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Jim in CT 02-22-2022 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1222954)
Russia continues to occupy Ukraine
Trump was Putin's fan and beneficiary. Putin was never our good friend.
Words matter. It's a Putin crisis, not a Ukraine crisis. There are no separatists; they are Russian occupation forces. There is no Russian president; there is a dictator with nukes who wants the world to dance to his tune. Words matter, but they have never stopped a dictator.
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again, what does it mean that Putin didnt do this during Trump’s 4 years, and he started moving his pieces so early into the Biden administration?


isn’t it fair to say that Putin senses a weakness now, that he didn’t think was there before?
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Jim in CT 02-22-2022 06:34 AM
Robert Gates, Obama’s secretary of defense:

“Biden has been wrong on just about every foreign policy and national security issue, over the last four decades.”

Even before he had dementia, he couldn’t get these things right.
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Got Stripers 02-22-2022 07:17 AM
Stiff sanctions should have been put in place weeks ago, it’s way past the point diplomacy will work, it’s just a matter of time now.

scottw 02-22-2022 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1222958)

“Biden has been wrong on just about every foreign policy and national security issue, over the last four decades.”


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and still going strong....hey, how about kamala?...yikes......:huh:...maybe send hillary with the reset button again....

Got Stripers 02-22-2022 07:53 AM
Trump withholding support for Ukraine in his lame attempt to get dirt on Biden and his outstanding job at dividing Americans and weakening NATO was a gift to Putin, leaving him this military option as his only way to take back Ukraine before they can join nato.

scottw 02-22-2022 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1222965)
Trump withholding support for Ukraine in his lame attempt to get dirt on Biden and his outstanding job at dividing Americans and weakening NATO was a gift to Putin, leaving him this military option as his only way to take back Ukraine before they can join nato.
time to stop blaming trump ...brandon is effing everything up now...

Got Stripers 02-22-2022 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1222966)
time to stop blaming trump ...brandon is effing everything up now...
Trump helped Putin and harmed Ukraine and like everything else he touched left it to the next administration to clean up, but I agree Biden should have pulled the trigger on stiff sanctions as soon as it became apparent what was coming.

wdmso 02-22-2022 08:18 AM
Well if this administration doesn’t see these Peacekeepers as an invasion and they do not sanction russia. They should have been imposed after Putin’s press conference!

Even if the EU or other nation choose not to . They are morons and the term weak won’t begin in describing Bidens Actions
I would suggest the term cowardly…. he huffed he puffed and he blew nothing down !
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scottw 02-22-2022 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1222970)

the term weak won’t begin in describing Bidens Actions
I would suggest the term cowardly…. he huffed he puffed and he blew nothing down !

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he probably forgot....

The Dad Fisherman 02-22-2022 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1222965)
Trump ........ and his outstanding job at dividing Americans
Trump didn't divide Americans, Americans divided Americans. All he was, was a catalyst that brought people's ugliness to the surface (both sides). People are responsible for their own actions on how they treated people, not the Orange Man.

detbuch 02-22-2022 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1222978)
Trump didn't divide Americans, Americans divided Americans. All he was, was a catalyst that brought people's ugliness to the surface (both sides). People are responsible for their own actions on how they treated people, not the Orange Man.
And he didn't weaken Ukraine by "withholding" support. Ukraine got the support, and more than Obama gave. No wonder they keep getting it wrong, they keep believing their own lies.

Jim in CT 02-22-2022 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1222978)
Trump didn't divide Americans, Americans divided Americans. All he was, was a catalyst that brought people's ugliness to the surface (both sides). People are responsible for their own actions on how they treated people, not the Orange Man.
That common sense argument, spits in the face of liberalism, which is largely based on the idea that nothing that anyone does, is their own fault. Everything is someone else's fault. That's liberalism.

Pete F. 02-22-2022 01:15 PM
Tell us about the 8 senators, all GOP, that went to Moscow on July 4, 2018

Be specific, what were they all doing there?
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Pete F. 02-22-2022 01:20 PM
Remember the great days, when Putin was frightened by Donald Trump. Terrifying for Russia to have a POTUS who stood there like a whipped puppy and denigrated his own intelligence services, kissed Putin's ass, and tried to blackmail Ukraine. Amazing Putin lived through it.

Trump was owned by Russia, protected by Republicans.
Traitor to America
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Got Stripers 02-22-2022 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1222979)
And he didn't weaken Ukraine by "withholding" support. Ukraine got the support, and more than Obama gave. No wonder they keep getting it wrong, they keep believing their own lies.
Again another captain obvious, I'm well aware Trump eventually released what CONGRESS approved, even though he had no right to hold it up for his little political Rudy driven craziness about getting Ukraine to help dig up dirt, but by holding it up he was given Putin a good laugh that his browmance with Trump might bear fruit.

scottw 02-22-2022 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1222995)

his browmance with Trump
he admired his eyebrows?

