What’s stupid is you think cherry picking a couple of those that are more American in value and ignoring so much of the rest, which in this world in which we live is antiquated and basically head in the sand thinking. We could start an entire thread discussing that list and I’d have some fun with that one. Live in the past if you like, the future is slapping the world in the face and we all better wake to fu*k up.

yeah you have me in knots all right.

Meanwhile president Biden’s approval ratings keep dropping, and people are continuing to flee blue states for red states. but i do t have a logical case to make that he bungled Afghanistan, nor can i make a case that people are making a statement when they move across the country in huge numbers.
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is the nuclear family an antiquated and head in the sand notion? or is it something that irrefutably adds so
much value and stability, that we should encourage it?

i don’t advocate for things just because they’re new and weird. If they show to be an improvement, that i’ll shout for it at the top of my lungs.

I go where the facts and results take me GS, not where Tachael Maddow tells
me to go.

Are the places that have really embraces this “progress”, out performing places that cling to traditional values? are people
moving from TX and SC to San Francisco and Manhattan? No.

Why aren’t they?
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Like I said cherry pick what most Americans “try” to hold together like family you won’t find an argument from me, I will however argue that a lot of those old conservative valves are antiquated, spin away.

ok, seems like you’re saying family is good. so why do liberals say that the police, not fatherlessness, s what’s wrong with our cities.

just because a value or tradition is old,,doesn’t mean it’s inferior to what’s new. That doesn’t mean im opposed to change, but “change” isn’t always “improvement”. im easier than most to persuade if you have facts, empirical
results, and. imminent sense i. your side.

I see the clear exodus from blue states to red states, that tells me that much of america does t agree with guy. there’s a reason why people are moving to FL and TX and not to CA.

for the second time ( sorry if you answered this) can you point me to a place that’s really embracing today’progressive liberalism, which is thriving in a way that can be replicated on a large scale? because i can’t think of one. the ones i can think of, are disgusting, failing crapholes that people
can’t flee fast enough. but i can name several conservative places that are booming in a way that could be replicated.
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you can lob baseless insults at conservative values. but the bluest states are failing ( rising crime, impossible unfunded debt, shrinking populations) and people
are moving to red states. that tells
me something. you don’t like what it says, so you ignore it.

and you seem to take a lot of joy in bashing religion. yet people
who identify as religious constantly claim to be happier and lead richer lives, than secular folks.

When everything points to blue states as thriving and red states as failing, I swear I’ll join your side. but the facts don’t support it. not even close.
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Your clueless
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fine, then tell me what their plan was.
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You took all that effort . then brought up Babbitt you are a tool of the right . don’t try to suggest otherwise
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Jim like Scott support seditious behavior . But the try to hide it in gymnastics linguists . As intellectual cover !as if everyone is to stupid to. Know what’s going on
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Omg do you believe what you posted
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He is completely delusional.

He is stuck spinning out of control.

Don’t worry — the first 40 years of childhood are always the hardest.
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vague insults, no substance.

would you mind telling me what i said, which was way off base please?
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from the guy who isn’t a liberal, yet agrees with liberalism 100 % of the time.
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Almost 25% of daily US COVID deaths are in Florida. This wave is striking because it is pretty hard to go above pre-vaccination waves. It's almost double.

Thankfully has not happened in any other state. In fact, very few countries have had this happen either.
Run by a Stable Genius, maybe that’s why they’re using horse wormer
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more baseless insults. and you are dodging my question, which die hard liberal states are thriving in a way that we can, and should in your opinion, expand hpon?

you can’t answer, but won’t concede that not being able to
answer,, kind of means i have a point.

what does it say about the flimsiness of your beliefs, that you are stopped completely in your tracks by such a childlike, simple question.
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The most successful psychological operation (psyops) ever conducted against the entirety of a nation continues amongst the Fox Entertainment viewing audience. Quite amazing. Very costly. Bad for America.
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whatever.

