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Pete F. 04-20-2020 10:15 AM

Nobody told me is just another lie
 
From the WaPo

More than a dozen U.S. researchers, physicians and public health experts, many of them from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were working full time at the Geneva headquarters of the World Health Organization as the novel coronavirus emerged late last year and transmitted real-time information about its discovery and spread in China to the Trump administration, according to U.S. and international officials.

A number of CDC staff members are regularly detailed to work at the WHO in Geneva as part of a rotation that has operated for years. Senior Trump-appointed health officials also consulted regularly at the highest levels with the WHO as the crisis unfolded, the officials said.

The presence of so many U.S. officials undercuts President Trump’s assertion that the WHO’s failure to communicate the extent of the threat, born of a desire to protect China, is largely responsible for the rapid spread of the virus in the United States.

Sea Dangles 04-20-2020 02:48 PM

Isn’t that something
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Nebe 04-20-2020 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1191311)
Isn’t that something
🍔
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It is something.
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detbuch 04-20-2020 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191302)
From the WaPo

More than a dozen U.S. researchers, physicians and public health experts, many of them from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were working full time at the Geneva headquarters of the World Health Organization as the novel coronavirus emerged late last year and transmitted real-time information about its discovery and spread in China to the Trump administration, according to U.S. and international officials.

A number of CDC staff members are regularly detailed to work at the WHO in Geneva as part of a rotation that has operated for years. Senior Trump-appointed health officials also consulted regularly at the highest levels with the WHO as the crisis unfolded, the officials said.

The presence of so many U.S. officials undercuts President Trump’s assertion that the WHO’s failure to communicate the extent of the threat, born of a desire to protect China, is largely responsible for the rapid spread of the virus in the United States.

Did the WHO communicate the extent of the threat differently than the head of WHO did at the time Trump refers to? The head of the WHO was parroting China's version at that time that there was no evidence of human to human transmission and that the travel ban was not necessary, that it was alarmist and racist. The message was not one of urgency, but that the coronavirus was no more dangerous than the flu.

And the CDC, which requested it, was not allowed by China to go there and help to find out what exactly was happening.

detbuch 04-20-2020 06:04 PM

Pete likes certain timelines. Doubt that he'll like this one provided by the Hudson Institute. It shows China's duplicity in covering up its culpability in spreading the virus and The WHO's complicity in covering up for China. It's long, covering the period from mid November to mid April, listing about 80 dates involving significant information in each.

It substantiates what I said in the above post and shows how China along with its running mate WHO covered up what the rest of the world needed to know to stop the virus early on, thus being the real culprits in the spread of Covid-19 to the rest of the world.

Please read it. It's an easy bullet point layout so you don't have to read excessive verbiage and doesn't take much time or effort to get through. It's VERY enlightening.

https://www.hudson.org/research/1592...virus-timeline

Nebe 04-20-2020 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191316)

Please read it. It's an easy bullet point layout so you don't have to read excessive verbiage and doesn't take much time or effort to get through. It's VERY enlightening.

https://www.hudson.org/research/1592...virus-timeline

They dumbed it down for the trump-tards and mental midgets who lack reading comprehension.
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Pete F. 04-20-2020 07:08 PM

Who did the Trump* administration appoint to the executive board of the WHO?
And why did Art of the Deal Trump* not pressure his good friend Xi for access?
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detbuch 04-20-2020 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1191320)
They dumbed it down for the trump-tards and mental midgets who lack reading comprehension.
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So did you comprehend it?

Sea Dangles 04-20-2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1191313)
It is something.
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Yippee
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Pete F. 04-20-2020 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191322)
Who did the Trump* administration appoint to the executive board of the WHO?

And why did Art of the Deal Trump* not pressure his good friend Xi for access?

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Too hard a question?
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Sea Dangles 04-20-2020 09:42 PM

Ask yourself again, Bitchslappedboy.
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Nebe 04-20-2020 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191329)
So did you comprehend it?

I didn’t read it. Much like 94% of your posts.
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detbuch 04-20-2020 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1191340)
I didn’t read it. Much like 94% of your posts.
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Actually, this must be a pretty good thread--it sucked you in. And it even got you to read two of my posts in this thread alone--and respond to them. That's got to be your 6% quota for a while.

wdmso 04-21-2020 10:07 AM

seems this has been lost in the daily Trump rally

President Trump has removed the head of a group charged with overseeing the $2 trillion coronavirus package passed by Congress last month.

