Don’t argue common sense from real life experience Wayne, once Jim gets his needle stuck there is no going back.

except i’ve changed my mind all the time. other than that, good point.

GS, you’re desperately trying to make me out to be a thoughtless partisan hack. i have shown i think for myself. it’s your side who are one identical monolithic group.
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please explain what biden meant, when back in july, he said “it’s not going well.”
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then for the 51st time, please tell us which big issues, you think liberals are 100% wrong on. if there are t any, that means you’re the exact mirror image of sean hannity, which is obviously exactly what you are.

make me wrong. tell me which issues you agree with conservatives in. tell us which right wing presidents you voted for ( i voted for bill clinton twice, and to this day i think he was a pretty good potus).

All you have to do, is pick one major issue.
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This war cost US $2 trillion and according to cost of war project at Brown university, the cost of interest on Afghan war debt will go up to $6.5 trillion by 2050.
In conclusion: a country got destroyed, people died, central bank and military -industrial complex made trillions.
Some people mad that it’s over, wonder why?
They would gladly have killed another 2500 of our troops for a few billion in profits, Tweety was actually sort of honest about that with his Saudi deal, never mind that the only people involved in 9/11 were Saudis
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i’m not curling up in a ball either. but you’re ignoring the fact that biden admitted that it wasn’t going well, back in july.

i’m part of the right and i wasn’t praying for anything bad. you’re making stupid stereotypes and assumptions. the right is using this for sure, as i said, exactly as the left uses it when a white cop shoots a block person. tell me the left doesn’t use those instances for political gain?

that the right is using it, doesn’t mean biden doesn’t deserve some of the criticism. his approval ratings are in the toilet among independents right now. why is that? most of them dont watch fox news, so they are reaching their conclusions on their own.
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Molton did 4 tours to the middle
east with the Marines. so would
you care to reconsider?

You care about what everyone thinks who agrees with you, and dismiss and insult everyone who disagrees with you. you insult them, because you can’t make them
wrong.
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I read 14,237 MAGA posts about the 13 US service members killed in Afghanistan. Not one about the 5 Navy sailors who died yesterday. It’s a shame some people feel the need to use some of these tragic deaths for political purposes, while ignoring others.
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:screwy::rotflmao:

Irony is deader than a right wing talk radio host.
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Well personally getting stuck in the conservative playbook in today’s US ever changing mixed ethnicity, the yearly onslaught of global viruses, the global issues of climate change and the lessons learned by our attempts to insert our Democratic ways globally, means they are just not thinking down the road at all. The irony is look at how many of these Trump and the current Republican leaders don’t adhere to.

An aversion to rapid change; a belief that tradition and prevailing social norms often contain within them handed-down wisdom; and mistrust of attempts to remake society so that it conforms to an abstract account of what would be just or efficient.

A desire to preserve the political philosophy and rules of government articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, through cultural norms.

A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, using cultural norms and the power of the state.

An embrace of free-market capitalism, and a belief in the legitimacy of market outcomes.

A belief that America is an exceptional nation, a shining city on a hill, whose rightful role is leader of the free world.

A belief that America should export its brand of democracy through force of arms.

The conviction that government should undertake, on behalf of the American polity, grand projects that advance our “national greatness” and ennoble our characters.

An embrace of localism, community and family ties, human scale, and a responsibility to the future.

A belief that America shouldn’t intervene in the affairs of other nations except to defend ourselves from aggression and enforce contracts and treaties.

A desire to return to the way things once were.

Affinity for, identification with, or embrace of Red America’s various cultural cues. (For example, gun ownership, a preference for single-family homes oriented around highways rather than urban enclaves organized around public transit, embrace of country music, disdain for arugula and fancy mustard, etc.)

Disdain for American liberalism, multiculturalism, identity politics, affirmative action, welfare, European-style social policies, and the left and its ideas generally.

A desire to be left alone by government, often coupled with a belief that being left alone is a natural right.

A principled belief in federalism.

The belief that taxes should be lower and government smaller.

The belief that the national debt and deficits put America in peril.

The belief that whenever possible, government budgets should be balanced.

Consciousness of the fallibility of man, and an awareness of the values of skepticism, doubt, and humility.

Realism in foreign policy.

Non-interventionism in foreign policy.

