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detbuch 04-26-2018 08:25 PM

Passionate pre-election opinion of prominent Democrat
 
"The Democratic Party Today"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVZcGeuAjus

Pete F. 04-27-2018 12:27 PM

Are you trying to tell us that Trump is the new Jimmy Carter?

Nebe 04-27-2018 03:40 PM

Fox News. 😂😂😂
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Slipknot 04-27-2018 05:23 PM

The guy makes sense and a lot of good points. We will see where this goes as time will tell but Thankfully we don't have Clinton as our leader. I don't see her Standing up to Rocketman.
Hillsdale College is one of the few places our young minds won't be indoctrinated to socialism.
People need to wake up and boot the career hacks out before it's too late.

spence 04-27-2018 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1141743)
We will see where this goes as time will tell but Thankfully we don't have Clinton as our leader.

I hope you do realize a primary reason for the Russians working to elect Trump is because they were afraid of a Clinton POTUS.

Perhaps she doesn't have a pee tape.

The Dad Fisherman 04-27-2018 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141745)
I hope you do realize a primary reason for the Russians working to elect Trump is because they were afraid of a Clinton POTUS.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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scottw 04-28-2018 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141745)
I hope you do realize a primary reason for the Russians working to elect Trump is because they were afraid of a Clinton POTUS.

the primary reason Trump was elected was because Americans were all afraid of a Clinton presidency :uhuh:

JohnR 04-28-2018 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141745)
I hope you do realize a primary reason for the Russians working to elect Trump is because they were afraid of a Clinton POTUS.

Perhaps she doesn't have a pee tape.

No. Putin simply hates Clinton. He also feels he has elevated influence with Trump. But Putties ability to sow discord across both parties is his biggest accomplishment.

The Dad Fisherman 04-28-2018 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1141758)
the primary reason Trump was elected was because Americans were all afraid of a Clinton presidency :uhuh:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Pete F. 04-28-2018 09:59 AM

I think Trump was elected because he was one of two bad choices, one won the electoral college and the other the unpopular vote.
I know a number of republicans who voted for neither candidate, just think how bad Clinton could have lost to a decent Republican candidate who could actually do the job.

spence 04-28-2018 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1141764)
No. Putin simply hates Clinton. He also feels he has elevated influence with Trump. But Putties ability to sow discord across both parties is his biggest accomplishment.

Clinton would have worked to undermining his power and push back on Russian expansion. Trump just gives him a high five...
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detbuch 04-28-2018 10:22 AM

The Russians did not elect Trump. The American People elected Trump.

The American Media and American Press has far more influence on the American People than the Russians do. The American Press and Media were substantially against Trump.

The source of the pee story was Russian.

detbuch 04-28-2018 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141768)
I think Trump was elected because he was one of two bad choices, one won the electoral college and the other the unpopular vote.
I know a number of republicans who voted for neither candidate, just think how bad Clinton could have lost to a decent Republican candidate who could actually do the job.

How is Trump not doing the job?

scottw 04-28-2018 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141769)
Clinton would have worked to undermining his power and push back on Russian expansion. Trump just gives him a high five...
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yeah...she could have flown over there with another plastic button or something....

PaulS 04-28-2018 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141735)
Are you trying to tell us that Trump is the new Jimmy Carter?

You should be ashamed yourself to even mention a vile Petty lying philandering person like Trump in the same sentence with Carter.
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Pete F. 04-28-2018 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1141771)
How is Trump not doing the job?

Most of the people think so, look at the Rasmussen poll. Notice how quiet he is on that but, don't worry he is having another rally.
When he gets done playing golf.
"I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to go play golf." --Donald J. Trump, August, 2016
And dont forget this one
‘‘The mob takes the Fifth,’’ Trump told a campaign crowd in Iowa last September. ‘‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?’’

detbuch 04-28-2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141775)
Most of the people think so, look at the Rasmussen poll. Notice how quiet he is on that but, don't worry he is having another rally.
When he gets done playing golf.
"I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to go play golf." --Donald J. Trump, August, 2016
And dont forget this one
‘‘The mob takes the Fifth,’’ Trump told a campaign crowd in Iowa last September. ‘‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?’’

Again, how is Trump not doing his job?

spence 04-28-2018 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1141777)
Again, how is Trump not doing his job?