can you tell me what i said, which was way off base? that seems like
an impossible question for you all to answer. gee i wonder why that is?
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Do you honestly believe what you’re fed by the Murdochs?
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for the fourth time, can you please just tell me hat i said, which is way off?
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inception to date, florida’s death rate is in the middle of the pack. which isn’t immediately impressive, until
you consider they have a huge number of seniors, their businesses have been open, their kids have been in schools. And their death rate is lower then NY, NJ, CT.

that’s called “winning.”

when it’s over, if florida’s overall death rate ( which is by far the most important stat) is way above average, i’ll be the first to say Desantis failed and that he should t be potus.

we sure arent there yet, people, including tons of liberals, are moving g there in massive numbers. Can you tell me why? if they just want warmth, why not move to southern CA, which is also warm and has politics they’d like?

none of guys liberal pals will try to answer. will you?
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Jim
Florida is third in COVID deaths per 100K
You could ask yourself if the rest of your statements are based on similar disinformation.
But you won’t
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In 2018, Ron DeSantis won by: 32,000

Currently, Florida's COVID deaths: 46,000

Hmmmm
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as of september 6, 2021, florida’s inception to date death rate is 16h, behind NJ, NY, MA, CT, RI. FL is moving up to be sure. but 16th ain’t third. and look at the states in the top 10…

NY has a higher death rate, yet their governor was labeled the “gold standard” by Biden, and hollywood gave him an emmy. and you’d vote for him in a second, if he ran for potus. and you guys were all weak in the knees telling us how awesome he is.

And again, Florida’s kids didn’t miss 18 months of school. They’ll be writing papers about the impact of 18 lost months of schooling in blue states, for 50 years.

By what standard would
anyone give higher marks to NY, NJ, MA, CT, or RI than FL?

We also know that NY was cooking the books, to fool people
like you into wearing “I love Cuomo” t shirts.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/
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please show us data that shows that Florida’s death rate is third in the US.

I provided a link showing that inception to date ( which is what matters), their death rate is 16th. please share your data with us.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html
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'We are a warning for everyone else': Florida epidemiologists advise other states to learn from DeSantis' COVID bungling
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Ron DeSantis’s poll numbers are now down 14%.

This is what happens when you govern like an authoritarian.
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You do need to remember that this is a world where 74 million people voted to re-elect Donald J Trump. These are the same people that think DeSantis is a good leader.
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Jim I’m worried that with all that spinning you might pass out and hit your head, do you have some nuclear family members around to help? Off to go fishing, maybe you should to.

...so you want him to be less of an authoritarian and impose and mandate things for others that they may not necessarily want to do?

your data is for the last 7 days. mine was from the beginning. is there some reason why last week matters more than the whole history?

Destroyed.
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you keep saying i’m full of this, and spinning that, but i asked four times, and you can’t name a single specific thing i said which was wrong?

but i’m the one being dishonest for political purposes. Gotcha.

GS: Jim you’re engaging in spin.

Jim: what did i sY that was wrong?

GS: i have to go fishing.

cowardly dodge. classic liberal, when the facts are t on your side, lob an insult and run away.

i was fishing with kids all
day yesterday. working today say.


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so desantis’ latest poll matters, but biden’s recent polling doesn’t matter? can you explain that?

as i said, FLs numbers are rising, and if they continue to do so, Desantis deserves to be held accountable, and he deserves to be voted out and to never be potus. so that not fair for me to say?

but what matters is his while record, not cherry picking one week, which is what you did.

i think it’s wrong for him to bash masks the way he does. i don’t like everything about him.
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Just click on all time

TOTAL
CASES PER
100,000 TOTAL
DEATHS PER
100,000 FULLY
VACCINATED
United States 40,081,326 12,080 cases trajectory all time 648,779 196 deaths trajectory all time 53%
North Dakota › 119,724 15,711 cases trajectory all time 1,596 209 deaths trajectory all time 42%
Rhode Island › 163,742 15,457 cases trajectory all time 2,773 262 deaths trajectory all time 65%
Florida › 3,308,916 15,406 cases trajectory all time 46,324 216 deaths trajectory all time 54%

Almost 25% of daily US COVID deaths are in Florida. This wave is striking because it is pretty hard to go above pre-vaccination waves. It's almost double.