Yes Jim , and if molten was on that air field he would have done what the commanders did . Carried out the mission .. he wasn’t but he didn’t blame Biden did for the death of those marines and no one is claiming it went according to plan. The plan changed … anything thing Else is Monday morning quarterbacking. Even if he did 4 tours no as a general
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^^ wow...did you come up with all of that out of your very own little brain?

that's interesting....I know it only matters when liberals get a bunch of experts and formers to demand stuff..but just for the record

Jim Biden is getting a ton of criticism from many different people CNN is all over him as are fox and Newmax

But the latter networks are parading these dead marines around hero’s and martyrs calling Biden a murder

Tammy Bruce exposes Biden presidency failures: His lies ‘get people murdered’ wanting to dismantle capitalism, demonizing our police, indoctrinating school children – it's all the fruit of the same poisonous leftist tree.

These are the type of Republicans or the right that I am referring to taking what happened in Afghanistan and just spewing this nonsense as if we never had a Republican POTUS

Even Graham has jumped on the we’re going back to Afghanistan to fight the califate Aka evil Islam.. why because it works on their scared voters who are convinced they are threatened by black brown liberals Muslim legal illegals immigrants.. forgot now election are rigged against them.. the old Republicans are dead or called Rinos

Where do you fall?

Ps a cop killing an unarmed black or minority is not the same as people being killed by an suicide bomber

Like antifa and BLM protest and riots are not the same as Jan 6th
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pretty sure this has never happened...ever....definitely not! :laugha:

what is the difference between trying to burn down a federal courthouse with police and federal officers inside and... trespassing in the Capitol?

just curious?

Funny I saw that posted by conservatives all ready go figure ,

Do you have a point? Or now are conservatives believing generals only when they agree with them Out of those Generals how many were in Afghanistan in the 20 years and what roll did they play creating the mess call Afghanistan

Took all of 1 google search to find similar open letters

More than 200 retired generals, admirals endorse Biden, including some who served under Trump

Dozens of Retired Generals, Admirals Sign Letter Backing Trump for Reelection
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if you read what I wrote I'm pretty sure I covered everything and I'm not surprised you and pete are closely monitoring conservative chatter on the internets....

keep up the good work! maybe you and pete could combine bunkers and be more effective as a team?

It seems a Pete and I actually do some research on what’s being said to people on these none traditional news outlets it tends to be very eye opening, at what lengths these Republicans elected officials will lie and instigate their base to keep them well feed in their daily outrage


From today’s headline

400-Person Migrant Caravan Gathers in Mexico for Trek to US

1st comment Biden refuses to protect the American people from hordes of illegal immigrants. Biden is a traitor
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If thats needs to be explained to you . clearly you support the attempt to over turn the election and support such seditious behavior.. did I miss anything?
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explain to me exactly how this was going to occur....

there was no plot or thought to overturn the election, they were a bunch of anarchist cry babies who didn’t get the result they wanted, so they rioted. surprised you don’t recognize ice that tactic, it’s what your side does regularly, his might have been the first time in my lifetime tnat it was fine by republicans.

it was a riot, a pretty low-key riot compared to what lefties did all summer, in terms of carnage and property damage. lefties actually managed to secede from the nation for a short while, creating the short lived nation of Chaz.

i’m old enough to remember when liberals stormed the state capital
in Wisconsin because they didn’t like that scott walker was going to take political power away from labor unions. january 6 was a lot like that.

also, the one casualty that day was a woman shot to death who was completely unarmed, 5’2” tall, got no warning, shot to death for the crime of trespassing. and no one cares, because she was white, conservative, not a violent felon scumbag. if she was a non white violent felon scumbag, the left would
make her a martyr. because whe was white and conservative, the left says she got exactly what was coming to her. But Michael Brown was an innocent victim, <sniff> I’m tearing up at the thought.
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CNN said so, it must therefore be true.
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that’s so stupid and fu—ed up, it’s hard to know where to begin.

you don’t think america is exceptional? we don’t stand out i. terms of what we’ve done for the world? can you tell me which country has done more?

i don’t want to adhere to moral
customs “because they’re in the bible.”. i want to adhere to moral
customs which have proven to work, and to avoid moral customs which have proven to be a disaster.

you’re saying it’s flawed to want to abide by the constitution? so any president should
be able to do whatever he wants?

still trying to figure out if you think trump and his fans are war mongers. trump is the opposite.

if you can point me to data which suggests that anything on than the nuclear family is far better for children, and that fatherless homes are a disaster for young children especially boys, all ears.

I’m conservative precisely because i respond to empirical
results. advocate for what has been shown to work, i advocate against that which has been shown to be a catastrophe.


why are americans fleeing blue states and moving to red states?
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Like I’ve said 50 times, I don’t side with many far left positions, totally open borders, unrestricted access to abortion etc…

Voted for Bush 41 and would have likely voted for McCain had he not went off the deep end mid-campaign. The way the GOP is heading though I don’t foresee it happening anytime soon…Maybe of Romney was the nominee.

so you claim not to be liberal, but can’t name one single issue on which you’re not liberal. so what’s the difference between you and a liberal?

