No gun problem in the US
 

40 plus active shooters a year, up 97% in the past five years, nothing changes.

Whatever :rolleyes:
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Does your figures include the daily shootings in Chicago and other schithole cities ruled by the left :huh::huh:

14 Students, 1 Teacher Dead in Texas School Shooting

Not your kids so whatever?
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14 Students, 1 Teacher Dead in Texas School Shooting

But the kids parents might be liberals or immigrants so it’s ok…
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Try a google search next time it’s likely to answer your question, but the top state for death total (not surprising due to population) is California and two and three are Texas and Florida. Now we have a major bust of a ghost gun manufacturer, as if we didn’t already have a problem with guns that might be traceable. The far right believes more guns or easy access makes the US safer, hope your young kids and those around the country enjoy their fearful active shooter training.

I’m NOT against guns, I’ve hunted for years, but this is getting a little ridiculous.

I feel terrible for all affected by this. My “Whatever” is for the usual running to the internet/social media about it and trying to assign blame to anything and everything, except the guy that pulled the trigger.

They’ll parrot that we need “Common Sense” gun laws and yet not offer anything that would have prevented that days tragedy.

You’ll whine like a little beyotch and blame the GOP because that’s all you ever do. Pete will sooner or later insert Trump into the conversation, because that’s all he ever does.

Detbuch will try to have a rational discussion but give up after GS calls him a crappie fisherman and Pete, as mentioned above, will insert Trump into the conversation and try his best to derail the conversation.

Jim will offer up that it’s all the democrats fault and keep bringing up Chicago, he’ll inevitably say something mean and Paul will call him a (insert adjective that means Not a nice person). Spence will wander in and tell Jim he’s wrong and disappear.

The dialog will go nowhere for 3-4 days and then fade. Until the next one.

Rinse and Repeat.

Like I said “Whatever”
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There you go apathy and thereby complicity, curious what your solution is, or wait you see no problem needing a solution.

Whatever :rolleyes:
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Yeah, nothing can be done.

Well now Ken Paxton says teachers, whose unions are communist and who cannot be trusted to refrain from grooming our children to lives of sexual debauchery and hatred of America and white people, should be better armed.
And gun laws won't stop gun violence. But abortion laws will stop abortions. Got it.
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Trump and Republicans claim He lost the election do to voter fraud mail in ballots and drop boxes

Republicans in red states changed voting laws as fast as they could even changing laws they passed the year prior..

Gun man kills 10 in buffalo

Gun man in Texas 19 children so far

Republicans and conservatives news sites. response

Democrats rushed to capitalize on the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, and attack Republicans.

yep Republicans are the victims more like the cause


Texans can carry handguns without a license. And People are generally authorized to openly carry long guns in Texas, although state law prohibits people from displaying a firearm in a public place in a “manner calculated to alarm.

So I am guessing Texans shouldn’t be alarmed with people carrying AR or an AK or a spas 12 in any public setting . Until they hear gun fire ?

Just me but some guns unless you have a collector’s license. And if you’re that committed to firing them on a range you’ll get the license

Most people have no need to own them.

They just want them it’s cool to tell your friends I’ve got an AR or an AK with a cool suppressor and look at my vest and helmet. This is as close to being in the military or Iraq I could find..

It’s nonsense
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one party controls the white house and both chambers of congress. If there’s any low hanging fruit that will help, what are they waiting for?

there’s many pieces to this. We need to at least try something different with guns, though that’s unlikely to make
much of a dent. the guns are out there, untold millions of them.

our mental illness infastructire isn’t working, and that will get worse with each generation spends more time online and less time connecting with people in meaningful ways.

we need more close knit families teaching their kids why empathy is important. we’re getting further and further away from that every day.

it’s not just guns. it’s us.

biden sure was mad that we aren’t doing anything. Since he’s apparently not in a position to do anything, maybe he should write a letter to his congressman.
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With all the money we are printing might as well beef up school security, THAT might help, except we are fashionably defunding police and security). With all the illegal guns, we should surely crack down on legal owners. And Ghost guns, you can get those past airport screening because they are really easy to make and have not metal parts.


A lot of these young shooters have mental health issues and have been stirring up crap in their past. What is the solution on that?

it’s reported, as you said, that his social media stuff was pretty disturbing.

not sure how we round up everyone who expresses dark-ish fantasies on the internet.

school security might have more impact than anything else we can discuss, until we fix what’s broke about us. and i see that getting worse not better. our collective moral compass is just out of balance.
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Look at Killingly CT. They could have had a cost free mental health center at the high school but the board of Ed said no because of politics:





The controversial decision has been mired in politics. Those opposed to the mental health center have raised complaints and references more commonly heard from the political right: cancel culture, Hillary Clinton, abortion, gender identity. Some wonder if schools are the best place for mental health care.

Norm Ferron, who was elected the new chairman during the board’s April 13 meeting, said he voted against the school mental health center because he was concerned that kids might get counseling about “controversial topics.”

