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Nebe 09-15-2004 12:58 PM

What john Kerry had to say today
 
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We know the truth. George Bush's failed record is the result of George Bush's failed policies. And he chose time and again to do nothing to improve our economy or ease the burden on middle class families. In fact, nearly every choice has made it worse. You can even say that George Bush is proud of the fact that not even failure can cause him to change his mind. This is the man who promised his tax cuts would create 6 million new jobs. Today, three tax cuts later, we've lost a million -- seven million jobs short of his prediction. To George Bush, stubborn leadership is steady leadership. But as far as I'm concerned, George Bush's failures are the result of misplaced values and wrong choices that always give more and more to those with the most and tells the middle-class "you are not the priority."
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How true
:D

RIJIMMY 09-15-2004 01:06 PM

Easy to persuade the public with misplaced figures. Kerry's plan is......? I guess he left that part out.

Surfcastinglife 09-15-2004 01:07 PM

kerry's plan is 2 fail and then say he was against it from the start ;P or he was against it before he was for it.
bush's plan is to let cheney handle it :D

RIJIMMY 09-15-2004 01:11 PM

I can't wait... I wonder how many times Kerry will mention Vietnam?

First presidential debate:
Thursday, September 30
University of Miami
Coral Gables, FL

Vice presidential debate:
Tuesday, October 5
Case Western Reserve University
Cleveland, OH


Second presidential debate:
Friday, October 8
Washington University
in St. Louis

Third presidential debate:
Wednesday, October 13
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ

"uffah!!" 09-15-2004 01:52 PM

What John Kerry has to say
 
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John Kerry keeps on saying the same old $hit over and over and over and over and over again. He never say just what he'll do,
except for the fact , that he would do things different. Not better,
just different. How can anyone vote for someone that won't say exactly what he's going to do. He's the Biggest A$$HOLE on the face of this earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

spence 09-15-2004 01:54 PM

Funny, I don't seem to have a problem understanding Kerry. Perhaps you're just not listening?

-spence

likwid 09-15-2004 02:10 PM

Re: What John Kerry has to say
 
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Originally posted by "uffah!!"
John Kerry keeps on saying the same old $hit over and over and over and over and over again. He never say just what he'll do,
Wow, I think a year or so ago we heard the same crap over and over about WMD's but they never turned up now did they?

"uffah!!" 09-15-2004 02:15 PM

"What John Kerry has to say"
 
Thats because W listened to the A$$HOLES that were left over
from the Clinton administration that he didn't replace. Now there
the one that are doing the most complaining. Whats that old
saying? "Every dog smells his own $hit first"

Navy Chief 09-15-2004 02:23 PM

You may understand what Kerry says today.

Trying to figure out what it will mean tomarrow is the problem.

likwid 09-15-2004 02:31 PM

Thats right uffah... keep dodging blame. :D

chris L 09-15-2004 02:51 PM

vote lever D " NONE OF THE ABOVE "

KLMulder 09-15-2004 02:51 PM

I just went to Kerry's web site and read thru his plan to fix all that is wrong with the country. Basically he says that the current admin is wrong and he will fix it but does not lay out a plan on how he will do it.

There was an economist on CNN a few day's ago, very interesting. He was a liberal so you can stop the BS about him lying. According to him he has gone thru Kerry's numbers for all the plans he has stated he will put in place and the money it will cost. For every one of the plans Kerry said he would pay for them by repealing the Bush tax cut's. Well according to Kerry's number's the plans he will put in place will cost 5 time's more then he said repealing the tax cut's will bring in. What I want to know is where will this extra cash come from? Also I keep hearing about the great plans he has and that he will do it right but no one can lay them out. Is it some big secret? Is it only released to Dem's? If he is so great why can't someone tell me what he will do, how he will do it, and how he will pay for it? I have asked some of these thing's before and gotten a bunch of BS about how bad Bush is, if that is all you can post don't bother, maybe you should take that time and find out where your candidate really stands on the issues if that is possible.

Thank You
KL

RIJIMMY 09-15-2004 03:00 PM

Been listening to Imus lately, a month ago he was a Kerry supporter, now he is undecided. He says Kerry is a big liar, making empty campaign promises.
Appartly Imus interviewed Kerry this am and asked what his plan was to get out of Iraq, Kerry responed, why dont you ask Pres Bush what HIS plan is.
That is not an appropriate response from someone looking to be pres of the US. I missed the interview but Imus was talking about it with Lou Dobbs afterwards.

