and what % of those kids are killed with AR-15s in mass school
shootings ( which is all
the left talks about). and what % are killed in garden variety urban violence one at a time, which the left desperately wants to ignore?

why are we putting 100% of the energy into the much smaller problem? Answer - Politics.
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and what % of those kids are killed with AR-15s in mass school
shootings ( which is all
the left talks about). and what % are killed in garden variety urban violence one at a time, which the left desperately wants to ignore?

why are we putting 100% of the energy into the much smaller problem? Answer - Politics. The solution to fixing the cities lies with conservative ideas, and the left well knows this, and therefore the left refuses to discuss it.

John had the numbers for the tiny % of gun deaths that democrats dedicate 100% of their energy to. Makes the motives pretty obvious.

I’m not saying the gop isn’t at fault, they’re too in the pocket of the NRA. but there’s a lot more to this than can be impacted with gun laws.
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Anyone with a lead of a pre-ban AR-14,
I’m looking to buy.
$ finders fee if it leads to a good price.
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Here's something written by Mona Charon, a conservative, albeit not a Republican.

The aftermath of a horrific mass shooting is not the time one would usually turn to a humor site, and yet, the Onion had an insightful take on Uvalde.

The headline: “‘No Way to Prevent This’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Occurs.”

The piece quotes a fictitious citizen: “‘This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,’ said Idaho resident Kathy Miller.”

And here’s the kicker—the Onion has run pieces with that same headline for years.

As I write, there are reports of yet another attack in Tulsa. Our mass shooting problem—there have been an average of two per month for the past 13 years —arises from a familiar stew of history, culture, law, and commerce. And certain facts loom large. Yes, we are among the most violent countries in the advanced industrial world, and have long been. Yes, guns have always been plentiful whereas mass shootings are a relatively new disease. Yes, mass shootings represent a small fraction of gun deaths in America. And yes, the Second Amendment makes limiting guns more difficult here than in Canada, Australia, or other places. Those are big, hulking obstacles to solving our problem. But there are other assumptions that are trotted out regularly in our hoary gun discussions that are less daunting than they appear.

Consider the matter of guns in circulation. We are often told that there are about 393 million guns in private hands in the United States—more than one per person. How then, some demand, can we expect to make a dent in the problem by instituting controls that affect only new gun sales? All that would do, they insist, is make it more difficult for law-abiding people to obtain guns, while criminals would always have easy access.

The sheer number of guns in private hands needn’t intimidate us into inaction. We have 289 million cars in America and manage to regulate, license, and control them in various ways. The number is not the point. It’s the laws that matter.

Here is a list of 22 mass shootings since 2012. The Aurora, Colorado shooter (I do not publish the names) purchased his guns just before killing people in a movie theater. 12 dead. The Navy Yard shooter purchased his guns before his rampage. 12 dead. The killer who attacked Charleston’s “Mother Emanuel” church purchased his Glock after a botched background check. 9 dead. The Roseburg, Oregon shooter purchased his guns. 10 dead. The San Bernardino shooter got a friend to purchase the guns he used in his attack. 14 dead. The Orlando shooter purchased his guns legally a week before killing people in a nightclub. 49 dead. The Las Vegas killer purchased 33 of the 49 guns found in his hotel room in the year prior to his shooting spree at a country music festival. 58 dead. The Sutherland Springs, Texas killer was able to purchase his firearms despite a history of domestic violence. 25 dead. The Parkland, Florida shooter purchased his weapon a year before attacking Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school. 17 dead. The Pittsburgh assassin legally purchased his rifle and three handguns before shooting up the Tree of Life synagogue. 11 dead. The Thousand Oaks killer? Legally purchased. 12 dead. Virginia Beach? Legally purchased. 12 dead. El Paso? Legally purchased. 23 dead. Dayton? Legally purchased. 9 dead. Atlanta? Legally purchased. 8 dead. Boulder? Legally purchased a few days before a grocery store attack. 10 dead. San Jose? Legally purchased. 9 dead. Buffalo? Legally purchased. 10 dead. And Uvalde, legally purchased days before the attack on Robb elementary school. 21 dead.


