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Great way to look at things.

I can't imagine what it's like to go through life with such a negative attitude that you have to doubt others and diminish their accomplishments. People who do that must be real fun to be around.:smash:

Reasonable doubt - that is what I have. I've yet to see a reason to completely prove it true, so until then I don't believe it given all the things that have happened on this one. More facts pointing toward its false than true.

The IGFA process isn't fact if they don't examine the fish. Its based on someone's claim and it may be true, may not be true. I put my 2 cents in on this one and have nothing more to add. I will not believe it until it goes through the gutting!

For better or worse gutting isn't part of the process for IGFA or OTW striper cup fish.Although I have been told OTW,like Rizzo,wanted to change the rules midstream. If you have ever seen the IGFA record book then you know they take things seriously. There are numerous line class records for every species. The IGFA is in possession of the leader allegedly used to catch this whopper and the decision will not come in haste. For guys like Rizzo there will never be the proof he hopes for. I would hope that any record,be it all tackle or line class would be submitted with honesty. Beyond that anything negative seems like sour grapes.There are enough cynics in the world to poison the well;they make the impression of a turd in the punch bowl.When you question a mans word it cant be taken lightly.

what reasons have you seen that prove it to be false?

Don't take this the wrong way....But If I was the Angler, or IGFA for that matter.....I really wouldn't give a rats ass what somebody, who I've never met or is out on the internet, cares about the validity of the fish.

Would not lose one minutes sleep over it....:huh:

I would know....and thats good enough for me....

Yeah TDF, what would you do with sposorships and appearance fees,speaking engagements,etc. that go with IGFA validity?He should have put it back I guess.Skip the potential new boat and stay locked on S-B with all of your internet buddies debating how a flag should be displayed.Anonymity is good.

He caught a 61 in June, and then wieghed in a 61 a few days ago, on Aug 12.

I hope hes at striperfest so i can buy him a beer. :buds::tm:

Chris, any idea what difference the leader material will make???? Its gonna be an all tackle record once approved so I dont think it will matter. Its like the OTW Writer took a scale, well that will show the age of the fish, maybe 24 years or so, but in no way that determines the wieght. We all know that the wieght of any fish of the same length can vary greatly. The length to fork, length to tail and girth measurements they will use and am sure to a certain tolerance they will determine if there is anything way off. I am sure with all the controversey they will give a polygraph and if should pass will certify the fish. GM made a bold predictment on his facebook page a few months ago that the world record bass would fall this summer, boy was he right! (The Entire FB Page has been recently removed). I have seen and heard some very valid points made by some experienced anglers regarding this fish and previous fish, and I really dont think there is anything wrong with being a skeptic if there are discrepencies that raise questions. I know you may think otherwise but I did not make a single complaint to OTW prior to this WR Fish, I know there were quite a few complaints by others.

I ask some on the board, out of curiosity, Just by the natural scale of things, how many 40's do you have to catch before you catch a 50? Then how many 50's before you catch a 60? OF course anyone can get lucky and catch a wr, its a big ocean, but the probabilites of catching more 60's than 50's or 40's?

And not that it matters, but the fish is definately not at NE Taxedermy.

TDFs comments were aimed at Rizzo who was saying he wont believe it unless its cut open. I believe (and shouldnt speak for him) that DadF is agreeing with you. Its Myerson and the IFGAs thing to work out and they will not be concerned with what some people on the web may say.
Now relax and have a cupcake.

All this talk about reweighing a fish that probably has lost more weight already, question does anyone know if McReynolds had to or did have his fish opened up?

In that case let's throw out the whole IGFA record book, hire some people you do know and start over.... :stir:

WOW....talk about totally mis-understanding what I wrote...unless you just want to argue for some reason. (that is so unlike you :rolleyes:)

My Point was.... If it were me I really wouldn't care that someone, that I don't know or never met, didn't believe me.....what does that matter to me.....I'd go for the record from IGFA and If I know what I did was right.....and they say I did it right....I'm not going to lose any skleep over some anonymous person doubting me.

