did you watch the debate
 

:o no need to reply to this just vote.

I support Pres B, but I truly thought the debate stunk. No real new points or new clear goals from either side. i thought Sen K finally made some points and was clear on his position. I think Bush was on the defensive when he had a lot of ops to turn it around. For style and presentation, Sen K won. For substance, direction and believeability - it was a tie. IMHO.

Didn't watch, don't plan on watching.

Debate's not going to change my mind as to who I'm voting for.

"THE DEBATE"
 

"DEBATE"

I totally agree. kerry finally looked like he had his act together and was on the attack. George wasn't enjoying it too much if you watched his face.
i disagree on the tie... Kerry won that one if you go by the fact that he sayed cool while W acted pretty whimpery a few times.

Not one of W's best performances i will admit. I thought Kerry Looked better and sounded better but W's message still destroyed Kerrys. I doubt anyone will change their mind over a single debate. You could tell W sooooo wanted to jump all over Kerry after all the crap he said. He did look kinda ripped. But i dont blame him for that:D

its the mark of a man whos lost an argument when he resorts to violence. bush was unable to keep up with kerry and looked about rdy to "jump all over him" as skip n just said. is that really the type u want leading ur country? is he gona "jump all over" nk 2?

I think Bush was just frustrated because his debate coach probably told him to not stray beyond the rehearsed lines. Kerry clearly put Bush on his heels for a good portion of the debate and Bush was unable to articulate a response many times.

It was much more dynamic than I had expected.

The fact that we have a president that can't pronounce nuclear, calls terrorists "folks" and is unable to string together more than 4 words without rehearsal is an embarrasment to our country.

-spence

Ditto

i also loved bush on pre-emptive war " the enemy attacked us"
and sen kerr.y reponse "osama bin laden attacked us saddam hussein did not attack us"
:laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

SPence, The fact that we have a president that can't pronounce nuclear, calls terrorists "folks" and is unable to string together more than 4 words without rehearsal is an embarrasment to our country

- he graduated Harvard and Yale and can fly a jet fighter.

Doesn't mean He's a bright guy.

My issue is this. Bush didn't seem like he had any ability to formulate a response to K3rry's attacks, He could only recite canned lines. At times he would say the same thing over and over muttering and stumbling. Several times Bush's retort had nothing at all to do with the question.

It's not that He just isn't an articluate speaker, I don't believe Bush has a real understanding of the issues or an ability to think critically. Many times I've given Bush the benefit of doubt on this issue, but last night scared me to death. This guy has the football :err:

-spence

Many times I've given Bush the benefit of doubt on this issue, but last night scared me to death. This guy has the football

- and most Americans still want him to be Pres and even after the debate believe he is the better leader based on the polls


I'm going to quit now before I/we get in trouble....;)

Stop all this Bush Vs, Kerry stuff before JohnR axes us all!!!:laughs:

I can't help it :smash: :laughs:

-spence

Bush is soooo much better in a relaxed envirement...If you see him out giving speaches and talking with the people he blows Kerry away. Just something about the debate format that doesnt bring out the best in him. Just relax W and kick ass like you normaly do. I still take Bush's policy no question over Kerrys...but he just didnt look smooth on his delivery of his info. Good info and good arguments...Just didnt look like the W im used to:confused: Just one of them nights i guess...Im curious to see if the debate had any effect in the national polls....Not the ones from last night but a week down the road. I doubt there will be much change...maybe a slight jump for johney. See this people, I can be objective when it comes to politics!!!:D

"I can't help it "

Your not the only one spence!
:D

I cant help it either!
Skip, the next debate format is supposed to be more realxed, town hall type, we'll see how GW and JK do.
I used to hate this stiff now I love it. I am a geek.

The look on Bush's face explained it all... I guess Kerry brought up some topics that that the Bush campaign didn't rehearse. Bush's defense was to overemphasize on the fact that we had allies no matter how many troops they actually were, and that attacking Saddam Hussein is the best thing to do. What about North Korea and Iran? I guess the war on Saddam distracted our focus on these countries making nu"clear":rolleyes: weapons.

