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buckman 03-19-2016 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096621)

Where's Hillarys ?
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spence 03-19-2016 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1096624)
Where's Hillarys ?
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Pull down the people list...

scottw 03-19-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096621)

a)...it's politifact so who cares

2)...meh..."they all lie"....right Eben?....maybe this makes him highly qualified for the job based on the standard previously set by Barry and Bubba

either way....don't expect much of a response when you've been defending the Clinton's and O for years...Trump is just trying to catch up to their level of deceit

Nebe 03-19-2016 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1096640)
a)...it's politifact so who cares

2)...meh..."they all lie"....right Eben?....maybe this makes him highly qualified for the job based on the standard previously set by Barry and Bubba

either way....don't expect much of a response when you've been defending the Clinton's and O for years...Trump is just trying to catch up to their level of deceit

Show me some Bernie sanders lies.
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scottw 03-19-2016 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1096643)
Show me some Bernie sanders lies.
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I'm just quoting one of your frequent refrains...are you suggesting Bernie doesn't lie and if he somehow doesn't, is somehow untainted by the dirt of politics ...perhaps he's too honest for the job ?

The Dad Fisherman 03-19-2016 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1096643)
Show me some Bernie sanders lies.
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Maybe this guy would like some clarification on why he doesn't know what it's like to be poor.....

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/w...on-440x332.jpg
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Nebe 03-19-2016 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1096644)
I'm just quoting one of your frequent refrains...are you suggesting Bernie doesn't lie and if he somehow doesn't, is somehow untainted by the dirt of politics ...perhaps he's too honest for the job ?

Show me examples of him flat out saying one thing and doing another in a deceitful way. You can't

As for the ghetto comment I don't agree with what he said but i wouldn't call that a deceitful lie.
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scottw 03-20-2016 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1096654)
Show me examples of him flat out saying one thing and doing another in a deceitful way. You can't

As for the ghetto comment I don't agree with what he said but i wouldn't call that a deceitful lie.
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google Bernie's lies

I wasn't suggesting that Bernie is a liar, I was dismissing Trumps lies using your past relativist rhetoric declaring "they all do it"... so........

Trump is a tremendous learning opportunity for the left :hihi:

Nebe 03-20-2016 06:26 AM

They all may do it but trump takes it to the next level.
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buckman 03-20-2016 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096626)
Pull down the people list...

I need a better site map to find it then what they have . Is it really there or are you pulling a Hillary ?
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Nebe 03-20-2016 07:54 AM

It takes a highly educated liberal mind to operate that website :rotfl:

http://www.politifact.com/personalit...llary-clinton/
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scottw 03-20-2016 08:29 PM

I watched Bernie's rally speech in Arizona a little earlier...the guy is a friggin' lunatic...the crowd did get the most animated when he got to the part about pot....which I guess explains the fascination....lot's of democrats getting arrested this weekend :rotflmao:

PaulS 03-21-2016 07:04 AM

Actually it seems like it is all the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people. Another one Sat. night.

Good thing they aren't arresting people for spitting on other people. The jails would be full.

scottw 03-21-2016 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1096734)

Another "one" Sat. night.


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fixed it for you....and he, by the way was a "black" Trump supporter who apparently doesn't exist, and he punched a white Trump protester dressed as a KKK member who was acting like an idiot.....you'd think in lib land that would be perfectly justified....

I guess you missed all of the blocked traffic, protesters chained to their vehicle's and other's jumping on and damaging other people's property, arrests and general mayhem....

PaulS 03-21-2016 07:42 AM

Tough guys spitting on people being led away. Even Trump's campaign manager can't control his temper.

Trump even called the sucker puncher "wonderful".

Jim in CT 03-21-2016 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1096652)
Maybe this guy would like some clarification on why he doesn't know what it's like to be poor.....

Exactly. His speech about whites not knowing what it's like to live in ghettos, managed to tick off the whites and the blacks. This is what you get from a close-minded liberal from VT, where there aren't any blacks.

I don't think Bernie's as big a liar as some others, but he's more wrong than maybe anyone who has run since Al Sharpton.

You cannot say that since socialism does OK in Scandanavia, it will work OK here. Those countries are tiny, and overwhelmingly white. You can't compare stanradr-of-living ratios of Switzeland, to that of America. If you want, you can compare the Swiss results to the parts of America that look like Switzerland (Greenwich CT comes to mind), and in that case, the US would compare quite well. Move Mexico to the southern border of any Scandanavian country, make it an open border, and see what that socialist paradise looks like in 20 years.

Bernie doesn't buy into that. He thinks that what works in Norway, will work similarly here. That doesn't make him a liar Nebe (becaause I think he sincerely believes that), but it makes him dangerously unqualified for the job he seeks.

Jim in CT 03-21-2016 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1096734)
Actually it seems like it is all the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people. Another one Sat. night.

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In which the actions of "one" necessarily speak for "all".

