the GA secretary of state said trump had zero reason to claim he was robbed. The same secretary of state, said the same
exact thing about abrams.

you cling to everything which helps
liberals, and deny everything which doesn’t.
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I didn't excuse anything. What did I say that is not true?

And what do you mean by "far right"? What do you mean by "right"? What would you consider "not-so-far right"? What would you consider smack-dab-in the middle right? What would you consider "way-way-way far right"? What would you consider "so-way-way-way-far out right" that it is no longer distinguishable in meaningful substance from "so-way-way-way-far out left?

And what do you consider yourself to be in that directional spectrum of good and bad or right and wrong? And are you that because you think that's the good or best spot to be? And do you affix "far" in front of a spot on the spectrum simply to denote a position, or to disapprove of a position? And if "far" indicates that you disapprove, who the hell are you to determine what is bad simply by saying it's too "far right"?

Do you have any clue as to what problems the people of Hungary are having in terms of preserving what they think is "Hungarian"? Do you believe they should drop all that ethnic foolishness and just be "European"? Do you believe that the nations of the European Union should dissolve their nominal identification and delineated borders and simply refer to themselves as European? Do you believe, for their own good and the good of "the world," they should become a State named Europe rather than being a European Union?

Do you believe we should become the United State rather than being the United States?

analysis of 2022 secretary of state races across the country found at least 15 Republican candidates running who question the legitimacy of President Biden's 2020 win, even though no evidence of widespread fraud has been uncovered about the race over the last 14 months. In fact, claims of any sort of fraud that swung the election have been explicitly refuted in state after state, including those run by Republicans.

i know nothing to see:jump:

i agree with you, it’s bad to make fake claims of election fraud. but you could care less when democrats tried to undermine the 2016 election, you could care less that Abrams claims hers was stolen. it’s only bad when republicans do it.
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Again thank for you false equivalence

Seeing Trump bailed on his Jan 6th event no worries for our resident jan6 th minimizers. They Can tune in to

Newsmax to Air 'Day of Outrage' for Jan. 6 Anniversary. Day of Outrage” was produced by Newsmax to accurately and fairly detail the events related to the Capitol siege of Jan. 6.

With the following guests

The program includes exclusive interviews with Greg Kelly, who is the host of "Greg Kelly Reports"; Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald Trump; Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.; Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; retired Marine Gunnery Sgt. Jessie Jane Duff; Senior Analyst for Strategy at the Center for Security Policy J. Michael Waller; Ashli Babbitt’s mom Micki Witthoeft; Babbitt’s husband, Aaron; Jan. 6 detainee Kenneth Harrelson’s wife, Angel; former detainee Chris Worrell’s fiancée, Trish Priller; and business owner Roberto Minuta.

I am sure these speakers will fill you ears with a recurring theme you all ready believe. … Nothing happened. What you saw was a peaceful protest being twisted by liberals to discredit Republicans and peaceful protesters

And presented no threat to American Democracy then or in the future


But this guest is my favorite. Ashli Babbitt’s mom. She’s upset that Pelosi, Feinstein won’t speak to her about her daughter death but Trump has , Of course he has! Our POTUS supporting someone who attacked the capital in his name. Lol

Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.

she was a white trumper, killed by a black cop, which is exactly why the left ignores her death. if she was a black gang banger killed by a white cop in a questionable shooting then the left would care. there’d be riots, speeches by al sharpton, etc.

it’s all politics. the left is making january 6 out to be more than it was, the right wa td to pretend it never happened.
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.

This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...

and whose life was in immediate danger if she breached the chamber? could she have launched nukes from there?

“i would have been firing”

yeah yeah yeah.

officer kim potter is facing 15 years for an honest mistake in a deadly situation created by a criminal. . but this cop is a hero.

makes all kinds of sense.

was stupid for her to break
in, so so stupid.
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I too am amazed at the restraint of the officers that day. She was a crazy woman.

would you say this "force" was more like Delta Force or Space Force?

I guess in future at "mostly peaceful protests" and riots it will be ok if the police bust out the live rounds and take down any un-armed protesters that get out of hand and start damaging stuff.....

you know that if she was protesting/rioting for a leftist cause these guys would be losing their minds over her senseless murder and condemning the police

You are better than this, aren't you?:whackin:

I saw some...actually... a lot ....of very violent attacks on police and military members the summer prior and they didn't fire any bullets

this was an unarmed woman, and maybe she was mentally unstable, but I thought that was a reason not to shoot someone, particularly if they are unarmed

I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing....

