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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1239022)

people who wanted to fight to the death for individual liberty and less taxes, you describe as woke, progressive liberals? people who fought so that the government would leave them alone, those are progressive liberals?

You’ve really got a keen intellect there. I mean that’s impressive logic.

Well Jim what would you call them ? you seem to have left that part out?

Your another one with not historical prospective at all. Absent of any intellectual credibility . And clearly can’t think on your own

If we view the Founding Fathers and the 55 framers of the constitution through the lens of the present, it is apparent that they would be considered progressive thinkers. The purpose of the formation of our democratic republic was to create a system of institutional alternatives to what was available at the time. A new way of living that had never existed before. It was a time in American history where human imagination and cooperation created new alternatives to the historical organization of economic, political, and social structures.

That’s America breaking away from England

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1239036)

Your another one with not historical prospective at all.

Absent of any intellectual credibility .

And clearly can’t think on your own

just priceless.......

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1239018)

Silly rabbit the founders were progressives

Certainly not capital "P" Progressives. Political Progressivism is anti US Constitution as written by the Founders.

and I am sure if woke was a thing back then. the English king and colonial loyalists would be referring to them as woke Rebels

If "woke" as it is culturally characterized today was a thing back then, the Founders would join the English King and Colonial Loyalists in branding them as insane and a threat to humanity.

You really need to up your game in the history of the world and it’s nations and governments .

And Get back to us when you find one that hasn’t changed since it’s creation
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What hasn't changed is human nature. Certainly not since 1776. And discernably not since recorded history.

And human nature is complex. It is often its own enemy. We have internal conflicts between a desire to be free, and a desire to be taken care of. We have a desire to rule as well as a desire to be ruled. We have a desire to be independent and a desire to be part of a protective group.

The Founders crafted a constitutional system of government that would provide the maximum opportunity for individual human beings to fulfill their inherent natural tendencies and desires without suppressing those of others.

That requires a balanced cooperation between the complex blends and combinations of natural humanity in the country's diverse population of individuals. When that balance tips in favor of those who wish to rule, for whatever reason, then the opportunity for individuals to fulfill their personal tendencies and desires will shrink.

And when the tendency to be ruled or to be taken care of becomes greater in a majority of the people than their desires to be free and independent, then they will be easier, even eager, to be ruled. And so those who still have balanced or strong desires to be self-reliant will become odd, out of touch, a danger to society. And the Constitution will be an obstacle to overcome.

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1239039)

just priceless.......

The king of drive by’s returns Once again offering nothing to the conversation Not surprised