Maxine Waters: “The hell with the Supreme Court. We will defy them”.
 

Classy and respectful of diversity as always

Plus, how do you “defy” a decision which says states can decide what to do?

Plus, if she can defy federal
law, does that mean I can defy the Internal Revenue Service? Because if I can do what she says she’s gonna do, then there’s a 26 foot Regulator with my name on it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/max...will-defy-them

When the Supreme Court acts like a legislative body overturning established precedent that they lawyerly failed to tell the truth about in their confirmation hearings they are viewed correctly as a political body.
Not one elected or wanted by the majority of voters.
Unpopular legislation doesn’t work.
Just wait for what the ultra right wing Court does next, because in a concurring opinion overturning Roe, Justice Thomas said that SCOTUS should reconsider opinions protecting same-sex relationships, marriage equality and contraceptives.

The court must "'correct the error' established in those precedents," Thomas said.

The only saving grace about Justice Thomas's concurrence is that no other justice joined it. At least, not today.

So now for good cause American confidence in Supreme Court sinks to lowest level ever recorded by Gallup
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ironic...

can’t make that up.

does this help democrats in november? probably a little.
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Don’t worry boys, American women still have the right to choose
Republicans who took your reproductive rights

Or

Democrats who want to return them
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Again Jim’s more upset at The hell with the Supreme Court. We will defy them”. Comment

Then he is over


Trump to DOJ Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me’

Classic.

Jim tell me this , So every SCJ since the the 72 decision. All of the SC Justices who came before the current 3 newest were complete idiots and wrongly interpreted the constitution.. ya ok .,, this ruling wasn’t about the law it was about the lord
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Exactly. Roe may have been a flawed argument, but it was challenged how many times during Reagan’s term alone? That eventually culminated in Casey.

So basically, the Fox News 5 + Roberts decided this time was different. Of course three of them (maybe more) distinctly said during confirmation that’s Roe was settled law at this point.

Everyone should read Supreme Myth’s by Segal. It predates all the recent stuff by a few years but shows some of the history of the court acting as a political body (on both sides).

so if a bunch of segregationist judges upheld slavery and segregation a few times, that would
mean you’d say it can
never be overturned?

where’s that in the constitution?

constitution doesn’t provide for abortion, but says pretty clearly a person can’t be denied life without due process.

you’re a scientist. in your opinion, when is it a person? i’m genuinely curious.


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rep Cori Bush says SCOTUS is racist. She didn’t say how. No one will ask her to support that.
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Viability, which obviously changes all the time.
I am not saying this is easy. Put a cap on it, 20 weeks, whatever seems reasonable and don’t remove exceptions for rape/incest/life of mother.

you responded straight up, i respect that. that is sincere, not sarcastic.

i’m a math guy. things need to make sense to me. my issue with picking a point, say 20 weeks, is this…the baby is no different on the last day of the 19th week, than it is on the first day of the 20th week. i think there’s only one spectacular moment, one time when something gets created that didn’t exist before, that’s conception. But that’s my logic, and reasonable
people can disagree.

but we both seem to agree that women can choose to do whatever they want with their own bodies, as long as that choice doesn’t hurt someone else. you and i may disagree a little on what constitutes “someone else”, but we seem to agree on a big chunk of it.

And i’m fine with leaving exceptions for rape, incest, and the health of the mom. those are, thankfully, rare.
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Looked to me like Jim started a post about the words of Maxine Waters & her call for violence……….
Silence …….

If it was anyone on the R you #^&#^&#^&#^&in guys would be screaming bloody murder.
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Clarence and his nut job wife are a perfect example of why lifetime and now political appointments are so wrong, especially when the majority of the country disagrees with their decisions.

For someone bringing his political BS to the main forum, I’m pretty sure you can’t be complaining about anything.

Make no mistake, the GOP just lost the American suburbs for a generation or two.
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we’ll see in november.
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Yea November is coming

Stating the obvious: but so everyone is clear. It is absolutely the case that the very first legislative priority of a Republican trifecta at the national level will be a federal ban on abortions. It will be HR 1.

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I hope the saying be careful what you wish for comes back to bite the far right. Women are coming out to vote and which side of that debate hold the bigger numbers. Time to add more justices to the Supreme Court to balance things out and I hope this administration has some foresight to see that’s required to properly represent the country as a whole.

was the court was left tilting since Earl Warren was on it. but that imbalance was ok.

you add more, then the right adds more when they’re in charge. where does that end?

do you binder stand what happens here? abortion will only be outlawed, i. states where people
want that. that’s how state governments work.
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Is this why Pence announced he thinks abortions should be banned by federal law and he’s the guy to do it? Truth is any Republican running in 2024 will do the same to make abortion illegal everywhere in the US.
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You are another who sees and hears violence we’re there is none . But doesn’t see violence or hear threats when shown on. TV screen or sent to congress people from the Maga cult
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you always find one extremist, and assign the extreme view to the entire GOP.

