Originally Posted by hq2 (Post 1062818)

...unless of course, the refs approve it. The point is, the Pats were
responsible for ensuring that the balls were right at game time. They
had AMPLE opportunities to check their standard procedures to make
sure they got it right. If they didn't do it, that's negligence. Right, any
lawyers out there?

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1062788)

Btw, the NFL did not start this witch hunt. They are simply trying to decipher how the balls became under-inflated. They are doing their job.
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1062786)

So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1062793)

Anyone here watch SNL last night.
Doubt the rest of the country sees it different than the fans in NE ???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RGR...21914688#t=119

Originally Posted by hq2 (Post 1062805)

Well, let's get all this straightened out here. We've taken care of the physics; we all agree that about .5 psi would occur due to cold. How about the issue of legal responsibility? As far as I know, the regulations state that the balls are to be at a pressure of 12.5-13.5 psi AT THE TIME OF THE GAME, not two hours
before when the refs check them. That means that, REGARDLESS of whatever the Patriots did with the balls before the game, they are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE
for ensuring that the balls are at the right pressure at the TIME OF THE GAME. This means that is UP TO THE PATRIOTS to check them AT THE TIME OF THE
GAME to make sure they are in compliance. If they are not, then they have to notify the officials and make appropriate re-inflation measures with the officials.

The Patriots have used their procedures for quite a while, and have had ample opportunities to check what they did prior to game time to see what corrections
needed to be made. The fact that 11 out of 12 balls were under-inflated indicates that they DID NOT perform any appropriate checking at game time. Consequently, while they may not have been deliberately deflated, nonetheless the team would still be guilty of negligence, EVEN IF EVERYTHING BELICHICK SAID IS TRUE. Does this make sense, folks?

Originally Posted by Raven (Post 1062837)

when does it become defamation of charater

Originally Posted by Raven (Post 1062837)

when does it become defamation of charater

Originally Posted by iamskippy (Post 1062876)

Its when you are not guilty......
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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1062848)

It makes perfect sense to me but you forget that they are not in possession of the balls before the game and are not allowed to check the air pressure, that is up the the refs. I would say that if there was a sting operation going on, then the NFL should have done that. I suppose at the next game maybe they will recheck them moments before gametime, or maybe they will prepare them long enough beforehand to get them tacky and allow time for equilibrium to take it's course now that they are aware of that. Does that make any sense?

Are the Seahawk players going to have to give blood samples pre-game to make certain they are not on drugs? where is this going to end? never I guess

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1062879)

Pats picked up their biggest juicer. That is why he couldn't play the first 4 games Bruce.
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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1062908)

Monday morning and Deflategate is still the NFL topic of conversation throughout the country The week of the game instead of the game.
Can't be good !
Like I said.
This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1062908)

Monday morning and Deflategate is still the NFL topic of conversation throughout the country The week of the game instead of the game.
Can't be good !
Like I said.
This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1062908)

This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1062918)

I know against Seattle is not going to happen, but boy wouldn't a big blow out win shut everyone up.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1062786)

So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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Originally Posted by Mike P (Post 1062925)

Could it have been the one they took from the back-up supply to replace the one that got picked? Are they required to have 12 balls in the game supply?

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1062916)

So what you are saying is that the Raiders showed the Pats how to cheat? But not how to lose?

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1062934)

I wonder if the locker room attendant acted alone
Hmmm
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Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1062937)

No, it was this crazy situation where the Pats balls deflated due to the temp and the Colts didn't. Likely there was a polar vortex caused by Bellychicks ego or Gisele's thigh gap that caused a lower temperature around the Patriots balls. The attendant is just a scapegoat for mother nature.