Fine has worked under both Republican and Democratic administrations, serving for more than a decade as the inspector general at the Department of Justice. He joined the Department of Defense's Office of Inspector General in 2015.

well see how long the new guy last or why the old guy was let go?

Nebe 04-21-2020 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1191356)
seems this has been lost in the daily Trump rally

President Trump has removed the head of a group charged with overseeing the $2 trillion coronavirus package passed by Congress last month.

Fine has worked under both Republican and Democratic administrations, serving for more than a decade as the inspector general at the Department of Justice. He joined the Department of Defense's Office of Inspector General in 2015.

well see how long the new guy last or why the old guy was let go?

The old guy was probably given the boot because he wasn’t a boot licker
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Pete F. 04-21-2020 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1191338)
Ask yourself again, Bitchslappedboy.
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You’re sure you want to play this game
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Sea Dangles 04-21-2020 03:41 PM

What is a liberal fool?

Exhibit A: Bitchslappedboy asking questions that get zero interest and then quoting the rhetorical bs he thinks is too challenging for anybody with enough common sense to show no interest.
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PaulS 04-21-2020 03:56 PM

Then why don't you debate him like an adult. It should be fun to watch
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Pete F. 04-21-2020 04:55 PM

Revenge is a dish best served cold.
It will come, I asked if he was sure.
Apparently he is.
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Sea Dangles 04-21-2020 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1191382)
Then why don't you debate him like an adult. It should be fun to watch
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It couldn’t possibly be more fun than I have here on a daily basis.
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Sea Dangles 04-21-2020 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191386)
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
It will come, I asked if he was sure.
Apparently he is.
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Revenge implies you have been offended or scorned.
My sincere apologies Bitchslappedboy.
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Sea Dangles 04-21-2020 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191365)
You’re sure you want to play this game
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This is NOT a question Bitchslappedboy.
Liberal fool
Intellectual midge
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Pete F. 04-21-2020 08:57 PM

OK, Genius
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Nebe 04-21-2020 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191398)
OK, Genius
41°38'19" N

Careful when arguing with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.
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Sea Dangles 04-22-2020 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191398)
OK, Genius
41°38'19" N

It doesn’t take genius to figure out you have no clue what comprises a question. You simply lack common sense.,
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Sea Dangles 04-22-2020 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1191399)
Careful when arguing with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.
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Back in the fray?
I won’t tell Bart.
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Nebe 04-22-2020 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1191405)
Back in the fray?
I won’t tell Bart.
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Nope. I’m being careful :rotfl:
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Pete F. 09-09-2020 12:12 PM

Remember this thread from March

Something appears to have delayed the White House press briefing today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-I5dcEK_wg

detbuch 09-09-2020 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1200466)
Remember this thread from March

Something appears to have delayed the White House press briefing today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-I5dcEK_wg

Old news. Everybody knows that Trump downplayed it, just as did the Dems and the press and the medical experts on our coronavirus response team, including Fauci and Birx. There was an admitted attempt to prevent a panic, while, in actuality, all was being done to try to keep the effects of the virus contained as much as possible.

Fauci has publicly stated he couldn't imagine seeing anyone doing more than the coronavirus response team that Trump created. And that, during those months, Trump did everything that Fauci asked him, .

Pete F. 09-09-2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1200493)
Old news. Everybody knows that Trump downplayed it, just as did the Dems and the press and the medical experts on our coronavirus response team, including Fauci and Birx. There was an admitted attempt to prevent a panic, while, in actuality, all was being done to try to keep the effects of the virus contained as much as possible.

Fauci has publicly stated he couldn't imagine seeing anyone doing more than the coronavirus response team that Trump created. And that, during those months, Trump did everything that Fauci asked him, .

“I take no responsibility at all”

He really could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and you would rationalize it
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detbuch 09-09-2020 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1200494)
“I take no responsibility at all”

You know that he said that regarding the failure of the CDC to produce a new test for the virus. And the FDA procedures that required that rather than using the WHO test already available. It took the Trump administration to overcome FDA regs in order to speed up the process of allowing private research companies to help in production of viable tests.