Thankfully has not happened in any other state. In fact, very few countries have had this happen either.

And now, the latest Biden report from the Conventional News Network...

It's been a rough summer for the president folks because...

--Job growth slowing slightly (although yes, Biden has created more jobs in his first six months than any president in history)
--COVID spiking (although yes, the admin performed a miracle getting the vaccine out & the GOP has systematically undermine admin efforts to save lives)
--Afghanistan exit chat (although yes, the president ended a futile 20 year war and the administration managed to evacuate 125,000 people so far in one of the biggest humanitarian airlifts every and ending wars is chaotic by nature)
--Infrastructure plans face opposition (although yes, that's the way Congress works, the infrastructure bill represents a bipartisan breakthrough and much of the opposition is posturing)
--Fires, floods and storms! (although yes, Biden has put together an aggressive plan to combat the climate crisis, undone the huge damage done by his predecessor, gotten the US back into the Paris Accords, and made this a priority in the way no prior president has)
--Biden draws on his own personal experience while expressing compassion (although yes, the previous president was a sociopath and the story that being a genuine human made people uncomfortable was a cynical political spin job by the opposition...like much of the above)
Record economic growth, record job creation, record appointments to the court, the most diverse administration in history, massive effort to undo the damage done by predecessors, ushering in a new future oriented foreign policy and ending the disastrous post 9/11 era...
..restoring compassion, competence, a respect for the rule of law and a commitment to governance...although yes, we get it, he's not perfect, not every goal is achieved, sometime his opponents succeed in blocking him, sometimes mistakes are made...
...but he's actually having a great year. But let's be honest, a slight dip in public opinion polls is inevitable when there's so much misinformation and false bothsidesism in media coverage and what's really important--support for his core policies remains high and bi-partisan.
Oh..and one more thing..the opposition does not offer any kind of credible alternative policies, focus on obstruction, remain loyal to the most corrupt, incompetent, malevolent demagogue in US history, are systematically carving away the rights of American women and voters...
...and are conducting an assault on democracy in the United States that may yet succeed. Biden is hugely successful if imperfect and much remains to be done. His opponents represent a threat to everything we have cherished about America's values and our institutions.
But sure...let's go with that old conventional wisdom, that easy if entirely inaccurate set of takes that are so popular these days. Who cares if it makes terrible outcomes in our country's future more likely? Who cares if it is deeply misleading?
(p.s. This is not directed at any one media organization. There are many great journalists at work at almost all of the ones you'd watch or read. If you don't watch Fox or OANN. But among them, there are others who are helping to create the problem flagged here.)

David Rothkopf

i went to your NY times link, looked at deaths all time, FL was 216 per 100k, NY is 278, which is 29% higher. CT is 235 per 100k, MA s 265 per 100k.

According to your link, FL has a better death rate than NY, CT, MA. And florida’s businesses didn’t shut down like we did, Florida’s kids didn’t miss nearly as much school.

That’s called “winning.”

you’re either lying or cherry picking. or maybe too stupid to figure out your own link.

florida’s inception to date death rate, isn’t in the top 10. i know that drives you crazy, but facts don’t care if they make you crazy. they’re still facts.

Desantis is taking big chances in my book. But as of now. he is winning. that may well change, and if it does, i’ll immediately acknowledge he blew it. unlike you, i don’t have a problem criticizing those in my side when they deserve it.

But as of right now, Desantis gets higher marks than Cuomo who was hailed as a hero.

case counts don’t matter. deaths matter. who cares if someone gets covid but has no symptoms?

no sane person would
rather live in a state with lower case coubts, higher death rates, and which is quick to shut down schools
and businesses. not if they could choose a state with higher cases, lower death rates, where businesses are open and kids are learning.

You. Lose.




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