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capesams 01-19-2004 09:40 PM

surfster lips
 
I just got off the phone with #^&#^&#^&#^& from moore's lures..he said he needs atleast 5 surfster lips to get a mold an stamp out...now the thing is we need to know how many people here an at other sites would like to buy them an how many lips they may want..it takes alot of $$ to make these[stamps] these days...if there's enough interest in them, he'll go ahead an have them made. talk to your bud's, spread the word....we need to know. he's looking for number's.....

ps. these will be made of heavy guage sst.

MAC 01-19-2004 09:48 PM

If they are the same as the CCB ones; size and thickness, I'd be good for 100.

capesams 01-19-2004 09:51 PM

if he get's 5 org. one's they will be...the west coast is looking for them too...he has one now, needs 4 more.....if he get's aleast 500 in order's he go ahead with it.

Nebe 01-19-2004 09:51 PM

I'd pick up 25 at the very least.

MAC 01-19-2004 09:52 PM

I have an original lip I would sacrifice:crying:

capesams 01-19-2004 09:53 PM

also told him this is a far better site than over there[ he'll be looking in here now that he know's about sb.

capesams 01-19-2004 09:54 PM

good man...I don't care what they say.

Nebe 01-19-2004 09:59 PM

Funny, I talked to him this morning too :D

Slipknot 01-19-2004 10:51 PM

30-50 for me :)

I thought someone else had some in the works also???

I like #^&#^&#^&#^&, real nice guy :btu: hope it goes thru

capesams 01-19-2004 11:08 PM

you can't have just one football team, takes two teams to make a game.

capesams 01-19-2004 11:10 PM

up too 200 lips now:D ...need 3 more org. lips an we're off an running.

Canalman 01-19-2004 11:13 PM

I'd be a regular buyer... Capesams.. if you want the one you sent me back now just say the word.

-Dave

Nebe 01-19-2004 11:16 PM

why does he need more than one:confused:

l.i.fish.in.vt 01-19-2004 11:27 PM

i would be in for at least 25,

capesams 01-19-2004 11:38 PM

the machine shop said they need aleast 5 to copy..one to flatten out...he didn't get into deep details.


cman.....if you don't need it anymore..yes, but if your going to keep tying hang onto it for now.

bspice13 01-19-2004 11:40 PM

Count me in for 40 to 50.:D

Diamond Tackle 01-20-2004 12:06 AM

thanks for the vote of confidence steve . so this is like the super bowl of lipmaking now?
:confused:

Canalman 01-20-2004 01:05 AM

CS.. check PMs

UserRemoved1 01-20-2004 07:31 AM

Capesams why go to Moores when you got a board member who can do the same thing, better job, and probably a better price? Move this to the grump forum I'm gittin warmed up :smash:

MAC 01-20-2004 07:53 AM

As long as the lips are an exact copy; size ,guage, weight. I don't care who makes them. If they are too thin they are useless. The lip is where this lure gets its weight on front. The "specials" or "7400L" were also loaded in the rear.

capesams 01-20-2004 07:55 AM

I'm not getting into a spittin match here.. other's have asked for for different supplyer's. not everyone shops at the same store. so don't shoot the messager.

Diamond Tackle 01-20-2004 08:00 AM

thanks salty, but dont get too involved. Im getting that "not wanted feeling" around here. maybe cause im "joisey",or whatever. its a free country.
hope moores makes what you guys need.they are a big company, im one guy trying to make an honest living at what i love to do. I live,breathe and dream about striper fishing every single day just like you guys.
just remember i never asked for any 500 minimum order guarentee from anyone before risking my $ to make this dye.
and noone works for free as far as i know
like i said, whatever floats your boat.

UserRemoved1 01-20-2004 08:02 AM

nope no pissin match Steve, just wonderin why not support a board member instead of goin to Moores. John's a good guy and does great work. I don't care I got eyes :p

capesams 01-20-2004 08:10 AM

I know he does an when I need something he has I'll buy it....just like u have silver eye's, but don't have gold, so I go off to store # 2 to get gold an not silver.:p

MAC 01-20-2004 08:14 AM

Tinman, that's not it at all. I use your lips on some of my pikies and they work great. It is just that when we posted a few days ago about what guage they were going to be you said like 22 guage (?) Isn't this the same guage as your pikie2 lip? If so this is going to be too thin for the surfster lips. I would hate to see you make a few thousand in this light guage and not be able to sell them. I don't have a micrometer handy to check my surfster lip but I would bet it is probably 18 or maybe 20 guage. If you can make them same guage I would be more than happy to buy them thru you. I don't care about the mirror finish, the finish like your other lips is great.

Diamond Tackle 01-20-2004 08:17 AM

Capesams.
IF thats truly the case then FINE.. settled.. First one that brings this to market at the right quality, at the right price, gets the sale.
If there is something else bothering you , then I hope you can at least tell me what it is. You did not repond to one of my pms for like a month,and it was important to me that the item did not get lost in the mail, i would have felt responsible. Thats what made me think there was more to this.
end of story.. im good with that...
proceed with your 500 order...
i dont want to hijack this thread..




Quote:

Originally posted by capesams
I know he does an when I need something he has I'll buy it....just like u have silver eye's, but don't have gold, so I go off to store # 2 to get gold an not silver.:p

l.i.fish.in.vt 01-20-2004 08:28 AM

Tinman, i guess i missed your post on surfster lips. didn't know you were going to make them. if you can make them the way people want i am sure they will sell. the talk about Moores making them has been going on longer than i have seen your name around. i think most of the people on this board have dealt with Moores and like the service and the man behind the service.curios as to what else you sell.

