so why are so many people moving to GOP states.
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Maybe all the bigots are moving there?

I'm pointing out the stupid statements. What are you trying to accomplish when you start threads like this?

maybe. or maybe it’s consistent with the fact that in 2020, a record-number of americans said they were better off after 4 years of trump, so there’s data to suggest it’s that people like conservatism more than they like radical liberalism. .
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letting state legislatures decide state issues, is the exact opposite of what you claim it is.
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It’s too late for Republicans to point fingers and fret about the politicization of the Supreme Court. This was their project – their justices, their shady advocacy groups, and $580M of their dark money.
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If Republicans actually believed in we the people they would stop supporting trump after he stole the election !

But the We the people in their world are a small subset of white evangelicals who vote in primaries and throw cash at Republicans to make American white again….

If the red states actually cared about issue of their state they would Vote on abortion state wide , but the cowards will never put that on the ballot …. The see the polls they know the answer

It’s the only freedoms they support and they want that they care about just look at abortion legal abortion never stopped a Christian from having a baby

just like gay marriages didn’t stop Christian marriages or stop Christian husbands from beating their wife’s . Ya know the same thing that happens in marriages across race and religion and nationality

But the GOP wants America to go back to the time of leave it to beaver and grease .

Where all of today’s problems in their peas cult drive sized brains never existed
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So you think Trump not being allowed to post on twitter is a protected right in the constitution ?


So by Trump not being allowed on a private platform is an attack on his free speech Rights !

But I am the cinderBlock .. that’s funny


And Trump trying to steal the US election is exactly what? In your view . metaphorically of course
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GOP's Ted Cruz feuds with Elmo over kids getting COVID-19 vaccines

Cruz took to Twitter where he said Elmo "aggressively" advocates for vaccinating young children without citing scientific evidence.

Yes Ted children all through out America 0 to 5years old are demanding telling their parents Elmo told me to get the vaccine.
Ted knows who watches The show all those children the GOP claim they want to help

The show reached most young children in almost all demographic groups, most significantly economically disadvantaged children; 88% of children from low-income families and 90% of both African-American and Latino children watched the show before entering kindergarten.

Meanwhile Trumps attempted overthrow of the US election gets no attention from Ted
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Trump Group Pays for Jan. 6 Lawyers, Raising Concerns of Witness Pressure
The former president’s political organization and allies have paid for or promised to cover legal fees for witnesses, as the House inquiry suggests he is trying to influence testimony.

But Liz hugged a woman instead of shaking hands like men do. So Something fishy in Denmark
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Texas Paxton, has signaled that he is willing to revisit the state’s anti-sodomy law, which was struck down by the Supreme Court in 2003 to protect intimacy between same-sex partners.

When are women in Texas getting burkas
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Relax little buckaroo, you live in Mass, you’ll be able to enjoy Pride Month any way you choose
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Stable Genius’s at work

"Hours after the Supreme Court action, the Buckeye state had outlawed any abortion after six weeks. Now this doctor had a 10-year-old patient in the office who was six weeks and three days pregnant."
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Mississippi legislators openly discuss using dogs at airports to sniff women leaving the state.

The dogs can tell if a woman is pregnant.
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and now that we know that men can menstruate and get pregnant, he can still get an abortion if he chooses....

I suspect a lot of leftists out there probably think wdmso, pete, gs and paul are the fringe whackjob element of their wing....

"So, while Naomi is still a pro-choice leftist, she’s smart and intellectually honest. For that reason, she sees the Dobbs decision that reversed Roe v. Wade as an inevitable response to the overreach in which the pro-choice movement engaged:

I believe that the Dobbs decision was an almost inevitable reaction to devastating overreach by the organized pro-choice movement, especially in the last twenty years.

In 1995, Naomi admitted that abortion is the death of a child but rationalized that, in terms of women’s needs, it was still for the greater good. She also warned that the abortion movement would be harmed if it persisted in the lie that the fetus is “a clump of cells” and insisted on pushing abortion later and later into a pregnancy.
After reviewing her stance in 1995, Naomi continued:

I also warned that such mechanistic, amoral language and such increasingly monstrous policies would eventually also create a political scenario that in time was certain to lose: these policies would eventually lose us the reasonable middle: the majority of the country that supports abortion rights in the first trimester but that withdraws its support progressively as pregnancies progress.