Surfcastinglife 09-15-2004 03:07 PM

there is one candidate this election. george w bush, the other guy is just gona sit there and criticize his policies without having any of his own. he expected to lose to dean, he never made plans to be pres. if he gets elected WE ARE ALL F*&^%$.
and fyi no im not a bush supporter, i think hes an imbecile

Jimbo 09-15-2004 03:48 PM

Wait! Last Minute Presidential and VP Candidates
 
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But wait, there's still a chance for to vote in a candidate other than Dubya or Kerry for the presidency. These guys come as a pair, rarely sling anything heavier than 4 oz (not mud, generally wood rubber or metal), their only controversy over battle would be who won the last rock fight they had with each other, and if elected there will be no need for a barber on the White House Staff, although the savings from that salary will probably just about cover their liquor bill for the four year term. I give you your next President and Vice Presidential hopefuls...

KLMulder 09-15-2004 03:51 PM

After reading some of the post's from that pair, if they are elected all I have to say is GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!:laughs:

Skip N 09-15-2004 03:53 PM

The people who will vote for Kerry on Nov. will not do so because they like him...Its becuase for whatever reason they have this burning hatred for Bush. Wish they could take some of that hatred and put it towards the real enemy were are facing now. Radical islam terroists. Bush is not the evil one like the left likes to make you think. And yes. i have not heard Kerry say that much what he will do. He seems to spend most of him time bashing W. I dont know if thats enough to get him elected:smash:

slapshot 09-15-2004 05:26 PM

if thats not enough to get him elected, he also got a bunch of medals. He was in vietnam:confused: :smash:

Skip N 09-15-2004 05:33 PM

Thats right...Kerry has to be elected becuase he served in Vietnam:rolleyes: But Bill Clinton hid in Canada and he got elected. me confused at how liberals think:confused:

KLMulder 09-15-2004 05:41 PM

Don't worry skip they don't know ether.

Nebe 09-15-2004 05:43 PM

:hs:

Skip N 09-15-2004 05:46 PM

Don't worry skip they don't know ether.

so true!:D I meen if Kerry is the typical liberal then they change thier minds on a daily basis about issues. Ah the left....they do amuse me thats for sure!:laughs:

green meanie 09-15-2004 05:52 PM

kerry
 
just wants to turn the USA into england!

i for one like to live in the USA thats why i am here. if i wanted england rules i would move.

Nebe 09-15-2004 05:53 PM

:topic: :mad:

KLMulder 09-15-2004 06:00 PM

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Here is one for ya

KLMulder 09-15-2004 06:00 PM

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I want a pair of these.

Skip N 09-15-2004 06:35 PM

:laughs:

Nebe 09-15-2004 06:50 PM

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:confused:

KLMulder 09-15-2004 06:56 PM

Come on Eben they have established that is a doctored photo. Need I bring out the pick of Clinton looking thru binoculars with the lens cap on? That was documented the story from the press that went with it said he looked a long time at the thing that were being pointed out to him saying yup I see it.

spence 09-15-2004 07:24 PM

Cute pictures. Can you guys actually articulate one of Kerry's alleged flip flops, or are you just believing what you're told?

-spence

Skip N 09-15-2004 07:29 PM

He voted for the war in iraq before he voted againstv it whver the hell that meens:smash: Not to long ago he said after all the stuff he new about iraq he still would have voted to go to war...yet recently he has been saying bush lied about all the circumstances leading to the war. Wich one is it???!! Did he support the use of force like he said....or does he not support the use of force like he said? cant have it both ways Johney:smash:

spence 09-15-2004 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Skip N
He voted for the war in iraq before he voted againstv it whver the hell that meens. Not to long ago he said after all the stuff he new about iraq he still would have voted to go to war...yet recently he has been saying bush lied about all the circumstances leading to the war. Wich one is it???!! Did he support the use of force like he said....or does he not support the use of force like he said? cant have it both ways
Well, Kerry never really said he would have still voted to go to war, he said he would still vote to give the President the authority so he would have that option.

There is a subtle difference that is very important. If you remember the context back then, the hawks in the administration were telling the President to just invade and screw the UN. The President went before Congress and promised to go to the UN, build a coalition like in Desert Storm, and put a war vote before the UN. In return the President asked for the approval of Congress to use force, the idea being for the UN process to work there must be a real threat of war behind it.

Kerry was a huge proponent if holding Saddam accountable, but he also insisted it be done properly. The reality is that Bush abandoned the UN process when it became clear we didn't have the evidence to justify the threat as was laid out. Bush didn't build a strong coalition and didn't put the war vote before the UN as promised. Bush did mislead the country on Iraq.

So Kerry isn't really trying to have it both ways, it's just that your opinion of the situation has been formed not by Kerry, but by Bush. They have done a brilliant job of twisting his record and Kerry has done a terrible job of fighting back.