But you keep repeating the quote as if Trump took no responsibility at all in responding to the virus. Obviously, he took on a lot of responsibility. Of course, you must paint even that as a failure.
But you know you're falsely using the quote to frame Trump as the boogie man, the orange man bad nonsense. And, like the good propagandist, you will keep doing it. Did he, as you keep repeating, say that NAZIs are very fine people?


He really could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and you would rationalize it

No. I would wait for the evidence. No doubt . . . actually . . . NO DOUBT . . . you would not wait, but immediately proclaim him to be a murderer.

Pete F. 09-09-2020 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1200498)
No. I would wait for the evidence. No doubt . . . actually . . . NO DOUBT . . . you would not wait, but immediately proclaim him to be a murderer.

He’s on tape
You can listen to him on February 7th say it kills 5%, is way worse than the flu and is transmitted through the air.
He had indoor rallies after that, denied it existed or would just go away.
He made a conscious choice to tell the American people otherwise, attack people who tried to warn.
He’s responsible for 80% of the COVID-19 deaths resulting from his lying
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Pete F. 09-09-2020 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1200498)
No. I would wait for the evidence. No doubt . . . actually . . . NO DOUBT . . . you would not wait, but immediately proclaim him to be a murderer.

“Murphy refused to modify intelligence assessments so that they more closely aligned with Trump's rhetoric about Antifa and other groups, telling Wolf and Cuccinelli that he would only report accurate information as collected by DHS.”
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detbuch 09-09-2020 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1200508)
He’s on tape
You can listen to him on February 7th say it kills 5%, is way worse than the flu and is transmitted through the air.
He had indoor rallies after that, denied it existed or would just go away.
He made a conscious choice to tell the American people otherwise, attack people who tried to warn.
He’s responsible for 80% of the COVID-19 deaths resulting from his lying
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Did Trump know more about it than Fauci and the WHO? They, as well as, here we go again, as well as the Press, the media, the Dems, who also played it down. Did Trumps response team not perform as well as Fauci said they did. Playing it down verbally while doing the best medically and on the ground can go hand in hand, the first avoiding a panic, the second actually doing what is necessary to fight the virus.

China is responsible for 100% of the COVID-19 deaths.

Pete F. 09-09-2020 09:56 PM

Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding
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detbuch 09-09-2020 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1200516)
Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding
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This is the proverbial making a mountain out of a molehill.

Pete F. 09-09-2020 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1200517)
This is the proverbial making a mountain out of a molehill.

200 thousand dead is a mountain

Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc countries rally around leaders in times of crises usually...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc the country rallies around leaders in times of crises ...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit from that solely bc of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,hed be walking into reelection from that solely because of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,he’d be walking into reelection.
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detbuch 09-09-2020 11:18 PM

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200 thousand dead is a mountain

Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc countries rally around leaders in times of crises usually...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc the country rallies around leaders in times of crises ...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit from that solely bc of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,hed be walking into reelection from that solely because of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,he’d be walking into reelection.
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100 thousand is a mountain. Two million is a mountain. There were "expert" predictions of over two million deaths in the U.S. if the virus was not handled. I wasn't referring to the numbers mountain.

Several of the other countries had worse death ratios than the U.S., yet their leaders saw a bump in approval ratings. Interesting.

Pete F. 09-10-2020 08:06 AM

Tweety’s latest tweet
Kim Jong Un is in good health. Never underestimate him!

At least we found someone whose health the President cares about
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wdmso 09-10-2020 08:34 AM

The right is already trying
Sean Hannity claims Biden, Democrats downplayed coronavirus while Trump took action
'The Biden campaign didn't even release an official response on the pandemic until March 11'

Some one should tell Hannity that being the President and Trying to become president. Do not remotely have the same level of duties and responsibilities..
Biden
But I want to take a moment to say it’s not a time to panic about coronavirus, but coronavirus is a serious public health challenge.”

TRUMP Its going to just dissappear or Trump Falsely Claims ‘99 Percent’ of Virus Cases Are ‘Totally Harmless’
Or his finest. It is what it is'


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