Of those 22 cases, there were just three that did not involve a legal sale to the killer: The Midland, Texas shooter purchased his rifle through a private sale before killing 7 strangers; the Santa Fe shooter, who killed 10 at his high school, used guns legally owned by his father; and the shooter who killed 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut used guns bought by his mother.

Perhaps all of these killers would have been able to lay hands on guns already owned by individuals. Maybe. But it would have been much harder than walking into a gun store. In most cases, these killers are mentally unstable, impulsive, and socially maladroit. Purchasing a weapon via private sale would be more challenging.

So making it more difficult to purchase guns—say, by adding more complete background checks, increasing the minimum age to 21, requiring waiting periods, or adopting “red flag laws” that make it possible for family members or police to ask courts to have a person’s guns temporarily removed—would have inhibited the vast majority of the killers listed above.

Here’s another cliché that needs burial—the hunting culture. The misperception here tends to be among pro-gun control Democrats who don’t actually know any hunters and don’t have many in their urban districts but assume that “out there” scores of millions of Americans are shooting deer and pheasants every weekend. This leads some Democrats to mock those who buy AR-15s, as when President Joe Biden asked whether they think the “deer are wearing Kevlar vests.” In fact, hunting is in steep decline in the United States. Less than 4 percent of the population hunts, leading to worries about wildlife conservation. More Americans bicycle than go hunting. Four times as many sing in choirs. And vastly more—65 percent—play video games.

For good or ill, the rugged American guy out in a duck blind wearing camouflage is becoming, if not quite as endangered as the red wolf, nearly so. Hunting today is less an honored tradition than a boutique hobby.

Hunting is not the reason millions of Americans cherish their guns. Their reasons range from benign, like concerns about their safety, to insane, like stockpiling weapons for the coming apocalyptic battle between QAnon and the forces of darkness. But Democrats stumble when they play into GOP talking points about gun-grabbers. Beto O’Rourke’s pronouncements—“Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15s”—does more damage to the goal of reasonable gun control than the NRA can do in a year.

One more old saw that needs retirement: the mental health focus. I have written for years about the legal obstacles we’ve adopted that make it far too difficult to stop an unstable or dangerous person from obtaining or keeping a firearm. But the GOP is now hiding behind the “mental health” mantra to evade responsibility. It does no good to talk of improving mental health if 1) you have no intention of increasing funding, and 2) you refuse to adopt measures (like red flag laws) that would impinge upon the Second Amendment rights of even a small number of individuals.

A bipartisan group of senators is currently huddling in hopes of devising some kind of gun control compromise that can pass both houses. Godspeed to them. But I fear their efforts will fail in our ultrapolarized climate.

If we hope to unstick our politics and permit compromise and common-sense reforms for heart-wrenching problems, we’re going to have to reform the way we choose our leaders. GOP politicians don’t dance to the NRA’s tune for the money. They do it because that’s what Republican primary voters demand. And Democrats who grandstand about gun confiscation are appealing to their left flank—the voters who show up for primaries. In the matter of guns, as with other pressing national concerns, the solutions cannot be unlocked until the incentives facing politicians change—and that requires nonpartisan primaries.

They can talk all they want.
Guns aren’t going anywhere.
Matter of fact I’m getting ready spend some $ on a few.
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Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’

Murder rates didn’t soar only in cities during the pandemic; small-town sheriffs and prosecutors are overwhelmed with homicide cases
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California Governor Gavin Newsom just joined Truth Social and is pointing out to Trump supporters that 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates are red states— “I know we’re all on this platform in search for the ‘truth.’”
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and who runs the places within those states that are driving the murder rate? are murder rates high throughout the whole state? or in certain places? and who runs those certain places?

here are cities with highest murder rates. how many are run by republicans for decades?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us...h-most-murders

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That’s what makes your narrative work
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and pointing to states, is what makes your narrative work.

Why is the state of TN more responsible for what happens in Memphis, then the people
who run Memphis?