Pro-choice activists were not content to defend the right to terminate a pregnancy in the first trimester, which are the limits on readily available abortion throughout Western Europe (where, notably, there is almost no anti-choice activism).

The organized feminist left were not content to use the language or policies that polls supported, of seeking a country in which abortion would be “safe, legal and rare.”

Rather, they pushed, in state after state, to enshrine that “right” up until very the day of a baby’s birth.

At what point does a “right” become a murder?"

Three days after Dobbs, an Indiana OB-GYN got a call from a child abuse doctor in Ohio, which had banned abortion after six weeks with no rape exception.

"Now this doctor had a 10-year-old patient in the office who was six weeks and three days pregnant."
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Things that reduce abortions: sex education, free contraceptives, paid maternity leave, affordable childcare, free pre-K, livable wages, affordable housing, and universal healthcare.

Things that don’t reduce abortions: bans
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so basically free stuff.......

if bans don’t reduce abortions, why are you going absolutely berserk about the prospect of bans in some states?
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yup. only more government can reduce abortions. Individuals are powerless to act in a way to reduce abortions.

Think of how revealing that post is. Only the government can save us from ourselves. Wow.
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Yep because it’s still legal in some states

Outlawing in other states is Ok


Conservatives logic hard at work making excuses


Odd the GOP supports letting Trump hitting the nation in the seat over and over .. but what happens behind a closed door in Texas omg
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So just how will a law against abortions stop them?
You think they were invented in 1973?
Benjamin Franklin published a book that he added a chapter to about how to abort a pregnancy.
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It’s funny all the conservative news from Ted fighting with Elmo to Trump paying for attorneys or
“How the court overruled Roe in a case where the petition for certiorari didn’t urge that position,” then “They resolve the EPA’s authority over climate change in a case involving a regulation that had never gone into effect..

Nope none of these stories got a response

But the mention of Texas reinstating sodomy laws.. The resident Alpha males are attracted like moths to a flame with all sorts of homosexuals references and innuendo. Beating their chests and thinking their owning the libs

It fun to watch
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Always projecting

Who could have imagined that Philip Gunn, MS Republican House Speaker who insists that 12-year-old girls raped by their fathers must bear their children, was personally involved in the coverup of pedophilia in the Southern Baptist Church.
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Conservatives
Pro-life Pro-Death Sentence….Fractured Christian Theology
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so you’re saying an unborn baby who has had zero due process, , and a convicted murderer who has had multiple trials and appeals, are the same?

liberals say the convicted murderer has the right to live, not the unborn baby. You think that’s logical? i’ve often wondered how many bad acid trips it takes to believe that makes sense.

I’m opposed to the death penalty and to abortion, for the same reason, life is too precious.

But there’s logic to saying an unborn baby is more precious than a murderer. There’s little logic in saying the murderer has a greater right to life, than an unborn baby. You really have to hate the concept of responsibility and free will, to believe that.
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Keep screaming without paying attention to the issue at the heart of the conflict.

"Do you believe, at any point in pregnancy, that there should be any limit on a woman's right to an abortion?" Wallace asked.

"I think the dialogue has gotten so caught up on when you draw the line that we've gotten away from the fundamental question of who gets to draw the line," Buttigieg said.

"And I trust women to draw the line."

Wallace pointed to late term abortions and asked Buttigieg what his position was in back-and-forth.

"You would be okay with a woman well into the third trimester to obtain an abortion?" Wallace asked.

"These hypotheticals are set up to provoke a strong emotional reaction," Buttigieg said.

"These aren't hypotheticals — there are 6,000 women a year who get an abortion in the third trimester," Wallace said.

"That's right, representing less than one percent of cases a year," Buttigieg replied. The data from 2019 appears to support his claim, according to a Los Angeles Times report.

"So, let's put ourselves in the shoes of a woman in that situation. If it's that late in your pregnancy, that means almost by definition you've been expecting to carry it to term," he went on.

"We're talking about women who have perhaps chosen the name, women who have purchased the crib, families that then get the most devastating medical news of their lifetime, something about the health or the life of the mother that forces them to make an impossible, unthinkable choice."