I guess it depends on what that "job" really is. If you were to ask how he's doing giving ridiculous tax breaks to the wealthy and generally making a clown of himself I'd say he's doing a great job.

scottw 04-28-2018 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1141777)
Again, how is Trump not doing his job?

seems to appear when taken in context that by all measurable standards he's doing a pretty good job...:rotf2:

scottw 04-28-2018 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141779)
I guess it depends on what that "job" really is. If you were to ask how he's doing giving ridiculous tax breaks to the wealthy and generally making a clown of himself I'd say he's doing a great job.

bitter clinger

Pete F. 04-28-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1141777)
Again, how is Trump not doing his job?

If his job is making sure that the proletariat (lowest class of citizens, predating Marx by more than a thousand years) have less and grows as a group, while ensuring that the wealthiest people control more and more then yes, one would say he is doing his job.
The rise of the corporation will lead to the end of democracy in this country. The middle class is the heart of democracy and it is dying.
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Slipknot 04-28-2018 07:42 PM

It's pretty obvious the correlation of the wealthy in the DC area has a lot to do with the elite ruling class and corrupt Government employees who are supposed to work for us, lobbyists , big business etc.

either by county https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.36b669d113df

or neighborhood http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/...neighborhoods/

They have been stealing America from our children for years. All for greed. Republicans and Democrats alike

detbuch 04-28-2018 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141789)
If his job is making sure that the proletariat (lowest class of citizens, predating Marx by more than a thousand years) have less and grows as a group, while ensuring that the wealthiest people control more and more then yes, one would say he is doing his job.
The rise of the corporation will lead to the end of democracy in this country. The middle class is the heart of democracy and it is dying.
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For the third time , I ask you, how is Trump not doing, as you put it, "the job"?

spence 04-29-2018 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1141795)
It's pretty obvious the correlation of the wealthy in the DC area has a lot to do with the elite ruling class and corrupt Government employees who are supposed to work for us, lobbyists , big business etc.

I'm not sure that correlation is that meaningful on its own. DC is home to a lot of higher income people who have nothing to do with government.

Pete F. 04-29-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1141799)
For the third time , I ask you, how is Trump not doing, as you put it, "the job"?

The job
Time will tell how Trump did.
If you can tell now how his presidency will go down in history you should go to Vegas
He may have achieved some things, but I always mistrust people who tell me how great they are. I’ve learned that from experience, perhaps yours has been different.
He takes credit for any good thing that happens and ignores the bad.
His “fake news” attacks that have gone on consistently are divisive at best.
But of course the news is fake because he is the greatest, the only one, the best, a very stable genius, least racist and possibly next he will say the son and Holy Ghost are at his side.
He is doing great you can tell from the unemployment reports (which until he won were fake), the stock market which has continued it’s rise, and Isis which has continued to fall. Don’t worry a tax cut during an economic expansion will reduce the deficit.
I don’t trust him.
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Pete F. 04-29-2018 01:59 PM

Slip, I think the destruction of the middle class is done by more than politicians, they are one tool in the process.
When we were kids who owned the dairy, who owned the corner store, bank, lumberyard, gas station, clothing store, factory, farm, restaurant? Did you know them and their families?
The money did not leave town and only provide low wage jobs.
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detbuch 04-29-2018 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141816)
The job
Time will tell how Trump did . . . I don’t trust him.

So when you said "just think how bad Clinton could have lost to a decent Republican candidate who could actually do the job" you didn't actually mean that Trump could not "actually do the job,"--right? You just don't trust him, and "time will tell," and he really hasn't done anything worthwhile, just hasn't screwed things up yet, that we can tell, and he's a scumbag, and you just don't trust him, and he's a scumbag, and what the polls say, and stuff, right?

And when you said "If his job is making sure that the proletariat (lowest class of citizens, predating Marx by more than a thousand years) have less and grows as a group, while ensuring that the wealthiest people control more and more then yes, one would say he is doing his job" you weren't actually saying That Trump is creating or expanding a Roman Empire form of the proletariat, right? Because, after all, the Roman proletariat did not have a Constitution which protected their unalienable rights. Nor were they allowed to vote. And, of course, you weren't saying that Trump was expanding a Marxist type proletariat, right? Because that proletariat would have control of the political power--a dictatorship of the proletariat that would imprison or execute a Trump. You were just making kinda nice, smart sounding, offhand remarks, right?