“I’m not liberal, i just happen to think they are correct on every single
issue.”

The way the gop is heading, right, right. imagine thinking that the nation might be well off if we acted a bit more like FL ( where people
and businesses are moving in huge numbers) and a bit less like CT, where people
and businesses are leaving in drives.

Why are people and businesses leaving blue states and going to red states.
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You’re obsessed with labels.

A huge reason for the population shift is simply an surge of retirees looking for sunshine.

could care less about labels. i just want to clarify which one of us had the ability to think for themselves, and which one is enslaved to one ideology, with which he is incapable of differing?

I differ with traditional conservative ideology on gay marriage, the death penalty, gun control.

Go ahead. Your turn. I had no trouble stating issues where i lean left. So unless you’re not only a liberal but a devout liberal, there must be some cornerstone liberal issues on which you side with conservatives?

You won’t name one, because there isn’t one. you agree with the left on every single major issue, and no one on this planet thinks you considered John McCain over Barack Obama.
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right, right!!!! So why arent they moving to southern California? Please, please explain?
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Peace through strength comes to mind but even that has limits.

As for McCain, I know I posted about my early support for him here at least once.

I do.
But I was fishing with and chatting with Jeff a bunch back then. Block Island Jeff is more complicated than you think, especially since he was raised as a corn fed Iowa kid....

(Oh, and to play your game, I think the left is wrong on the death penalty, especially for first degree cases cases with DNA evidence/cop killed/kid killed, among other things)

ok, so by your own admission, and to the surprise of exactly no one, you conceded that there is t a meaningful issue in which you disagree with liberals. In terms of the issues, you are identical
to a pure liberal.

i know plenty of people who are 100% pure on one side or the other. But you should probably stop criticizing people
who you think are nothing but regurgitators of right wing talking points. because you’re the exact, precise mirror image.
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i wasn’t talking to you, i have said on multiple occasions you are thoughtful and sharp. i specified spence, pete, wdmso. fair enough? I named specific names, and there’s. reason you weren’t on it.

if i can predict exactly what spence is going to say on every single issue before he chimes in, he’s not complicated. I don’t doubt he’s a really good person, i’m confident he’d never mistreat anyone. but politically, he’s as complicated as a parrot.

And i didn’t start this game. the lefties, when presented with valid arguments that they couldnt refute, fall back on the position that were all just regurgitating faux news talking points. an ironic accusation from a group ( that you’re not in) who doesn’t have an original thought among them.


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Logic to a guy with his needle stuck will just fuel his fire.
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when liberals lob baseless insults, it means i’ve won.
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it’s “logical” to deny we bungled the last few days in afghanistan. it’s “logical” to deny that people
and companies are moving away from blue states and to red states, for reasons other than weather. it’s logical to claim that men are women, and it’s logical to deny that fatherless is the worst problem facing blacks, it’s logical
to say police are what’s wrong with our cities, logical for bankrupt states to raise taxes and spend more.

i’m not saying conservatives aren’t illogical at times. but jeez….
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Different reasons. Taxes are one of them but remember Florida generates a huge amount of revenue from sales and excise taxes which are fueled by its main industry, tourism. This allows the state to avoid income tax. in terms of general affordability Florida is actually a pretty expensive state to live in.

Once again, you’re oversimplifying issues.

TN also generates its state revenue from a hefty sales tax. And it’s a state that huge numbers of people
are flocking to. people
like that idea.

“FL is actually a pretty expensive state to live in.”

right, which is why no retirees move there.

i’m not simplifying anything. you’re deflecting and dodging everything that paints conservatism in a favorable light. NC and TX have more than tourism, but they are well run red states that can’t build
houses fast enough.

If CTs economy was thriving and people and businesses were flocking here, i’d concede that liberalism was onto something. but the states that are a mess are disproportionately blue, and the states that are booming are disproportionately red. I’m curious to know what the reason is, to see what we can learn from it. You are scared sh-tess to know what the reason is. because you can’t process it accept that which doesn’t support liberalism. I’ll happily go where the empirical data leads me. You deny everything which doesn’t paint liberalism favorably.

TN and NH don’t have disneyworld, yet they also avoid an income tax. you don’t need tourism to avoid an income tax. you need the willingness to say “ no” when public labor unions ask for unreasonable money. that’s all.
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No it just means we like to wind you up and watch you spin.