that they are not afraid to say what they know is unpopular. Kind of ironic when I put it that way, isn't it.

NEBE who is George Soros puppets?.....:)

Maybe we can get a bus....I don't even care if its the "Little Bus"

Think of the surf casting on block island in 1325.
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Cruz is very smart but I'm not sure he's any more sane than any of the others. Right how he appears to be the best organized to take over after the Trump/Carson bubbles burst.

Not sure Cruz can beat Clinton though. He'll get strong Republican support but won't connect with moderate voters.

The GOP has shot themselves in the foot by marginalizing more moderate candidates.

Ever heard of Marco Rubio? Or do his financial issues make him unqualified, even though Hilary claims she was broke after leaving the White House (minus the art, rugs, and light fixtures that they stole on their way out).

Unless something unforeseen happens with Rubio, he will be on the ticket, He's a spectacular #2 - gives the GOP Florida, a shot at youth, Latinos, and Catholics, and he appeals to both the Tea Party and the moderates. If he wins the top spot, a Rubio/Kasich ticket has electoral math appeal - now you have FL and OH, and you are in business.

Any less insane ? I don't think the neurosurgeon or the multi billionaire are insane . Extremely successful yes, self-made too, but clearly not insane .
I don't understand why you think the GOP shot themselfs in the foot . Clearly the people have had enough with the same old bull#^&#^&#^&#^& that the Democrats want to continue . The GOP has tried to marginalize Trump and Carson .
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Trump is self made? Lol
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10 billion dollars and a top contender for President ... I would say so . Granted he did start with several million and a great work ethic he inherited from his father but don't let what he has accomplished compared to Bernie Sanders cloud your judgment .
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I think his 10B claim has been shot down. He also inherited a support structure that influenced his ability to make that money work.

I'm not sure if that says he's successful or just not self destructive.

Here's the real issue. I was talking to my son today about what Trump brings to the table that makes him want to be a better American. His response, nothing, he's kind of annoying. Didn't he say something mean about someone's Mexican wife?

Exactly.