Gas Prices
 

How much is gas in your neighborhood now?
My local staion went from $2.58-$2.86 overnight.
That's gonna hurt.
It's gonna put a dent in my fishing for sure... :mad:
How bout you guys?

2.67 for regular. now i have to pay almost 26 bucks for a full tank.

Cost me about $75 to fill my Ram, don't last long either.
I'll be selling that soon. :mad: Have to get a Yugo and turn it into a pickup.. :btu:

damn, it looks like i wont be buying a truck someday. i have to be a billg ate to own a truck and enjoy my fishing luxury

theres a gas station in town 252 plus, everywhere else has gone from 260's to over 280 for regular since katrina, glad i get 350 miles per tank

3.14@ cumbies 4 high test , my old beast of a truck needs high octane. Lets tap into our surplus supply . I also think the storm down south and the stock market plus the upcoming weekend contributed to the extream rise in price.
LINK SR

Last nite I grabbed gas for 2.67. Who knows what it will be this morning. Good thing I'm not a housewife with an unneccessary Navigator. :hihi:

was 3.25 here at the street last time I looked. Yukon XL will take $84 on a fill up. Lasts me about a month though. Now that the beach is open I suspect it will be much less now. :ss: Then you have gas for the boat, she takes about 135 gals every two weeks if I skimp on my trips. (several charter guys I know are burning about 40-60 gal/day) Most boats get about 2 mi per gal, some get less then one. I need a small nuclear reactor, initial cost is high but you can run those babies wide open for 30 years before your next fill up.

IMO, All we need to do is start pumping from from out own supply anc threaten to reduce the amount we will buy from overseas...once we do that the overseas price will fall deeply, they need our $ for oil, that is all they have. We could control the overseas price via pumping from our supply. Don't think so? What to you think would happen if we suddenly said to the Arabs, we will only need to purchase 1/2 of what we did last year...unless of course we get a favorable price then we might purchase more.

I couldn't agree more.

yessss
 

its time .....:chatter

Bush responded the other day that we can't snap our fingers and the prices will come down. It's time to tap into the domestic supply. I am sick of this country being at the mercy of A-rab controlled OPEC. Can't wait to see what home heating oil prices will be this winter! :doh:

later today
 

there will be an announcement from the Bush Administration about the
utilization of our oil reserves. they we're origionally created for emergency situations like what hurricane katrina has delivered to the oil industry.

The cumbys by my house in RI went from $2.67 to $2.90 overnight. What the hell is that? I usually fill up in MA as that is where I work. I paid $2.52 yesterday morn. I will check and see what it is today. I have a 100 mile round trip so this is going to kill me.
_Z_

can't believe that the powers that be are letting the nation get so openly fluked. how long can we just accept the unacceptable- wish it was an election year, things would be a little different.

It's funny how 'they cant snap their fingers and the price comes down' BUT one blink and they can go up in a hurry;..
$50 for my exploder gets me almost a week, if I'm fishing local, 50 gets me 3-4 days if I'm running west to fish....

Stop and Shop in Newport was 260/gal, not sure now, the proce in gansett went up 13cents yesterday; I filled in the AM at 2.67, not now :gorez:

Of course I can't find any numbers right now, but we couldn't sustain ourselves no matter how hard we tried if we only used our oil. We simply don't have the oil even if we had some serious success in offshore drilling. Also, Alaska is a waste of time, in relative terms. Just a drop in the bucket. Canada sits on a lot of oil, but most of it is very expensive to extract from the sand it is mixed with.

New technology is the future, if we ever want to escape our dependance on foreign oil. Maybe we could use our own oil but currently we consume way, way too much to think about it.

Amen to that Pete...

What amazes me about this entire conversation is the real answer, the only way to really make any difference in the short term is to STOP CONSUMING SO MUCH FREAKIN OIL!

The estimated reserve in ANWAR could be easily compensated for by a slight inclrease in MPG standards. A thoughtful and pragmatic program to reduce unecessary oil consumption in the US alone could have a major impact on Global supply. Hopefully this would give us the time to seriously investigate alternative sources and keep the lights on for a few hundred more years.