Pete F. 02-22-2022 03:16 PM
It's February 22nd in Donbas. Putin launched the escalation of his invasion on the eight-year anniversary of the end of EuroMaidan, Ukraine's revolution of Dignity, the popular uprising that ousted his puppet, first brought to power by Paul Manafort.
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Pete F. 02-22-2022 03:26 PM
Another Trump/Putin tankie
Russia's state TV is proudly showing off Mike Pompeo's recent commentary, where he said about Putin: “Very shrewd. Very capable. I have enormous respect for him."
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Jim in CT 02-22-2022 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223002)
Another Trump/Putin tankie
Russia's state TV is proudly showing off Mike Pompeo's recent commentary, where he said about Putin: “Very shrewd. Very capable. I have enormous respect for him."
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and that, not perceived weakness of Biden, surely is what incentivized Putin to invade.

A lot going wrong for Pudding Brain.
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wdmso 02-22-2022 03:54 PM
Of all the former secretaries of state under Democratic and Republican presidents, only one is taking to cable news and social media during a moment of peril in Europe to praise Russian President Vladimir Putin and chastise the Biden administration.

Welcome to the new GOP
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Jim in CT 02-22-2022 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1223004)
Of all the former secretaries of state under Democratic and Republican presidents, only one is taking to cable news and social media during a moment of peril in Europe to praise Russian President Vladimir Putin and chastise the Biden administration.

Welcome to the new GOP
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yup. explains why he gop got creamed in VA and why they’re polling so low in generic ballots before the midterms.
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wdmso 02-22-2022 04:02 PM
trump I know [Russian President] Vladimir Putin very well, and he would have never done during the Trump Administration what he is doing now, no way!

Not once does his criticize Putin actions
Only Biden

Another example of his and his administration Putin man crush
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detbuch 02-22-2022 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1222995)
Again another captain obvious, I'm well aware Trump eventually released what CONGRESS approved, even though he had no right to hold it up for his little political Rudy driven craziness about getting Ukraine to help dig up dirt, but by holding it up he was given Putin a good laugh that his browmance with Trump might bear fruit.
Now I understand . . . you didn't mean that Trump weakened Ukraine, but that he gave Putin a good laugh . . . maybe that's why Putin didn't invade Ukraine then, because he was having too good a time laughing. Maybe Biden should have given Putin a good laugh too, so he would 't invade Ukraine.

Jim in CT 02-22-2022 05:12 PM
i’m old enough to remember when obama mocked romney for saying Russia was a serious threat, and ALL the liberals thought Obama was so witty and clever.

Remember? “Hey Mitt, the 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back.”

Ha ha ha, my stomach hurts from laughing.
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Pete F. 02-22-2022 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1223011)
i’m old enough to remember when obama mocked romney for saying Russia was a serious threat, and ALL the liberals thought Obama was so witty and clever.

Remember? “Hey Mitt, the 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back.”

Ha ha ha, my stomach hurts from laughing.
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You Trumplicans have gone from supporting Confederate monuments to supporting rebuilding the Soviet empire. Its like you have a fetish for losers.
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Jim in CT 02-22-2022 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223013)
You Trumplicans have gone from supporting Confederate monuments to supporting rebuilding the Soviet empire. Its like you have a fetish for losers.
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i’ve long said statues to insurrectionist slave owners should
come down.

and i’m not pro ussr.

funny accusation coming from a socialist.

but again, you and wdmso seem to be off i. terms of what you claim the gop believes.

gotta go beat my wife and watch Hee Haw reruns.
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detbuch 02-22-2022 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223013)
You Trumplicans have gone from supporting Confederate monuments

Supporting American history is a loser?

to supporting rebuilding the Soviet empire .

Simply not true.

Its like you have a fetish for losers.
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Making America great again is a loser?

wdmso 02-22-2022 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1223017)
Making America great again is a loser?
America has never stopped being Great

Making America great again . Is just a slogan and a conservative ploy to promote grievance politics pushing division between citizens for votes suggesting other America’s are the true enemy .. of the nation
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scottw 02-22-2022 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1223020)

America has never stopped being Great

Making America great again .

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probably the best political slogan of all time...made leftists so mad they wanted to beat up people for wearing red hats..:bl:

scottw 02-22-2022 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1223013)

to supporting rebuilding the Soviet empire.

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yeah weird, you'd think it would be AOC and Bernie supporting this...


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