There's so much legitimate criticism to heap on this guy, for one thing, he's not denouncing the violence. One person doesn't speak for the tens of millions who support him.

Jim in CT 03-21-2016 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1096739)

Trump even called the sucker puncher "wonderful".

And if that's true, THAT'S why he isn't qualified for this job.

PaulS 03-21-2016 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096755)
In which the actions of "one" necessarily speak for "all".

There's so much legitimate criticism to heap on this guy, for one thing, he's not denouncing the violence. One person doesn't speak for the tens of millions who support him.

But isn't that what you do constantly - find something that you don't like and apply it to all? But generally, I agree with that statement and should have written "Actually it seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people."

Jim in CT 03-21-2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1096760)
But isn't that what you do constantly - find something that you don't like and apply it to all? But generally, I agree with that statement and should have written "Actually it seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people."

"But isn't that what you do constantly "

No.

"find something that you don't like and apply it to all?"

We've done this dance a few times. Yes, I make generalizations. For example, I might say that librals riot when they don't get their way. Now, I know that not every single liberal in the nation condones this. But the majority of people doing the rioting are obviously liberal, so i take the liberty of saying that "liberals riot when they don't get their way." It's a genaralization, but it's a much more valid generalization (in my opinion, naturally) than saying that "all" Trump supporters are in favor of punching those with whom they disagree, when you are generalizing about, what, 10 people out of millions?

"seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people"

I have no problem with that statement. I don't see Hilary or Bernie supporters getting violent at those rallies, but that may be because conservatives aren't protesting like wild animals at those rallies, preventing Hilary or Bernie from speaking, are we?

Who is getting arrested for killing everybody in Chicago? Is that a bigger issue, or a smaller issue, than what 10 drunk morons do at Trump rallies?

And again, how many people are in the ground because of Trump-inspired violence? Zilch. Ho wmany are in the ground because of Sharpton - 6, 7, 8? And liberals are so upset with Sharpton for what he did, they gave him a show on MSNBC (which might actually be fitting punishment and humiliation for him, but that's not why the liberals did it).

PaulS 03-21-2016 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096771)
"But isn't that what you do constantly "

No.

"find something that you don't like and apply it to all?"

We've done this dance a few times. Yes, I make generalizations. For example, I might say that librals riot when they don't get their way. Now, I know that not every single liberal in the nation condones this. But the majority of people doing the rioting are obviously liberal, so i take the liberty of saying that "liberals riot when they don't get their way." It's a genaralization, but it's a much more valid generalization (in my opinion, naturally) than saying that "all" Trump supporters are in favor of punching those with whom they disagree, when you are generalizing about, what, 10 people out of millions?So then since I know that not every single conservative in the nation condones it but the majority of people doing the spitting and the sucker punching are obviously conservative should I take the liberty and generalize by saying "conservatives spit on people and sucker punch people when they don't like what those people say"? You're an actuary - both samples are too small to make that generalization. In addition, you generalize and make the obviously wrong assumption that the ones doing the protesting (and yes acting like idiots) are representative of all liberals instead of saying they are a much, much younger aged subset.

"seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people"

I have no problem with that statement. I don't see Hilary or Bernie supporters getting violent at those rallies, but that may be because conservatives aren't protesting like wild animals at those rallies, preventing Hilary or Bernie from speaking, are we?I don't think the ones inside the arena's are acting like animals - maybe the idiots outside are.

Who is getting arrested for killing everybody in Chicago? Criminals areIs that a bigger issue, or a smaller issue, than what 10 drunk morons do at Trump rallies?

nm

Jim in CT 03-21-2016 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1096773)
nm

"should I take the liberty and generalize by saying "conservatives spit on people and sucker punch people when they don't like what those people say"?

No, if you say mean 'most' but say 'all', I have no issue. But what you said here (maybe I mis-read) is that 'all Trump suporters are doing this', when it's literally something like once for each million supporters. If I say "unions vote for democrats", I think I'm a bit closer to being accurate, then you are if you say 'Trump supporters are punching everyone out'.

"both samples are too small to make that generalization"

Not sure. In the case of rioters, just about 100% of them are liberal. I keep asking for examples of conservatives rioting to prevent liberal politicians from speaking, and no one responded, so I assume there are none. But 99.9% of Trump supporters haven't done anything wrong (maybe supporting him is bad enough, I could be convinced of that).

"you generalize and make the obviously wrong assumption that the ones doing the protesting (and yes acting like idiots) are representative of all liberals "

I hear lots of conservatives (LOTS) condemn Trump and the violence at his rallies. I haven't heard a single liberal tell the rioters to knock it off because Trump has the right to free speech. I see th erioters being treated like modern-day Rosa Parks. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Raven 03-21-2016 03:22 PM

i think we should riot

spence 03-21-2016 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096790)
Not sure. In the case of rioters, just about 100% of them are liberal. I keep asking for examples of conservatives rioting to prevent liberal politicians from speaking, and no one responded, so I assume there are none. But 99.9% of Trump supporters haven't done anything wrong (maybe supporting him is bad enough, I could be convinced of that).

