again, the guy who mocked those with Downs as 'retards', doesn't like the level of discourse. You are such a victim Paul. Poor Paul.

For the 4th time, when did Trump make fun of 'retards'? Any reason why you won't specify?

Don't feel sorry for me but I do feel sorry for you supporting Trump who stood up there on the stage and made fun of spazzes and retards and then you get your panties all in a bunch over someone who's mocking Trump and his supporters for not caring that he did that.
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Sure make it crystal clear.
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And which of your relatives would you be willing to sacrifice to open the economy?

At 3000 deaths a day, it will come close to home for most of us.

Just WHO is your 401K worth to you?

Trump* doesn't care about anything other than getting elected again.

Insignificant Collateral damage, anyone?

We'd save lives if we made the speed limit 5mph, but we don't do that. How come?

"At 3000 deaths a day"

Interesting math. How long has the virus been here? 80 days? More? And we're at 67,000 deaths? I mean, we all know that math isn't liberals' strong suit, but that's some creative, far-fetched math even for a liberal. Which is less than a bad flu season, and we don't destroy the national economy every flu season.

I'm not saying for sure I think we over-reacted. And hindsight is always 20-20. But you can make a case that we didn't need to do this. Look at Sweden, Taiwan, etc...

'Just WHO is your 401K worth to you?'

Look d*ckhead, you asked me if I'm better off today than I was in January of 2017, I said I was, and I provided support, like my 401k and 529 plans being up. You didn't like my answer, and you couldn't think of a sensible response (because there isn't one), so you moved the goalposts and somehow conclude that because I'm happy my 401k is up, somehow that means I don't care about people. Wanting to retire comfortably, and caring for people, aren't mutually exclusive. Are they? I don't see why they would be, but I'm sure you have an answer that's just full of common sense. Please share.

"Trump* doesn't care about anything other than getting elected again."

Quite the mind reader.

I said his attacking that reporter was disgusting. Only in your mind, is that supporting what he did.

You still keep saying that word. You really like that word, huh? Did someone with disabilities graduate above you in your high school class, is that where the hostility comes from?

Pete: Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?

Jim: Yes. For one thing, my 401k is up.

Pete: Oh. And how many people are you willing to sacrifice for your 401k?

I mean, do you think that human sacrifice is the only way that 401k's increase in value? How did you arrive at that asinine conclusion?

Yes, exactly
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paul for the 5th and final time, what is your evidence that trump made fun of people with intellectual disabilities? or did you just feel like injecting that hateful term in here?
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Watch the video. It was disgusting.

There is no bottom with this President.

what intellectual disabilities did the reporter have, Paul? you’re saying he was a “retard”? In what way?

i agree it was disgusting, yet when you say it that’s good, when i say it, you call me a Trumplican.

apparently there is a bottom, as I’ve never heard Trump at the word “retard”.

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No idea what intellectual disabilities he has. While I haven't heard him use spazz or retard, I think we would all agree it is within the realm of possibilities.

We would never have heard either of those words of any other Pres. in our lifetime.

Paul, nothing personal.
You are the only person in the history of the SB.com to summon the moderators to defend you. Not once or twice either.
Close to 20 years have gone by with folks exchanging their thoughts on the site. PaulS is the only person who decided to NOT stand on his own feet and instead make a plea for help. Not only do you steal fishing spots,you also have coward on your resume’. Shame on you and shame on your cowardice.
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I didn't summon them to defend me. Bruce posted the rules and I asked why they didn't apply to you?

You have called me P ussy many times and POS. You talk about people's father, mother and son.

You are a vile, scummy person. I don't know why they allow you to post the vile things you do. You are the most classless person here.

What are you talking about w/fishing spots?

so you concede the guy isn’t a “retard”, and that Trump never referred to him that way, yet you claimed trump makes fun of “retards”. based on nothing.

how about we judge him for things he actually does, not stuff you think he’s capable of?
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and the only president i know of, who explicitly made fun of these particular people, is Obama. But you had exactly zero issue with that. And that’s not hypocrisy.
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Based on the classlessness of this Pres. So what was he doing on stage mocking the reporter?