If the state of TN was that bad, why are so many people
moving to the suburbs like Franklin, which are thriving? if a state was that influential and that incompetent, wouldn’t the whole state be poorly run?
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Murder rates are 40% higher in the 25 states that Trump won than the 25 states that Biden won.
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then there won’t be enough republican voters for the gop
to win in november. you’re all
set.
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$20million guns sold In 2021.
On average $400-$700 for a hand gun.
That adds up to a whole lot of sales tax revenue for states with the exception of NH & a handful of other states that don’t have sales tax and the gang bangers who get their guns illegally.
Guns aren’t going anywhere !

Democrats in power are the greatest gun salesmen 👍
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No fear and tin foil hats drive gun sales . Gun owners prove it again again and again .. when ever a Dems in office
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X Uvalde officials are using a legal loophole to block the release of shooting records

The city and its police department are arguing against the release of the requested records, citing the following reasons: the city is being sued, some individuals' criminal history records could include "highly embarrassing information"; some of the information could reveal police "methods, techniques, and strategies for preventing and predicting crime," could cause "emotional/mental distress," "is not of legitimate concern to the public,

Wow
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the point being, you can’t always count on the government to protect you or your kids, therefore a compelling argument can be made to avail yourself of your second amendment rights.

your post could be a poster for the NRA.
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Spoken like a true cult member!

not sure how you can twist what what I posted into this

"the point being, you can’t always count on the government to protect you or your kids"

and somehow twist into why we need the 2nd Amendment :faga:

Whatever you say.
Fact is no way in hell any elected politician r or d would ever do away with a tax
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you made a case that we can’t count in the police. As is often the case, guy made the opposite argument of what you thought you were making.

You made a terrific pro 2A argument. Kudos.
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wow your imagination is running wild now its

"you made a case that we can’t count in the police."


Jim you are more and more detached from reality! it's more obvious by the day ..


you can't even read the actual Truth of why Texas refuses to release information to the Public and see it for what it is Stonewalling


Typical hypocrite conservative Claiming to support freedom and transparency ... only if that Transparency Benefits the GOP or conservativism like I have said freedom for Me not for thee the new MANTRA of the right

Police officers never tried to open the door leading to two classrooms at Uvalde's Robb Elementary School during the 77-minute time period between when gunman Salvador Ramos, 18, got inside the room and killed 21 people and when officers got in and shot him, according to surveillance footage

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/uv...bb-elementary-
shootings/2022/06/19/id/1075063/


Seems the Truth Has made the case that we can’t count in the police. At least in Uvalde

McCraw testified during a Texas state senate hearing the door could not be locked from the inside, and there was no indication that officers even attempted to try to open the door ..
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Well-Regulated Militia Opens Fire On Fourth Of July Parade In Highland Park, Illinois; Cheap Thoughts And Useless Prayers Now Being Rushed To The Scene ... more on this soon-to-be-forgotten-and-then-repeated story as it develops ...

"We've really got to harden these parade routes. One entrance and exit per parade. Ballistic shields on every float and body armor for every baby."

Some politician, tomorrow

Reporter: Any idea how he got on to the roof?
“So the roof was a business and it looks like access to the roof via a ladder in an alley was unsecure.”

I think we can all agree, more ladder control will keep us safe.

Guns don’t kill people, ladders do.

This was a parade with tons of cops and firefighters, apparently non of the good guys with guns could do anything about it.

No other social problem is solved by more of the same. We don’t give alcoholics more booze. We don’t give drug addicts more drugs. Those who wish to quit smoking are not encouraged to smoke more. Yet Church of the NRA believers insist that we need MORE guns. Where’s the logic?
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Militia needs training, there just aren’t that many calendar days in a year you can practice on live targets, you never know when the red coats are coming. The pace is good, over 250 mass shooting this year, keep up the pace boys, you never know when that call to arms will come in.

Good Job, Pete. Stunning. Left wing incel anarchist shoots up a 4th of July parade and you call it Well-Regulated Militia.

You will soon find that this kid:

Was a problem kid.
Couldn't adjust

Socialist.
Hated everyone.
His family has gone thru rough times with the pandemic.