I think you're asking the wrong question. Is the profile of someone who's more likely to riot about political belief or about disenfranchisement and inequality?

buckman 03-21-2016 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096794)
I think you're asking the wrong question. Is the profile of someone who's more likely to riot about political belief or about disenfranchisement and inequality?

Did you see the signs that the protesters in New York were carrying ? Or see the video of the transvestite punching the policeman's horse in the face ?
Curious if these are the type of people that you would let babysit your children because you certainly spend a lot of your time defending them
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scottw 03-21-2016 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096794)
I think you're asking the wrong question. Is the profile of someone who's more likely to riot about political belief or about disenfranchisement and inequality?

what we know from democrats is that mentioning the word riot(if you are a republican) is very bad....but actually rioting(if you are a democrat) is not such a big deal :rollem:

Jim in CT 03-21-2016 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096794)
I think you're asking the wrong question. Is the profile of someone who's more likely to riot about political belief or about disenfranchisement and inequality?

Yes Spence. The kids at Yale who protested about giving someone else the right to free speech, are disenfranchised and are the victims of inequality. Many of the riots re on college campuses.

Good God man, not your finest speculation.

Jim in CT 03-21-2016 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1096798)
what we know from democrats is that mentioning the word riot(if you are a republican) is very bad....but actually rioting(if you are a democrat) is not such a big deal :rollem:

Correct. If it was about disenfranchisement, believe me, it would be the white, heterosexual males who would be rioting, after 7 years of Weird Harold blaming us for everything.

Jim in CT 03-21-2016 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1096798)
what we know from democrats is that mentioning the word riot(if you are a republican) is very bad....but actually rioting(if you are a democrat) is not such a big deal :rollem:

Correct. If it was about disenfranchisement, believe me, it would be the white, heterosexual males who would be rioting, after 7 years of Weird Harold blaming us for everything.

spence 03-21-2016 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096800)
Yes Spence. The kids at Yale who protested about giving someone else the right to free speech, are disenfranchised and are the victims of inequality. Many of the riots re on college campuses.

Yes, because some in their formative years are frustrated with what they see as societal disenfranchisement and inequality.

buckman 03-21-2016 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096808)
Yes, because some in their formative years are frustrated with what they see as societal disenfranchisement and inequality.

Wait ...what ???
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Jim in CT 03-21-2016 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1096816)
Wait ...what ???
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I think it goes something like this...I am putting on my Spence cap here, so bear with me...

These trust fund babies at Yale are upset about the plight of the poor blacks that they read about when they were at Phillips Exeter Academy (not so frustrated that they are willing to give up their trust funds, naturally). Because they are outraged by this, they go berserk when Ann Coulter wants to give a speech or when a sports team is named after Native Americans or when the value of their trust fund increases with the stock market. And what better way to help eliminate the plight of poor blacks, than by throwing a rock at a random cop, or disrupting a Trump rally.

Liberals who are so outraged at the plight of the poor that they are pushed to the point of throwing rocks at police, are naturally morally superior to conservatives who merely want to adapt economic polices that will help blacks escape poverty.

That was my short trip into the Twilight Zone.

scottw 03-21-2016 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1096773)

"seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people"

https://youtu.be/3Lgeuqv35OM

Slipknot 03-22-2016 07:45 AM

Great video
Great points made
I hope the media does show all the stuff he mentioned, but apparently it does not fit their sgenda much like you don't see anything of the 4 illegals beating and raping in Framingham last week.

My thoughts on the protesting are if they are this bad now, I can't imagine what it will be like when he is President for the next 4 years.
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Nebe 03-22-2016 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1096847)

My thoughts on the protesting are if they are this bad now, I can't imagine what it will be like when he is President for the next 4 years.
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Not when. IF.
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The Dad Fisherman 03-22-2016 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1096816)
Wait ...what ???
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Hey, you need to check your "Privilege"!!
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buckman 03-22-2016 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1096860)
Hey, you need to check your "Privilege"!!
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After my 10 hr day, I will get right on that . I need to work on my compassion
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buckman 03-24-2016 01:35 PM

Maybe we need to back off on this Trump phenomenon before someone gets really hurt ..

Emory University offers 'emergency counseling' to students after they were 'traumatized' when someone wrote "Trump 2016" in chalk around campus...
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Jim in CT 03-24-2016 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1097119)
Maybe we need to back off on this Trump phenomenon before someone gets really hurt ..

Emory University offers 'emergency counseling' to students after they were 'traumatized' when someone wrote "Trump 2016" in chalk around campus...
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I saw at! Amazing. You see a message that says "Trump 2016", and that causes you to need emergency counseling. Have fun in the real world, cupcake!

Nebe 03-24-2016 03:48 PM

Lol
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