As you were told, it was a self deprecating comment - meaning he was attempting to make a joke at his own expense. Obama made a poor joke and then apologized. There is no comparison between what Obama did and what Trump did - even ignoring the many, many other times Trump mocks people. Obama didn't do that.

So no hypocrisy. It is not like your trying to hold the Dems. to a standard that you did not hold the Repub. to.

Talk about hypocrisy, just like your hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9cdbJQ_f8

As he often does, he was mocking a guy who was critical of him. A guy who has no intellectual disabilities as far as we know.

Paul, obviously you are part of the group who thinks the president's gestures were making fun of the guys physical challenges. I also assumed that back then, and I reacted the same way you did.

But as is sometimes the case, there's more to that. There was older video of Trump making the same physical gestures, to make fun of someone else who mocked him, and that person had no disabilities. So it's very possible (that for whatever awful reason), Trump uses that twitching motion to mock anyone who disagrees with him. He may well not have even known the guy was disabled.

Your side always leaves that part out. Because the goal is to demonize him as much as possible, not to judge him truthfully.

Again, you used the word 'retard', you admitted the reporter has no intellectual disabilities, you admitted Trump never used that word. End of that story.

And you were told, that no sane person has ever said that rules of decency cease to apply,when one is being self-deprecating.

I am the worlds worst dancer - the worst. The absolute worst on the planet. If I make a joke at my own expense, saying "no one will ever say I dance as well as a n*gger", using YOUR LOGIC, no one should be offended by that, because I was being self deprecating? You stand by that? Or do you see how unbelievably stupid your logic is?

And what Obama said is worse. Because he wasn't just making fun of himself, he was also making fun of the inability of Special Olympians to bowl better than he does. When in fact, they bowl much better than he does.

The man-baby is still mad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl3ZdSf2Ktc

You asked for help on multiple occasions. (P*ssy)You portray it as a one time plea. Not so.
You were recently described as a skinny whiner who steals his friends fishing spots. Not my words so don’t take it personally.
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You're giving him more credit than he deserves. It is not a coincidence he mocked someone who had a handicap and I am sure since he knew the reporter enough to mock him, Pres. Trump knew what disabilities he has. And for him to mock him, is wrong. It is not the same as an attempt at a self deprecating joke as Pres. Trump would ever try that bc he is too vain. And Obama apologized for it.

"It is not a coincidence he mocked someone who had a handicap"

He mocks everyone who dares to criticize him. But the fact is there is evidence that he mocks everyone in this manner (with twitching and spasms), not just people who tragically suffer from that.

The fact that he previously used the same exact gestures to make fun of a healthy person who disagreed with him, means nothing to you?

[QUOTE=PaulS;1192584] Pres. Trump knew what disabilities he has. ]

Prove that please.

I haven't fished with anyone from this site (other than Conn. guys) in years you idiot. And that is why I think you are stupid.

So you ask people about me? Infatuated?

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1192586]Prove he didn't please.

[QUOTE=PaulS;1192588]So the burden if proof isn't on you when you make that claim? You can just say he knew, and that's good enough? And there IS proof he didn't know. Not sure how many times I have to say it, but there is actual video of Trump previously using the same exact gestures to mock someone else, who was healthy. So the fact is, he uses those gestures regardless of the medical situation of the person he's mocking.

Paul, lick your wounds and go away. You're having a very, very rough time on this thread.

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1192589]So it is just a coincidence that he physically mocked someone that has some disability that manifest itself in the reporter have those same type of physical movements? BC 1 other time (which I haven't seen) he mocked someone else in that fashion, you think that proves he didn't do it intentionally.

You're naïve or intentionally lying. You have been defending him for how many pages - that is exactly what TDS is. If the person discussing things with you wants to go on and on for pages and pages you will continue to defend Trump bc you have TDS.