And when you said "The rise of the corporation will lead to the end of democracy in this country. The middle class is the heart of democracy and it is dying," you weren't blaming Trump, right? That stuff has been going on long before Trump--probably in earnest since the 1960's. All those Presidents and Congresses and state and local politicians left that mess for Trump to "inherit," right? And, anyway, even though he hasn't done anything significant yet and claims credit for anything good that would happen in spite of him, since you don't trust him and he's a scumbag, he probably won't be able to do the job either. But maybe a "decent" Republican would (for a change from all the presidents of the last 60 years) be able to do the job and bring back the middle class, right?

I am a tiny bit curious about your claim that corporations will lead to the end of democracy in this country. And about your notion that what you refer to as "Non-Originalist" judges who can change the meaning of constitutional text, which in effect rewrites the Constitution without having to amend it by will of the people, would not lead to the end of our form of democracy in this country.

As you have corrected my misunderstanding of your view on Trump's doing "the job," could you now explain how corporations will lead to the end of democracy in this country, but why judges usurping the power of the people's representatives by legislating from the bench and rewriting the law which guarantees our liberty, in ways that suit their personal prejudices, thereby replacing those unalienable liberties with only freedoms that government allows, will not endanger democracy in this country?

wdmso 04-30-2018 06:34 AM

“judicial activism” like voter fraud more the sky is falling talk

https://www.economist.com/blogs/demo...ial-politics-0

Pete F. 04-30-2018 07:29 AM

I don't trust him because he doesn't think things thru, reacts to things without thought and is easily lead astray, all you have to do is flatter him. Do you think the rest of the worlds leaders use Fox and Friends as their intelligence source?
Don't you think they know that at worst he will be around for 6 years?
Look at the history of negotiations with N Korea and see where we are now.
They have nukes, ICBMs and as a reward are having a meeting with the leader of the USA.
As far as being whatever nasty name you want to call him, that's up to you. I just think he's a schmuck.
All the inalienable rights in the world will do you no good if you don't have access to capital or the ability to accrue it. That is what is happening to the middle class and you can look at income distribution over the past 100 years and see it.

detbuch 04-30-2018 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1141843)
“judicial activism” like voter fraud more the sky is falling talk

https://www.economist.com/blogs/demo...ial-politics-0

I was not able to read your article because after a couple of seconds a pop-up ad blocked it and required me to subscribe in order to finish reading it.

It sounds interesting. Could you summarize it in your own words and we can have a discussion about that.

spence 04-30-2018 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141845)
Do you think the rest of the worlds leaders use Fox and Friends as their intelligence source?

The Russians do...oh wait, they are Fox and Friend's intelligence source :yak4:

Sea Dangles 04-30-2018 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141845)
I don't trust him because he doesn't think things thru, reacts to things without thought and is easily lead astray, all you have to do is flatter him. Do you think the rest of the worlds leaders use Fox and Friends as their intelligence source?
Don't you think they know that at worst he will be around for 6 years?
Look at the history of negotiations with N Korea and see where we are now.
They have nukes, ICBMs and as a reward are having a meeting with the leader of the USA.
As far as being whatever nasty name you want to call him, that's up to you. I just think he's a schmuck.
All the inalienable rights in the world will do you no good if you don't have access to capital or the ability to accrue it. That is what is happening to the middle class and you can look at income distribution over the past 100 years and see it.

Pete makes a lot of good points except pointing out the fact they have nukes and icbms. Do you honestly blame that on Trump Pete? My feeling is that is another problem he inherited from his predecessors. I feel like this is a great opportunity to make the world safer,who is responsible for this moment of clarity? Do you think the US is misguided when we "reward" NK with a meeting?
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detbuch 04-30-2018 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141845)
I don't trust him because he doesn't think things thru, reacts to things without thought and is easily lead astray, all you have to do is flatter him.

I don't know that what you say about him is true. His success in life is evidence that what you say is not true. I get that those who don't like him, and those who are pissed at being defeated by him, and those who want to win an election against him, would say stuff like that. That's just boilerplate politics.

Do you think the rest of the worlds leaders use Fox and Friends as their intelligence source?

That's just sarcasm, not an argument. Not part of an intelligent, honest discussion.

Don't you think they know that at worst he will be around for 6 years?

I don't know who the entire "they" are. Nor do I know why I should have trust, confidence, and agreement with those "they." There's a lot of "they" in this country and in other countries who would replace the word "worst" in your question with the word "best." Of course, those who hate Trump, don't want that notion to be exposed.