To be honest, Kerry had this one in the bag. Let's hope Bush is well prepared for the next one.:kewl:

We had another President that had a degree in nuclear physics from Annapolis, who pronounced it "nook-ular" too, and who still calls terrorists freedom fighters. Good ol' Jimmah.

Ike couldn't pronounce it either.

Good point Mike, but at least Carter and Ike could string a sentence together :laughs:

-spence

Skip you're killing me :laughs:

The "something" about the debate format is the debate!

Did you know that Bush has been requiring campaign stop listeners to be registered republicans and even sign an oath of loyalty?

It's one thing to preach to the choir, it's entirely another thing to have your ideas challenged and be prepared to defend them.

-spence

If you were unimformed on the issues Kerry won, if you were informed Bush won...in the following week the true results will come.

I dunno Spence, a lot of the intellectual left in the 50s thought that Ike was a buffoon.

The Democrats had one of the most intelligent, eloquent and urbane candidates ever in Adlai Stevenson, who had all the personality of a block of cement. It killed the egg heads that Ike blew his ass off twice.

"If you were unimformed on the issues Kerry won, if you were informed Bush won...in the following week the true results will come"

Ummm...I'd say its more like: If you have a half a brain, you know Kerry won the debate. He might not have won your vote, but he did win the debate.

Also, I'm about as informed as one gets in these matters, and I thought Kerry demolished Bush last night. I don't see how being informed makes a difference. One candidate presented a plan, and one said absolutely nothing of substance.

Don you took the words right out of my mouth..:)

Likwid posted a few month back that "Us intlelegent people want our country back" About 90% of my friends who read the newspaper every day and pay attention to world events cant stand Bush... Then there are some of my friends who watch way too many action movies and have this twisted idea from these movies that violence is the answer to all problems, think W is gods gift to democracy :smash:
Kerry did a great job last night... W was a whimpering idiot

Eben, I know its just a typo, but it was still good for a laugh :hihi:

:smash:


DURRRRR:gf: :angel: :faga:


good to see you today toooooonoc :D

" About 90% of my friends who read the newspaper every day and pay attention to world events cant stand Bush"


You must be reading that liberal NY times or the Projo:smash: :D I dont recall the last positive story about Bush.

This is kinda off topic but thought it was kinda interseting and something for the left to get annoyed with! I heard for the last quarter in ratings that FoxNews beat CNN,MSNBC,CNN Headline news all combined. Possible change in the American mindset? God i hope so!! Just something that kinda seemed fascinating to me.

"Skip you're killing me"

Thats my job on here Spence! Hey, Bush had a crappy night and i was trying my best to help my buddy out!! Thankfully he has two left to get his act together.

hate to say it but these debates will really show us what these 2 guys are really like. You hear propaganda from both sides, and anyone can stand up behind a podium and give a speach. W has been coached and told what to say by so many people that his doesnt know up form down some times, and so has the senator but these debates will bring out who these guys really are.

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it was a 4th grade debate for both of them LOL..

i really think PRES BUSH was trying to be the bigger man and not play bitch slap games like kerry likes to.

if kerry has a plan why didnt he mention it? we know he was in vietnam we dont need to hear it anymore jees :smash:

WRONG
 

its the idiots who watch MTV who will vote for KERRY.

and the spinless that are afraid of a draft that will never happen.

ummm whatever:rolleyes:

This is a phrase commonly used by MTV watching freaks.:laughs:

MTV's target audience are 12 to 17 year olds...they don't vote.

-spence

why do you think i said that:smash:

Just haveing fun:laughs:

PS Hey Spence I was top salesman for the month.:happy:

MTV's target audience are 12 to 17 year olds...they don't vote

Trust me...Im 24 and lots of people my age and MOST college kids who are of voting age watch MTV. MTV is soooo far left that it scares me the kind of influence its having on the kids. I flipped it on the other day and there was a scene from one of their shows showing to gay dudes getting freaky(at least the stuff leading up to getting freaky) :eek: That aint right for kids. MTV if F@&@ing sick