Diamond Tackle 01-20-2004 08:32 AM

Thanks Newell
And I certainly appreciate that very very much. If you guys would kindly re read that post you will notice I said .032" thick,, my pikie Z lips are only .020 thick. The .032" is THE EXACT THICKNESS OF AN ORIGINAL SURFSTER LIP & plenty thick. In fact I had the stainless specially shipped from feaking california, cause i could not find it anywhere else here . At $2 a pound,and thats 500 #'s. If you guys want to see a picture of it, im sure I can arrange it. I dont want to get into #s here, but I risked this $ gladly, and my bro and i are here trying to figure out the ABSOL LOWEST price we can get these to you guys. But u know what, if moores can beat my price and quality, you SHOULD buy from him ant not me, I would do the same if i were you.

Quote:

Originally posted by Newell Guy
Tinman, that's not it at all. I use your lips on some of my pikies and they work great. It is just that when we posted a few days ago about what guage they were going to be you said like 22 guage (?) Isn't this the same guage as your pikie2 lip? If so this is going to be too thin for the surfster lips. I would hate to see you make a few thousand in this light guage and not be able to sell them. I don't have a micrometer handy to check my surfster lip but I would bet it is probably 18 or maybe 20 guage. If you can make them same guage I would be more than happy to buy them thru you. I don't care about the mirror finish, the finish like your other lips is great.

MAC 01-20-2004 08:37 AM

Sounds good to me. I am a carpenter and not a millwright, so I probably confused the numbers. My bad

Slipknot 01-20-2004 08:37 AM

LIGHTENUP ALL OF YOU ;)

For those who don't know, the Moore's surfster lip idea has been going around for a year now, we discussed this before and I guess it's finally about to get off the ground. I didn't realize he was going to need 5 originals, I don't own any :(
I hate colorado blades and would like to buy some surfster lips.
Tinman, I'm sure there are plenty of people that will be inerested in buying them, I know Steve well enough to think that there is nothing personal. Competition is good for everyone. I bought some of your lips and think the quaulity is fine and the price seems right. I don't think your assuming there is a Joisey attitude is fair.
I wish there wasn't any bickering here, this forum is about discussing building of lures to be used to catch fish with:smash:
I'm glad you are all going to let it go and move forward, thanks :btu:

Diamond Tackle 01-20-2004 09:09 AM

Thanks Slip,
Point well taken.
Great site, great people. i kinda like it here, but I am from JOISEY, so i really cant hide that.

Go Pats !!
( i know that sounds like Hillary wearing a yankee hat during the word series). but i really do hope they win.

UserRemoved1 01-20-2004 09:13 AM

Only joisy guys that make metal stuff $uck :p

:wave:

NJTackle 01-20-2004 09:26 AM

I think there is some confusion on the thickness here. Some people talk in gauge, some people in decimal. Just to clarify, here is a gauge/decimal chart:

18 - .0478
19 - .0418
20 - .0359
21 - .0329
22 - .0299
23 - .0269

What thickness do YOU guys feel the lip should be made of? The 'sample' I have is 21 gauge.

Diamond Tackle 01-20-2004 09:32 AM

Get lost , you bum!



Quote:

Originally posted by NJTackle
I think there is some confusion on the thickness here. Some people talk in gauge, some people in decimal. Just to clarify, here is a gauge/decimal chart:

18 - .0478
19 - .0418
20 - .0359
21 - .0329
22 - .0299
23 - .0269

What thickness do YOU guys feel the lip should be made of? The 'sample' I have is 21 gauge.


UserRemoved1 01-20-2004 09:37 AM

He's truin to hijack da thread :smash:

Quote:

Originally posted by Tinman
Get lost , you bum!

Nebe 01-20-2004 10:34 AM

Tin Man
I'm, in the same boat as l.i.fish.in.vt.... I didnt know that NJTackle was in the process of making a die.... NJTackle has been very good to me and If I do buy a couple lips somewhere else, that doesnt mean you are going to loose all of my buisiness. Maybe I'll need hooks, mabe I'll need lead, maybe I'll need gromets....maybe i'll need lips of another style...

I'm still going to be a steady customer.

NJTackle 01-20-2004 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tinman
Get lost , you bum!
Hey TinBoy! Don't you have some tin to spin or something? Keep the designing to me - you take care of the packaging!

:hihi:

capesams 01-20-2004 01:37 PM

txs. slip ,,I just got home fa lunch, freggin cold working outside...org. thickness is a must in this case...an the fact that there's only one size an shape for this plug.....who's making lip's for the org. pike's....cap'n bill's..atom's an others ..no one....every thing is an off shoot.....this maybe well for other's , but when your trying to make an org. anything to specks ...odd lips just don't cut it no matter who makes them............I for one don't give a hoot as to where anyone live's it has nothing to do with getting the right parts for what your doing.

tinman ...no one I know of encluding myself is trying to oust you out or give you a bad rep.....I did pm you after I got out of bed from being sick for weeks at x-mass time....again txs for the pkg. you sent me.

Krispy 01-20-2004 01:41 PM

:spam: :p

Krispy 01-20-2004 01:44 PM

Anyone need thinner guage orig. pikie lips? :D


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