He made his escape in a Honda Fit, so at least he was concerned about the environment
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Bobby Crimo, aka Awake the Rapper, is the shooter responsible for the July 4 Highland Park Parade shooting.

He was a die-hard Trump supporter who released a QAnon-inspired song called “I Am The Storm.”

Has 47 tattooed on his face

As we see, he's apparently a proud Trump supporter, & was out exercising his conservative rights & spreading his conservative values this July 4th.
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And? Oh yeah everyone has easy access to high powered weapons.

He shot up a 4th of July Parade. What "Right Wing" person does that?

He wore a Where's Waldo outfit in front of a Trump Flag - not exactly a Venn Intersection of Trump supporters. He was there for the Memes.

His social media posts leaned into the left/anarchist realm, some leaned to the right. What we'll find out is a kid with mental illness problems that could not adjust to society.

Darren Bailey, an Illinois state senator and the Republican nominee for governor, apologized Monday after saying that people should "move on" from the deadly Highland Park shooting earlier in the day.

Bailey spoke after a July Fourth parade in the town of Skokie was canceled in the wake of the shooting, which left at least six dead and injured at least 24 others.

"Let's pray for justice to prevail, and then let's move on and let's celebrate the independence of this nation," he said.

Bailey said in a statement released after his comments that he apologizes if he "diminished the pain" being felt across Illinois.

But when Hilary says Republicans hate everybody, you defend her by saying "she apologized". So only democrats are let off the hook when they apologize?

It’s about weapon availability

The rest is window dressings designed to muddy the water
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It's about your Constitutional Rights, exercising your Constitutional Rights, and the restrictions imposed on those rights. How do we effectively hamper only those that need restriction, rather than restricting everyone while only, maybe, occasionally, excepting need.

That's not all it is, and I can prove it. Here goes...we all have access to that weaponry, but 99.5% of us would never even think of hurting anyone, no matter how many weapons are available. A big part of this, is that more and more of us are slipping into that mental abyss, and that abyss is getting darker and scarier all the time as our collective moral compass gets more and more broken.

You are correct, if there were zero guns out there, presumably there'd be zero gun crime. Problem is, there is no remotely practical way to eliminate gun availability which (1) is constitutional, and (2) is realistic to implement. I agree it's time to try things that haven't been tried before, but I don't believe gun control will move the needle much. It's been tried so many times. It never accomplishes much. What will be different this time? I do think we have to try just so we can tell our kids we didn't choose to do nothing, but I have no reason to believe it will work. None.

If there were no guns, there'd be no gun violence. At the same time, if there were no sociopaths walking among us, we could all have machine guns but there'd be no gun violence.

There are 2 levers to pull here, gun availability and the culture/mental illness aspect of our society. Both parties are guilty of focusing on one side and completely ignoring the other.

That's completely, exactly correct.

"How do we effectively hamper only those that need restriction"

Answer - obviously, we can't. Not a chance.

If a democrat president can trample on constitutional rights because he feels morally justified in doing so, then a Republican president can do the same thing. And the people calling for Biden to be able to ignore parts of the constitution they don't happen to like, won't like it one bit if Trump declared he was doing the same thing.

OMG Jim is going to prove something else, thank god he is here to set the record straight on the pressing issues of our lives:jump:

I'm pointing out a stupid comment while also showing he apologized -mostly for your benefit. You constantly point out Hillary's deplorable comment (which looking at the state of the Rep. party was true) while not giving her credit for apologizing.

70% of the Rep. party fails to recognize the legit Pres. election while calling people groomers, pedos, talking about doing away w/gay marriage, etc. Seems to me the Rep. party is the party of anger and hate.

i’m not moved by self
serving apologies by politicians, even in my party. It was a ghoulish comment and the jerk should go away.

if you think hilary was correct, you may really not like what happens in november.

just keep insulting the other side, all the polls show it’s working swell with independents.

democrats aren’t angry. right.
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NM

We MUST find a way. Problem is the effort to find a way isn't being made. SCOTUS even stated that there is no reason why 2A should not have the RIGHT as default, like other rights. Rather than being the only RIGHT which is hampered from outset.

True