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there is zero consensus among the experts? OMG. I bet you think we moved out of the Stone age because we ran out of Rocks. Unbelievable response to telling a surgeon not wear masks Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Obviously the earth could be flat, how would you know, some people think it is.
Why would you think otherwise since there is not a consensus. Try it at a really basic level, masks are cheap and by far the simplest part of the solution. All countries with low levels of Covid have high levels of mask wearing. That's not absolute proof, but it's about 99.9% sure that it does something. There are countries that are doing a better job controlling the virus than the US and there are no countries that had better options going in. That's why the rest of the world feels sorry for us. It's the leader that didn't want to panic people, thought it would go away like a miracle, you'll have a vaccine tomorrow..................... |
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What I meant was, regarding covid, there is no consensus in the medical community as to whether or not masks work. I have to believe they help. But for every study you'd like to post suggesting masks help with covid, I can post a study showing they don't work. That's the reality - no consensus on masks. I'm not making that up to prove a political point, as I wear a mask in public 100% of the time. I'm just stating the truth - within the medical and scientific community, there is zero consensus on whether or not masks work. Again, I wear a mask, so I tend to err on the side of caution and choose to wear one. But there are scientists who say they are useless in the fight against covid. |
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And Conservative evangelical prolife stop caring after they are born #^&#^&#^&#^&em they are on there own superpac foundation Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
Didn't the study come from Trump University?
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"The top immunologists and epidemiologists in the world can’t decide if masks are helpful in reducing the spread of COVID-19. Indeed, we’ve seen organizations like the World Health Organization and the CDC go back and forth in their recommendations." The "consensus" has not been universal. Opinions have wavered back and borth over time. Whatever they are today, they might change tomorrow. But I'm for it. At least, it creates a demand which can help spur the economy. |
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A friend of mine had a bar. He had a rule, no hats. I asked him, why that. He said you have to have a rule and it's a pretty easy way to tell apart the people who can and will follow rules from those that you don't want around. |
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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...19-experts-say Asked and answered. Can you show me the same courtesy? Name one meaningful issue, on which you think democrats are wrong. Or admit you're a rabid, blind, thoughtless, partisan. |
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Nice, making fun of people with Downs. "Conservative evangelical prolife stop caring after they are born " Except the data shows that's 100% false. |
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Any and every topic they use the same talking point theirs no consensus Then post their sources articles from Denmark as see they dont work Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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This study was about home made masks Here we go a mask is a mask . Comparing homemade to N95 Then claming masks dont work. Amazing Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Here you go. Again, I do not agree with these studies. I'm just saying I'm aware they exist, and the pose some questions... https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12...us-wore-masks/ https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/scient...d-of-covid-19/ https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ...jMcwUS6kGKiEo- https://fee.org/articles/europes-top...ting-covid-19/ How many do you want? |
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Spence, people can disagree. The world doesn't have to be all one way or all the other. And we are all still waiting for one example of an issue on which you disagree with democrats... |
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Focuses on mask wearing help to prevent you from getting sick, not making others sick. Doesn't say masks don't work, just says bandanas and neck gators are much less effective. Wow looks bad, but, wait for it... "UPDATE: The authors retracted this study based on the advice of the editors of Annals of Internal Medicine. Read the Notice of Retraction Here" This isn't a study, let alone a peer reviewed one. It's a few anecdotes with an ancient CDC statement from February that has long since been revised. Quote:
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If there was no consensus until "recently," and many worldwide "expert" epidemiologists, including as well the WHO (and even Dr. Fauci) early on and even into august and later, said that masks didn't work, or it was inconclusive if they did, or recommended that only sick people wore them, etc., then all those "experts" were far more responsible than Trump for confusing people and letting the virus spread in the supposedly critical early period of contagion.
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And the WHO went beyond that rationalization and cast doubts on the actual efficacy, or necessity of wearing masks until sometime in august, which was way past the critical early stage that people want to blame Trump for. And many other worldwide "experts" also were negative about mask usefulness well past the critical early stage. Fauci was only one of many. But Trump is blamed for not doing some unspecified thing early enough. |
I’ll be glad when Covita’s over
On Saturday, President Donald J. Trump emerged from his West Palm Beach voting center, boasting he voted a “straight Republican ticket.” A “straight Republican ticket” in his congressional district—the Florida 21st—is one that includes House candidate Laura Loomer, a QAnon supporter who gained notoriety for being so bigoted that she became, according to herself, the “most banned woman on the planet.” From there, Trump jetted off on Air Force One to dance to the Village People’s “YMCA” at yet another rally amid the pandemic that has struck dead 225,000 Americans. Four years ago, it would have been impossible to imagine such a vignette—because before Trump became president, most people had no idea what a “coronavirus” was and QAnon didn’t yet exist. Now, though, these hateful mental and physical plagues are inescapable. They are dominant facts of our personal lives and our national politics. This is America on Trump. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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How about life expectancy under Trump?! Lowest since the Civil War! |
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I don't know if the CDC has issued a recommendation on bandanas or neck gators but I don't see much of that around here. The bandanas seem to mostly be people who don't want to wear a mask but need to walk into the store or get some nips after work. Regardless, none of this is really material to the fact that you still haven't provided a single link that proves "There are peer reviewed studies showing masks do nothing." |
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That said, from your factchecker: "in review, GlobalResearch publishes a combination of real news and conspiracy theories." Being as there were synopses of peer reviewed articles, this should fall into the "real news" categories. At any rate, you wanted an example. None of the studies, btw, said that masks did "nothing." To a nit-picking degree, Jim may be hard put to find a peer reviewed study that proves that masks do nothing. But more important is that there are differing scientific opinions about various aspects of the virus. That leads to uncertainty in the public. And, more importantly, blaming Trump for the mask controversy, especially in the important early stages where many "experts" downplayed the effectiveness or necessity of wearing masks, is more politically motivated than factual. |
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