“Basically, what is a stranger to the parents can be advising their child on any issue,” he said. “They might be giving them counseling directly opposed to the views of the parents.”

The Killingly Board of Education is used to controversy. In recent months, it voted down a proposal to host a vaccine clinic at the school and rescinded the district’s mask policy with language that makes it harder to bring back. Many members ran on the promise that they would reinstate the school’s controversial mascot, the Redmen, which they did in 2020.


Let's not forget that Abbott also said that he was embarrassed that TX was only #2 in gun ownership.

One example of many. I could fill the internet with examples of liberals wanting to make it harder to commit the mentally ill. And many examples of liberals saying the nuclear family is anachronistic.

Both sides contribute to this Paul. I have no idea what happened in Killingly, and I also know there's no such thing as free, particularly when it comes to public education. I'd like to see a teachers union in this state agreeing to do anything for free. And I lived there, I know what I'm talking about.

Paul, if the GOP is all that's stopping us from solving this, please explain why the democrats controlling the white house and both chambers of Congress, haven't proposed a single thing in 18 months that would effect this? What's stopping them?

The GOP needs to be more flexible on guns, that's one part of this, probably a small part. The left needs to concede the benefits of the traditional nuclear family and old-fashioned family values (guns were available in the 1950s, but this stuff didn't happen like we see today, because our culture then was superior in some ways) and start encouraging it, rather than constantly attacking it. How many murderers come from families with a mom and a dad and a golden retriever in the house, where they go to church on Sundays, eat supper together most nights, and get involved in scouting and camping and fishing and all those healthy activities? I'd bet very, very few. So why not encourage those tings, rather than attack them constantly?

Blame all around.

Two little kids are still missing today, did I hear that right? Why would that be? This wasn't a 9/11 type event...

Hope they're OK and we can have a little tiny something to be thankful for.

USA: It's a mental health issue.

WORLD: We have those. We don't have mass shootings.

USA: Then it's a video game issue.

WORLD: We have those. We don't have mass shootings.

USA: It's very complex.

WORLD: No, it's gun laws.

USA: Prayer in school?

WORLD: God, you're stupid.
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"World"? You mean like Africa, Mexico, and South and Central America too. Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...Europe_by_year

Don’t worry bucko, we’re leading the rest of the world

A shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, that has killed 19 children and two adults marks the 27th school shooting this year and the 212th mass shooting.
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Wow staggering three mass shootings in Europe this year, limited deaths in comparison to the 40+ in the US this year, I think you might have embarrassed yourself with that nugget.

I don’t think anyone can argue the mental health aspect of this problem is a big part, but there is no way to track or even predict who might snap, even if no previous evidence exists. Access to guns and especially high powered assault style weapons, in addition to the millions of stolen, illegal and now ghost guns is the bigger problem.

I get the constitutional 2A argument, but when that was written consider arms were basically on an even footing. I doubt the intent was to have the ability to arm yourself with anything, when the next lethal weapon of war is developed, does any citizen have the right to arm up if his neighbors are?

So do we let the president or congress disregard the parts of the constitution they don't happen to like? I don't disagree with you in theory, but if we let Biden decide which parts of the constitution he can ignore, say Trump wins again in 2024, are you comfortable letting Trump decide which parts of the constitution he can ignore?

There are also 100 million (/) guns out there. Tougher gun laws aren't going to involve confiscating them.

Doesn't mean we don't try to do something, but both sides need to be more honest, less partisan, about the components of the problem, and the pros and cons of solutions.

And I'd love to see a study that shows how many Americans are killed in these random mass shootings versus killed in garden variety gun violence, and how much media coverage each tragedy gets.

Well let’s see, what’s the average age of mass shooters
This one was18, maybe it should be harder to buy guns than beer.
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In 2008 Justice Antonin Scalia introduced another interpretation that gun proponents seize on to argue against gun control. He wrote the Supreme Court decision that individuals have the right to own firearms. But Scalia also stated, “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.” He approved of “laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
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So in 2021 there were seven mass shootings in Europe--33 killed and 79 injured. Are those acceptable numbers? Would 40 dead and 100 injured be acceptable? Would 50 dead and 110 injured be an acceptable number for mass shootings in the U.S. Would guns not be a problem with those numbers.

What is the acceptable number of deaths and injures from mass shootings in the U.S. below which guns would not be the problem and above which they would be the problem?

My response was to Pete F in which he quoted "world" as saying "We don't have mass shootings."

That is blatantly false, as my response showed. And in other parts of the world, such as Africa and the Americas south of our border, the numbers are worse than ours.

So, what's the magic number of deaths and injuries at which we will be OK with guns, and above which guns are the culprit?

Anyone that believes the Goberment wants more gun control & laws probably also believes the goberment gives a crap about blacks, Hispanics, gays ect…….

Nothing will change.
A few weeks in the news and back to business as usual.
Of course, The media will do its best to spin this that the shooter was a white KKK loving White supremacists
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One could say it’s roughly the same as abortions
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Nobody believes (or at least I don’t) no mass shootings happen elsewhere, but it really is unique to the US in terms of the numbers, we are well over 200 deaths for the year. Way too many guns and way to easy for anyone to get their hands on one. Both sides of the isle really need to figure this out or this disconnected society will continue to kill our own children.