You don't know me.....and I think you are an ass....do you care.....I'm thinking no.

now if a bunch of my flag-waving internet buddies also think you're an ass....well then that might be different.....then again probably not.

pretty much....although I wasn't really aiming it at Rizzo....I was really just trying to generalize it.

The one thing that is definitely not proving it true is that the fish was not gutted and opened up. I can't understand why everyone is arguing that this isnt a big deal. Its the key to the whole story. I can't be any more clear about it. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Thats mine and I feel very strongly about it.

The certification and recertification of the scale, witnesses, pictures, ect. are all meaningless in that none can prove or verfiy the fish wasn't stuffed. How can you argue that?

Thats the beauty of this whole situation. Too late to prove anything now... unless it was gutted on the spot.

I read on SOL that it had a starfish in its gut

No, but its ifga's process and ifga's record. You have problem with their process. I can understsnd that but all their records have been consistently verified and on your view, all flawed
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When is enough enough?

Please leave some for future generations Mr. Heman Fishkiller.

:-((
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Als fish was on display all day at a tackle shop for all to see, I Have a very good friend that saw the fish. The fish was cut and inspected but that is because berkely or some other manufacturer required that for $$$.

Here are a few photo's of the fish, You may have already seen them

Exclusive Photos: New Pending World Record Striped Bass! | Field & Stream

Yeah - nothing against IGFA, they're recognized as the record authority, have a lot of experience handling situations like these. Thats just a flaw I see, especially when you're talking heaviest fish on record. The bigger tourneys that have to deal with big $$$ your subject to a lie detector test. I guess that if someone even provided a fish that hasn't been tampered with, its supposed to determine if you netted the fish or caught it before the tourney started. But lie detectors arent perfect...

I'd like to see the gutting be added to catches like this - but its not easy to make this change happen. I know many guys on this board are fine with the credibility of the catch, but i know just as many who do not believe it. It would really help someone gain credibility in this case.

As far as IGFA line class records go, thats a different discussion... :conf:

Actually, it was x-rayed so that Al could collect prize money from Ande... acording to our wise silverback Mike P...

Uh, no, I corrected the guy who said it was Ande. It was actually the old Garcia company, the one from Fairfield, NJ that imported Mitchell reels. ;) He's the one who started the X-ray argument. He implied that Al's fish had to be X-rayed to be accepted as the record--when I pressed him on it, he said it was to collect the reward.

If Ande offered rewards for world records caught on Ande line, we'd have all been fishing Stren--Ande would have gone bankrupt.

hahaha.. well there you go then. :)

Proof that people usually will resort to name calling when their debate has no merit.Well done wordsmith!

I wish you 2 would kiss and make up

I take your word for it , but you certainly did stir the pot :stir:
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...iped-bass.html

I also do see your point but it seems to come from your perspective. ya have to weigh everything, not just the negatives.

this thread = :deadhorse:

Dangles- Please elaborate on how OTW 'maligned' Myerson.
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everyone should look at that link... :rtfm:

It was on his Word-a-Day calendar......

Did I miss something.....what were we debating?

I thought a debate was when two people take opposing sides of an argument.:huh:

I was on the same side as you.......but in the Magic mind of Dangles you just saw it as another opportunity to start some Internet Chit......You are a piece of work sometimes....you really are.

I guess that since the usual cast of characters that you like to "Internet Box" with aren't arguing with you these days...its my turn.

Hey, Guess what...just proves my point...

I don't Know You, Never met you.....and I really don't give a rats ass what you think.....I won't lose any sleep over it

Ironic......

I'll pay for the room if you take the bottom sweetie.

Whats up with the DRAMA
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No Thanx....I try and avoid Crazy Chicks at all costs...they are usually needy and nothing but trouble.

I'm thinking you got a little "Snookie" in you....

Then stop leading with your chin, you never know what might get on it.
But you would probably enjoy that.

Gave up Baby food a long time ago....

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