Look at the history of negotiations with N Korea and see where we are now.
They have nukes, ICBMs and as a reward are having a meeting with the leader of the USA.

You may want to frame it as a "reward." Others may want to call it Kim being scared out of his pants. And how did the history of negotiations with non-schmuk, decent leaders who didn't "reward" Kim work out?

Rather than not "thinking things thru," as you put it, Trump may have employed a version of Kissinger's "mad man strategy" to scare the be-Jesus out of Kim so he would be more likely to quit the nukes. Bombing Syria might well have been the kind of demonstrations which would help to convince Kim that Trump actually would attack NK if it didn't cooperate.


As far as being whatever nasty name you want to call him, that's up to you. I just think he's a schmuck.

When I said he was a scumbag, I thought I was reflecting your opinion of him, which seems to be the opinion of most anti-Trumpers. Again, I misinterpreted you. You don't consider him a scumbag. You think he is a schmuck. That's actually a bit nicer, but still as devastating. Probably even more so. Since scumbags in politics are very common and our previous, and several, scumbag Presidents have been able to do "the job." Schmuks would be too stupid to do "the job." Even so, you are willing to let time tell if Trump does "the job." Even though schmuks would not be capable of doing "the job."

All the inalienable rights in the world will do you no good if you don't have access to capital or the ability to accrue it. That is what is happening to the middle class and you can look at income distribution over the past 100 years and see it.

It is interesting that the past 100 years have been the time period in which Progressivism had begun to take hold and gradually have taken nearly total control of our society and our government. Yet it is those who are Progressive in their politics who rail against what they have wrought.

Pete F. 04-30-2018 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1141851)
Pete makes a lot of good points except pointing out the fact they have nukes and icbms. Do you honestly blame that on Trump Pete? My feeling is that is another problem he inherited from his predecessors. I feel like this is a great opportunity to make the world safer,who is responsible for this moment of clarity? Do you think the US is misguided when we "reward" NK with a meeting?
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No, it is not Trumps fault, but time is on their side. They are a nuclear power. In order to negotiate a treaty with them we will have to modify our existing relationship with S Korea and Japan. It is not a simple problem, unless the current regime is substantially different than his father. Who knew North Korea could be so complicated? (Couldn't resist)

Pete F. 04-30-2018 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1141852)
It is interesting that the past 100 years have been the time period in which Progressivism had begun to take hold and gradually have taken nearly total control of our society and our government. Yet it is those who are Progressive in their politics who rail against what they have wrought.

And the Conservatives are happy?
This is a reply to the stuff you wrote in the body
Apparently you believe that because Trump says he is rich, that he is.
Perhaps John Barron told you so also.
As far as being around for some number of years, the rest of the world's leaders also feel some responsibility for their economies and realize that business needs the ability to be able to plan based on stable relationships, not the latest deal that someone thinks he can bully others into. This is not selling your name to anyone who wants to buy it for a minority stake in a project and if it's a loser, on to the next one.
You actually think Trump read any of Kissingers books, and developed a plan?
I think you could spend some time researching Trump, assume 20% is true. To me, it's pretty scary that he is where he is.

Jim in CT 04-30-2018 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141745)
I hope you do realize a primary reason for the Russians working to elect Trump is because they were afraid of a Clinton POTUS.

Perhaps she doesn't have a pee tape.

Oh my yes, when she was crying in the early days of the 2008 primaries (when things weren't going so well for her), I'm sure that had Putin shaking in his boots.

Jim in CT 04-30-2018 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141789)
If his job is making sure that the proletariat (lowest class of citizens, predating Marx by more than a thousand years) have less and grows as a group, while ensuring that the wealthiest people control more and more then yes, one would say he is doing his job.
The rise of the corporation will lead to the end of democracy in this country. The middle class is the heart of democracy and it is dying.
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Unemployment is way down. For blacks, it's at record lows. Judging by the democrat response to that at the State Of The Union, maybe that's not the good news I presume it is. Perhaps you can explain why that is...

Did the wealthy not get wealthier under Obama? Given the stock market surge, that would be a nifty trick.