"That decision is not going to be made any better, medically or morally, because the government is dictating how that decision should be made," he said.

But Jim knows better than any woman or doctor how this should be decided.
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i’m not screaming, i’m responding. the heart of the matter, the whole
matter,,is whether or not the unborn is a person. that’s all
it’s about.

I don’t truth people
to draw the line. that’s why we need laws, because some people
will draw that line to allow them
to do wicked things. Pete’s answer was a complete, total, cop out.

IF you believe the baby is a person (and you do not, which is fine), you wouldn’t trust women to draw the line where they see fit.

The left always frames this dishonestly.
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I think the majority of women will argue the heart of the issue is they should have control of their own bodies and the decision is theirs. I agree with them, but I know you wil ramble on.

they can argue that, but it’s a smokescreen. and i can prove it.

Are you ok with laws that prevent female teachers from getting involved with male students? i assume you’re ok with those laws, most people are.

in other words, we all agree women can do what they want with their bodies, as long as the choice doesn’t harm someone else. everyone agrees with that. i agree with that, so do you.

Therefore, this is t about women’s rights to make choices. all it’s about, is the status of the baby.

i dare you to make that wrong. you can’t.

ever single criminal law, limits choices people ( even women) can make.
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No you’re wrong
Just because your religion says life begins at conception (but won’t give the unborn last rites) doesn’t make a fetus be a life or have a soul.
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Jim can prove the majority of the women in this country are wrong, OMG someone call Fox we need to give him the audience that will truly appreciate his nonsense.

you don’t respond.

yes, i can prove the issue is not about women’s rights. There are tons of laws that restrict women’s rights

If women have bodily autonomy, by what right do we force them to take vaccines, not inject themselves with heroin, require them
to get up in the middle of the night and feed their hungry babies?

calling me an idiot, doesn’t recite my point. it cannot be refuted, i’ve used it a million times, there’s no logical response.

we all agree that women can do whatever they want as long as they don’t hurt someone else. Therefore this isn’t about women’s rights. All that matters. is the question of whether or not the baby constitutes “someone else.”

If it’s nonsense, why can’t you refute it with a rebuttal?
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Moving the goal posts again

I thought it was about how life is precious

Now it’s about due process

Jim what I posted is not my what I believe it’s just a contradiction in red states who hate abortion but embrace the death penalty wanting it both ways. I belive in the right to abortion and the death penalty

Iam not conflicted
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you compared abortion and the death penalty. i didn’t move the goal
post even by an inch.
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the constitution says that life cannot be denied without due process. abortion is an obvious violation. the death penalty is clearly in keeping with that.

the death penalty is explicitly constitutional. doesn’t mean it’s ethical, i believe it’s not ethical, but you cannot even argue that it’s unconstitutional.

with abortion (again) if you believe the baby is alive, then killing it without due process, is irrefutably unconstitutional.
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the constitution says that life cannot be denied without due process.

Those goal posts must be powered by V8s they move so fast

Where in the constitution is a fetus mentioned or considered an citizen
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Nowhere. It's not mentioned anywhere.

Which means, like abortion, the question of the status of the baby gets decided by the states.

Game. Set. Match.

Boy, did you walk into that one and lob me a softball.

On what basis is there another stage of development that makes more sense to call it a person. Conception is the one moment when something spectacular happens, when something gets created that literally wasn’t there a second ago.

if you pick, say 15 weeks, there’s no logic to it. the baby is no different on the last day of the 14th week, than it is on the first day of the 15th week. But it’s sure different before and after the moment of conception.

I think about this exact issue a lot, and i’d be genuinely curious to hear your reasoning why you’d pick a point other than conception to call it a person.

Show me where concealed carry or open carry is in the constitution

But this same Court magically found it. And told STATEs you can’t pass a law requiring people justify why they need to carried a concealed weapon .. yep common sense gun laws


Justice Clarence Thomas, says that it is a constitutional right to carry a weapon in public for self-defense purposes.

Ya ok
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Reminder that Thomas Jefferson who helped write the Declaration of Independence also said we should rewrite the constitution every 20 years so that dead people wouldn’t rule over modern society.
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