Only gun dealers with a Federal Firearms License are required to do a background check before selling a gun in Texas, not private sellers. Texas has NO state requirement for more comprehensive background checks when purchasing a firearm. Therefore, persons prohibited from owning firearms can easily obtain a gun - on the internet, at a gun show, even from a private seller out of the trunk of a car.
In states like Texas with no state-required background check, research has shown that 57% of private gun sales were done with no background check.
Around 80% of all firearms acquired for criminal purposes are obtained through transfers from unlicensed sellers. Including the purchase of his firearm by the Odessa/Midland mass shooter.
Texans overwhelmingly (79%) support universal background checks.

But it’s a mental health problem
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what would the background check have shown in this case? cause to deny him a gun?

Chicago has tough gun laws. How’s that working out?

i’m not saying we do nothing.
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Jim all guns in Chicago start out as legal guns.

Access and quantity are the big issues and the next are weapon types

Why does only the United States have this gun violence problem?

There is a reason and Mental heath isn’t that reason
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Do you have a number above which guns are the problem and below which guns are not the problem?

According to Newsweek, "In 2018, the homicide rate in Mexico hit a record high of 35,964, spiking 12 percent from the year before, according to the country's National Institute of Statistics and Geography. Of those murders, at least 20,005 were carried out with guns." And the murders continued to rise at the time this article was written.

The numbers are similar or worse in other countries south of our border. And much worse in parts of Africa.

Are all those numbers, which are way worse than in the U.S., a result of the weapons (mostly guns)?

With 393 million guns owned by U.S. citizens, you'd think that those guns would be killing a way lot more people than they do.

Maybe most of the guns don't want to kill anybody?

We should outlaw the guns that want to kill people.

i agree access and quantity are a big issue. i agree 100%.

what do we do about it? i honestly don’t know. we can’t confiscate hundreds of millions of guns. literally hundreds of millions. which makes
me wonder what gun laws will
do.

i don’t know why you can’t concede that mental health is part of it. i guess because the dnc hasn’t ordered you to believe it.

we’re a free country of 330 million people. there’s a very small number of very sick
folks, and a ton of guns.
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Any one who kills children has MH issues that’s obvious and not up to debate

Please don’t go down the confiscate nonsense the right loves to preach

But when an 18 year old buys 2 ARs and 350 rounds over 3 days and there’s no red flag or waiting period in Texas .. these are basic laws needed

But In the state of Texas, a mandatory 24-hour waiting period is required for all abortions. The waiting period begins at your in-office consultation and ultrasound visit. A mandatory ultrasound is also required by law under

Texas Priorities are clear
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There can be some qualifications, but the default should be shall issue unless there is a reason not to.

It's a Mental Health AND a Culture Problem.

Doesn't work in Chicago.

RI did one thing sensible, they recently changed it to the town where you live runs the background check, not the town where the shop is.


Lots of stolen guns in Chicago but it is NEVER the criminal's fault.

The problem I have with what Scalia said with his double negative, "not unlimited" is that he cops out from saying directly that it is limited. So why doesn't he say that "most rights are limited"?--that is the positive result of the double negative. And the double negative coming from his inclusion of it in an Court interpretation leaves the decision open to entirely voiding the 2A. For if there is no absoluteness to it, then it cannot claim any absolute immunity from being denied by some interpretation of the need to protect society.

If he cannot tell us in what way it is absolute, then it is not guaranteed, and can be eliminated if five Justices so decide. Saying that it is "not unlimited" without pointing out in what way it is unlimited, is saying that it is not an unalienable right, but rather a right or privilege granted by government, and can be limited or made void at the whim of government. Which is not what the framers of the Constitution said in the text of the Amendment.

It's only their fault if they're a white supremacist.

It’s always the criminals fault

It’s never a criminals fault is just a conservatives 2a talking point

And I agree Mental Health AND a Culture Problem. Plus an a availability problem

In Texas you need to be 21 for a hand gun but 18 for any long rifle

The majority of responsible gun owners want better gun control but for some reason Republicans ignore those poll?

Have as many guns as you like they should all be registered. And have a purchase history or come with a title

Only 11 States Require Gun Owners to Report Stolen Weapons to Police

California
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Illinois
Maryland (handguns and assault weapons only)
Massachusetts
Michigan (thefts only)
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Rhode Island An DC

This 11 could be more this was dated 2017. But I doubt it


researchers at Harvard and Northeastern universities estimated that as many as 380,000 weapons are lost or stolen each


More children died by guns than car crashes in 2020, for the first time in decades

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-car-crashes/


Clearly this study can’t blame it all on just mental health.

People who shoot up schools or serial killers yes Mental heath is a huge factor in their crimes I don’t think that’s debatable but some how the weapons the use isn’t debatable for many on the right as even a factor in their crimes?
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