When the economy grows, that will always help the wealthier more than it helps regular folks, because they have more money to invest. Maybe that's not fair, but it's not a bad thing either, the wealthy aren't taking anything away from anyone else, wealth isn't finite, it's not like a pizza. Racism and income inequality, two favorite things for liberals to fall back on when they have nohting else, and cannot admit that the other guy has a point.

Pete F. 04-30-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1141867)
Unemployment is way down. For blacks, it's at record lows. Judging by the democrat response to that at the State Of The Union, maybe that's not the good news I presume it is. Perhaps you can explain why that is...

Did the wealthy not get wealthier under Obama? Given the stock market surge, that would be a nifty trick.

When the economy grows, that will always help the wealthier more than it helps regular folks, because they have more money to invest. Maybe that's not fair, but it's not a bad thing either, the wealthy aren't taking anything away from anyone else, wealth isn't finite, it's not like a pizza. Racism and income inequality, two favorite things for liberals to fall back on when they have nohting else, and cannot admit that the other guy has a point.

Where did you get race out of that?
Income inequality is real and capital is somewhat finite, less so now that we do not have a gold standard.
But capital has been flowing to the people at the very top(think 1%) and has accelerated. It's not just the latest administrations fault, but the tax change did not help. I'm sure the Waltons deserve it, after all they spread 2% out among their employees.

Jim in CT 04-30-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141869)
Where did you get race out of that?
Income inequality is real and capital is somewhat finite, less so now that we do not have a gold standard.
But capital has been flowing to the people at the very top(think 1%) and has accelerated. It's not just the latest administrations fault, but the tax change did not help. I'm sure the Waltons deserve it, after all they spread 2% out among their employees.

"Where did you get race out of that?" You make it seem like liberals care a lot about helping the poor. If that's true, why did all the democrats sit there with scowls on their faces, when Trump proclaimed that black unemployment was at record lows?

"Income inequality is real "

It sure is. Here in ultra-liberal CT, it is real and getting worse.

"and capital is somewhat finite"

Wealth is not finite. There is no hard cap to what GDP can be. If Warren Buffet earns another $1 million today, that doe snot mean there's a million less for you ad me to scrounge for. Wealthy people are good for the economy. They pay taxes on some of that wealth, they invest some of it, they spend some of it, they give some to charity. All of those things, help the economy. And except in the case of thieves, they aren't taking anything away from anyone else.

How would you deal with this? Would you pass a law saying that once someone achieves a certain net worth, that they can no longer work or invest?

"But capital has been flowing to the people at the very top(think 1%) and has accelerated"

It always does. And it doesn't negatively effect me or you, one bit. One person's wealth doesn't cause another person's poverty.

"sure the Waltons deserve it"

I didn't say that. I said that if the Waltons lost it all in the stock market tomorrow and became poor, I don't see how that helps anyone else.

Jim in CT 04-30-2018 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141869)
Where did you get race out of that?
Income inequality is real and capital is somewhat finite, less so now that we do not have a gold standard.
But capital has been flowing to the people at the very top(think 1%) and has accelerated. It's not just the latest administrations fault, but the tax change did not help. I'm sure the Waltons deserve it, after all they spread 2% out among their employees.

"Where did you get race out of that?" You make it seem like liberals care a lot about helping the poor. If that's true, why did all the democrats sit there with scowls on their faces, when Trump proclaimed that black unemployment was at record lows?

"Income inequality is real "

It sure is. Here in ultra-liberal CT, it is real and getting worse.

"and capital is somewhat finite"

Wealth is not finite. There is no hard cap to what GDP can be. If Warren Buffet earns another $1 million today, that doe snot mean there's a million less for you ad me to scrounge for. Wealthy people are good for the economy. They pay taxes on some of that wealth, they invest some of it, they spend some of it, they give some to charity. All of those things, help the economy. And except in the case of thieves, they aren't taking anything away from anyone else.

How would you deal with this? Would you pass a law saying that once someone achieves a certain net worth, that they can no longer work or invest?

"But capital has been flowing to the people at the very top(think 1%) and has accelerated"

It always does. And it doesn't negatively effect me or you, one bit. One person's wealth doesn't cause another person's poverty.

"sure the Waltons deserve it"

I didn't say that. I said that if the Waltons lost it all in the stock market tomorrow and became poor, I don't see how that helps anyone else.

"the tax change did not help"

No? The $38 billion in taxes that Apple will pay when it brings cash back, that won't help? The new jobs and infrastructure investments promised by Apple and Comcast won't help?


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