This is worth watching. Frontline Season 2021 episode 7 American insurrection.


https://www.pbs.org/video/american-insurrection-ozor8y/

While I clearly saw the bias from the get-go, I feel it connects the dots enough to assign blame for the abject results of Jan 6. The justification of violence by these militias and far right factions are painting some of you in this discussion with the same broad stoke.

You're a dope....and a gaslighter. The force that overran the Capitol Police, whose job it is to protect and defend the Capitol and members of Congress.

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....and a gaslighter.

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this is already WAY overused....

What????? Seriously?

Agreed. As are the arguments and justifications for actions we are discussing in these recent pages.

how many do you think you could take out?

I just find it interesting how you are backing away, or quantifying
a statement made by Jim, that I took issue with...
She put herself in the line of fire. How many thousands of miles did she travel from her home? Her right to peaceful protest ended when she, as a member of the group, proceeded past police barriers, up the step, and breached the Capitol. She put herself there. What is so amazing about my response??? She asked for it.

from what?

"I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing...."

I wouldn't say she asked for it, she certainly put herself in harms way...she was the only one shot that day...no question as to why only one officer fired a bullet that day despite all of the violence apparently going on particularly as you've said you'd have just opened fire?


you also dragged out the story about a car incident as if that's relevant? Ted Kennedy had a little car incident and still ran for president afterward

The officer did not have the benefit of her past history when he had to make his decision to pull the trigger.

I did have Ted's past history when I chose not to vote for him.

Connecting those two is a stretch... Only common denominator I can see is that we have the benefit of 20/20 vision when looking at their personal histories... and that both are dead.

What imminent lethal threat did she pose at the moment she was shot, that could possibly justify deadly force?

Those morons deserved to be punished, the same way all rioters/trespassers are punished. No more, no less.

The January 6 rioters killed exactly zero people.

this is correct...you brought it up for some reason

weren't we told repeatedly afterward(I know I got a letter from the superintendent from my kids school telling be that if this had been blm marching through the capitol the police would have opened fire because they are police and therefore racist)....assuming they would be the same police protecting the capitol we are either supposed to laude them as heroes for restraint and surviving what they endured and not criticize any or one of them for firing a bullet and killing someone who "deserved it"....... or label them would-be racist killers who would have surely opened fire if they saw different skin color on the rioters...

Ross saw it was NOT mostly peaceful, which is why he reacted to John’s post. I had the same gut reaction, but I wasn’t sure if John actually believed that to be true or the post was sarcastic. Sorry anyone thinking that was mostly peaceful is blind, never saw a single video released or want to white wash it away like many on the right are attempting to do. Carry on with, as others have so accurately described this forum, the endless circle jerk.

Police ended up dying and committing suicide shortly thereafter.

Lot's of people get charged w/murder when they participate in crimes even if they didn't pull the trigger.

John said the "protest," not the riot, was mostly peaceful. There were 30 thousand "protesters" there on Jan6. It was, by far, by numbers, a mostly peaceful protest.

DON'T play the reverse race card on this.... That is low. The whole issue is low enough given its political nature of cause and effect.

DO play the S-B Powerball pool...

John probably applied the same litmus test they used to describe the "Summer of Love" protests as "Mostly Peaceful"
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Yup like I said, that is the whitewashing going on.

Would it be truthful to label the vast, vast, majority of the thirty thousand protesters as violent insurrectionists, seditionists, threats to democracy, malicious attackers of police and destroyers of federal property, etc.?

If it was proper to refer to the destructive riots that occurred throughout the past two years as mostly peaceful (presumably because most of the protesters didn't participate in the rioting), then there is no so-called whitewashing to say that Jan6 was mostly peaceful.

And, anyway, John may have also been throwing some sarc back at how those protests were referred to as "mostly peaceful."

that's what was said, almost immediately...I didn't say it....

not many of "the forces" have been charged with trying to overthrow the country either....you'd think that would be a layup....

do you think Maga Force has anything planned for the anniversary? I heard biden is going to try to read the teleprompter again...this should be fun....

but the summer 2020 riots which resulted in many deaths and way more property damage, those were mostly peaceful. you have no problem with that description.
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one died of natural causes. natural causes.

i am aware that more than some committed suicide after. i’m not aware of their psychological
records, i presume you aren’t either so we don’t know why. but if they committed suicide because of trespassers, then we need stricter requirements for who qualifies for federal law enforcement.
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