The Bush Administration took a risk that we could remove Saddam with a moderate force and get out quickly. They were wrong at just about every turn. Even today they don't talk about the violence much, even though our troops are being attacked and are dying every day. They don't talk about how the violence is getting worse every day. They insist the Generals in Iraq arn't asking for more troops, when in reality they are. They don't talk about the fact that the new Iraqi Government is not seen as legitimate. They won't discuss how we're not really giving Iraq Democracy as that would instantly lead to a Shiite majority. They don't talk about the fact the estimated number of insurgents has nearly quadrupeled in the past 6 months. They don't talk about the fact that they have yet to train very many Iraqi police and military, but they do say they've fully trained over 200,000 which is a lie Joe Biden exposed this week.

This isn't pessimisim, it's reality. Things in Iraq are not going well and it's directly related to our invading without planning, without International support and without enough troops. Saddam did need to be held accountable, but there was no urgency that said we had to go that spring. UN sanctions and the no fly zones had removed most of Saddam's ability to even think about WMD and the links to al Qaida were of no substance to be any threat.

All this time we could have using our military and economic might to combat real and urgent dangers from terrorisim. Working to better sucure our ports, our borders and our airlines. Working to combat the spread of radical Islam and the ability of al Qaida cells to regroup. Working to end nuclear proliferation in North Korea and Iran.

Instead we went chasing after non-existant WMD's in Iraq and perhaps to settle an old score. How many Administration insiders have come forth and said that Bush and Cheney were completely absorbed with Iraq from Sept 12th on? Lots...

The real motivation for Iraq is the neo-conservative idea that we can win the war on terror through direct American leadership (i.e. military domination). Some might say transform the Middle East by "spreading democracy". The major flaw in this idea is that it's A - extremely imperialistic and B - extremely stupid. The preisdent has chosen to spread Democracy not by extending the hand of Lady Liberty, but by packaging Democracy inside 2000 pounds of high explosives. As long as we are seen as the invaders, every bomb we drop and every round we fire will create more insurgents and a larger recruitment pool for al Qaida.

To win Iraq we need to leave. We can't just cut and run obviously, but we must have a clear plan to remove the American face from the occupation. Internationalization will help tremendously, as will active Arab and Islamic participation from neighbors. We must provide an incentive for our allies to provide troops and invest in the rebuilding of Iraq. Not give no-bid contracts to Halliburton and tell the rest of the UN they don't get to participate because they didn't support us when we walked away from the UN.

John Kerry understands this, Bush doesn't.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the President's priorities are not where they should be.

-spence

Nebe 09-15-2004 09:07 PM

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

Spence, I would have said that word for word...

basswipe 09-15-2004 09:18 PM

Wah cry the libs.Same old sh*t different day.

spence 09-15-2004 09:22 PM

Basswipe, thanks for the heartfelt retort.

Do you even know what a liberal is ?

-spence

Nebe 09-15-2004 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by spence
Basswipe, thanks for the heartfelt retort.

Do you even know what a liberal is ?

-spence

better yet how about a 'neo-conservative'... these guys are making the liberals look conservative:hihi:

TheSpecialist 09-16-2004 12:51 AM

Spence not for nothing but if you were senator, and you were dead set against the war, would you really have voted to give the president the authority to go? You Rhody guys should take a lesson from us M#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s, if we don't trust the guy why should you? The guy is a scam artist. He had a stock portfolio at the beggining of his campaign that did not have one AMERICAN Company in it. When he got wind that someone was going to break a story about it, he quickly liquidated what he had , and started buying stock in American companies. If the polls said we should hang Clinton, Kerry would bring the rope, and then tell evryone that Bill brought it himself. At least Bush has the guts to go in one direction, and stand by his decisions, good or bad.


Oh, by the way the state legislators are crying about Romney doing some campaign stuff for GW. Apparently they did not want him to speak in NY, or anywhere else, he should be here doing his job. Yet they fully support Kerry campaigning, and not attending to his senatorial duties. Kerry should have resigned once he got the nod. Another democratic double standard.

spence 09-16-2004 06:08 AM

Kerry's by no means perfect, but I do believe he understands how to solve some fundamental problems.

Bush doesn't change direction period. He would drive off a cliff rather than hit the brakes. This is extremely reckless and makes you wonder what his real motivations are.

As much as a scam artist you might think Kerry is, I've seen what a scam artist Bush has been as President the past 4 years. In just about every facet of policy he has said one thing and done another.

-spence

KLMulder 09-16-2004 09:10 AM

I still have not seen anyone state his position other that bashing Bush and saying he would do it better!!!

Nebe 09-16-2004 09:37 AM

When you've got a president that's this bad in office, it really doesnt matter what the otherguy stands for.. I'd vote in Alfred E Newman over bush anyday....


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