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Paul, you are criticizing him for "making fun of retards" when in your own words, you never saw him do it. You are criticizing him for something which you admit he has never done.

This is the most vulgar, obnoxious, jerky POTUS we have ever had. And all the legitimate things available to criticize him for, aren't enough, You have to make stuff up. You ADMIT that you made it up.

And that, my friend, is what TDS is.

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1192591]I didn't make anything up - he mocked the guy and you are defending him. You're trying to defend the indefensible (TDS)

You're trying to waive it away by saying he made the same motions before 1 time while ignoring the hundreds (thousands) of times he insulted others w/o making that motion. If you had 000s of data points in an actuarial review and one outlier, you would ignore the outlier - not the 000s of data points. I just read the other times that Trump waived his arms around like that the contortions where not the same and the arms movements, spasms and contortions where totally different (mocking the reporters curl of the right hand and wrist). Ann Coulter wrote in her book that Trump was not making fun of the reporter but rather "was dong a standard retard, waving his arms and sounding stupid". In addition, before the mocking, Trump said "You've got to see this guy". The reporter previously covered him and said they were on a first name basis.

[QUOTE=PaulS;1192593]oh FFS you said he made fun of retards, i asked for an
example, you said the reporter who got said has no intellectual
issues.

there is no evidence, none, that he “made fun of regards.”. ann coulter’s opinion means nothing.

show me where he “made fun of regards”. if you can’t show me anything, that means you made it up.

what in god’s name happened to your brain?
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I send my regards to your brain as well. :hihi:
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FFS as Ann said,, he was doing the half retard. That is what I used to see people doing when they were 10 years old. So your contention is that he wasn't doing the Retard but the spazz?
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On this thread, Paul used the word "retard" for absolutely no conceivable reason.

He accused Trump of mocking those people, and when I asked for examples, he came up with Trump mocking a guy who has no intellectual issues. He admitted Trump hasn't made fun of those people, but he thinks he's capable of it, therefore that's the same as if he actually did it.

As wrong as Paul claims it would be to make fun of such people, he defended Obama doing exactly that, because Obama was making fun of himself at the same time (as if that's an excuse for using hate speech).

Paul claimed he didn't tattle to the mods, but rather, he alerted them to the behavior of others which he thinks violated the rules. Because that's so much different from "tattling".

He calls me a Trumplican even though several times I criticized Trump harshly.

And finally, he (like the rest of you) can't concede that liberals are holding Biden's accuser to a very different standard than they help Kavanaugh's accuser to.

When I act that irrationally, you let me know, and I'll go get a cat scan.

So Ann Coulter is a mind reader, just like you are. Are you guys in the same club or something? At least when she's bashing Trump. I'm sure you rely on her opinions often.

STILL waiting for you to respond to my question if it's ok for me to use the n-word when I am making fun of myself. Any special reason you won't respond?

BC I ignore many of your posts. So stop stamping your feet when someone doesn't answer a question you asked.

Why are you ignoring my question whether he was doing the retard or the spazz?

As to your question, what I know for a fact was in his vindictive and obnoxious way, Trump was making fin of a guy who criticized him. He made fun of him in a way that he had made fun of another guy in the past suggesting that his choice of mockery wasn't necessarily related to this guy's condition. If you read Ann Coulters's article, instead of just the sentence that suited your needs, you'd see she was making the same argument I'm making, but she used hateful language to do so. Hateful language that you embraced.

I answered your question. Any chance you can show me the same courtesy? using your logic, can I assume it's OK if I use the n-word while making fun of myself? If not, please explain the difference between that, and your defense of what Obama did.

It must be exhausting to have to get so creative, vague, and evasive, instead of simply answering questions and - god forbid - admitting someone else is right once in awhile.

It is not believable to me that you believe Trump did not make fun of the reporter by imitating and mocking his movements - whether they were as a result of a physical or some type of mental disability. And for that reason, I think you have no credibility (and TDS).

How low we have fallen that this would even be a subject - but with Trump nothing is too low.