Fine, then AOC speaks for all
democrats everywhere

It’s going to the states where it belongs. WE get to decide, rather than 9 unelected judges. I can live with that, even though I know it means abortion will always be legal in many states.

It’s a political/legislative issue, it should be decided by us.

Telling that you are so opposed to that idea.

I haven’t heard one single legal
argument in favor of it today. Just that the left really wants it.
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Wow

Pence is now an extremist in your view

He’s certainly thinking he’s running for the Republican nomination

He was the Vice President of the party you support

And he’s far from the sole Republican proposing a federal ban

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on abortion he’s obviously an extremist. not complicated.

and a lot of democrats want zero restrictions, which americans don’t want.
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Still not 1 mention on the words from Maxine Waters

Apparently there’s lots of Republican extremists

Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.), the chair of the 158-member Republican Study Committee, told Axios, "We're having lots of conversations."

"When we get the majority back after the midterms, I expect there to be a larger discussion about where Republicans are unified, and those conversations are still ongoing," he added.
Banks said there are "lots of legislative vehicles that are getting broad Republican support," from a 15-week ban to a heartbeat bill to a total ban.
Rep. Bob Good (R-Va.), who is championing a total abortion ban co-sponsored by more than 160 House Republicans, said, "We need to do what our base sent us here to do and what is the right thing to do, which is to ban all abortion."
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because it’s ok when democrats do it.
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Republicans will force you to carry your baby to term, just so they can grow up and get shot in school.
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yup. a huge % of kids get shot in school.

your brain is completely broke.
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More likely they will get shot by Maxine Waters

Sure boys, One day after the same six people on the SCOTUS declared that restricting guns in order to promote public safety and save lives is unconstitutional. Don't believe it when they tell you it's about life.
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right tokown guns is explicitly in the constitution, the right to kill unborn isnt, and is in fact contraindicated by language that says a person can’t lose his life without due process.

Big difference.

It’s not the courts job to be popular, only to be constitutional.
it’s the legislatures job to be popular.
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20000 Americans killed by gun violence so far this year.

Harsh but irrefutable words from the dissent that go straight to core: decision "based on nothing more than the new views of new judges.The majority has overruled Roe & Casey for 1 and only 1 reason: because it has always despised them, and now it has the votes to discard them."
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so you know they didn’t do it because it was stupid law, but because or personal agenda. for a mind reader, you get a lot of stuff wrong.

it’s 10 pm and i haven’t heard a single legal
argument about why they were wrong. just whining that the left doesn’t like it.
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The right to own guns is not in the Constitution, it’s interpreted to be so by some from the Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The Supreme Court released very few groundbreaking opinions on this until 2008 when they found the Second Amendment does in fact protect an individual right to bear arms.
So now the same Court has decided that abortion is not a right because there’s not enough historical precedence and that unlimited gun rights are allowed building on a 2008 decision.

Just more proof that “originalism” is really cuz I wanna
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pete, there’s zero legal
argument that abortion is in there. zilch. and the left is terrified about having to debate this honestly in public because of how depraved it actually is. current science makes it look even uglier.

trump did this to you. let that sink in.
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No Jim, science doesn’t back up anti abortion theory.

You better get used to the idea that every miscarriage from today forward will HAVE to be investigated for possible negligent homicide, manslaughter, 3rd degree murder, whatever your state calls it

Women are going to end up in prison for miscarriages. That's where this is going.

But checks and balances…

But legal precedence…

But political norms…

But compromise…

But settled law…

We heard a lot of feel-good rationalizations on our way to becoming Oceania, didn’t we?
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i said science makes it look uglier. Videos of late first trimester abortions show the baby physically resisting the instruments of the abortion. your side doesn’t want that out there.
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When you read Clarence Thomas’s concurrence, where he calls into question many other rights based on the fundamental right to privacy, remember that he testified unequivocally in his confirmation hearings that there is a right to privacy in the Constitution.
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The other opinion very explicitly says that the ruling doesn’t apply to rights other then abortion.

There’s a solid legal
regiment for gay marriage and interracial marriage, the right not to be discriminated against.

There’s no defensible legal argument that a woman has a constitutional right to an abortion. it was a stupid legal decision.

You think it’s better for 9 unelected judges to decide these things for all of us, rather then we getting to decide through our state officials? you’re opposed to democracy?

Pete i’m a conservative living in CT. I made peace a king time ago with the family t that i won’t always get what i want. I do what i can, and i don’t even lose any sleep over it. I don’t like it obviously, but Im fine with it. It’s called democracy.

do you have any comment at all, about Maxine Waters’ language?
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