Could this mean some sacrifice? Sure, but think about it in terms of national security and economic stability and it would probably be worth it...unless of course you're Exxon Mobile and like your 25 Billion dollar yearly profit :exp:

-spence

I agree with you about our using more than we can produce but if we built some new refineries in other areas then we could keep the Alaskan oil here rather than ship it to Japan for refining. Plus why put all our eggs(refineries) in one basket(Gulf coast) when everytime you turn around they have to shut down for another hurricane and its damage!
Another item everyone who's posted seems to forget- most of the gas engines can be made, at the factory, to use fuel more efficiently if the auto makers wanted to. I was looking tobuy a new truck in the near future but I am not too crazy about the gas mileage the new ones are getting. so looks like I'll have to hang on to the one I have for awhile longer. Ron

The powers that be have huge share holdings in oil Companies....... even condy Rice has a super tanker named after her.... while we are getting fluked, the ones who have share holdings in oil Co's are laughing all the way to the bank..
If you ask me we are on the brink of a serious problem.... Bush wont do a thing to stop this.. if anything he did what ever he could to cause this. :(

Agreed............

Agreed............

[QUOTE=Nebe]The powers that be have huge share holdings in oil Companies....... even condy Rice has a super tanker named after her.... while we are getting fluked, the ones who have share holdings in oil Co's are laughing all the way to the bank..

gotta agree with nebe. i know that w's family and some other politicos' are big time into oil. i just can't stand how blatant this is. we are being told to go 'eff ourselves when they're not doing it to us.

this is why i cant stand our current administration.. i saw through them about 3 years ago. Its obvious what their real agenda is.. profits for the ultra rich and screw the common folk.
i'll stop now... :faga: :bsod:

That's the Republican way.............. :usd:

I didn't vote for the war mongering oil company bitch. People better wake up the whole country is being raped. 37 million americans living below the poverty line. How can this be happening?

Afterhours... are you seeing the light :eyes:

Spence, i think one from the other team wants to switch jerseys... do we have a 2xL???????? :jump:

homerun4 is right
 

We need nitrogen engines now, as you know the nitrogen comes from water,and has no pollution problems.
Did you hear on fox news the other night that it costs the oil co. $4.00 total to produce a barrel of refined oil. Oil was selling last night for $70.70 per barrel unrefined.Do the math the balance is profit.
It least Jimmy Carter put in an excess profit tax.

its now at a point where for me anyway , I will start really picking my nights. I cant afford to drive all over the place looking and trying things. To make it worse I went ahead and baught a GMC Pickup in april with a big v8..I must be nuts :yak4:

Costs me almost 70 bucks to fill up !

HAHAHA!!!! that is case #1 where Bush has duped the american. Hydrogen engines as you call them are fuel cells. Bush has passed a law that all funding for such technology must use OIL to power the equipment that removes the hydrogen from the water.. Ne never mentioned that publicly, he just spouted out that he was supportive for a cleaner fuel and hydrogen was the answer.

sad huh... were screwed. :(

Completely agree with what you said. Also, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than it does to produce the equivalent amount of gasoline. It is a complete sham.

Actually, I believe the funding stated the source of Hydrodgen must be natural gas, not oil...

There may still be advantages to doing this...if the fossil fuel is broken down in a factory it would be easier to control greenhouse gas emissions...

Even options like ethanol have serious issues. Politicians in the midwest love it because it's good for the local economy...but it requires tremendous amounts of energy to produce.

In the end I've seen little that indicates which alternative sources really provide a significant "net" gain when all the complexities are accounted for.

-spence

starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb. :crying:

Again.. there were millions of small business owners who were duped into a huge tax repabate if they bought a vehicle over a certian tonnage... basically a gas guzzler. well, maybe they werent duped, but you could see who would be happy... the business owner, the car maker and the oil co's... now the car owner is paying through the arse to pay for all that gas and the oil company is making all the $$$$$$

hear-hear.

While we all have opinions on how easy it is to just make the change. And I think most of us agree it is already too late and the damage should have been halted long ago. We are behind the proverbial 8-ball now and as spence pointed out - this is a complex issue with no obvious winner. The problems we have cannot all be blamed on Bush - why were there no hydrogen cars during the Clinton Admin. He had 8 years to do something about it....but there are still very few alternative fuel or even hybrid vehicles on the road.

I agree that there is definitely a conflict of interest with all the politicians with there fingers in the oil community. In my opinion there has to be something that can be done. But again, I will refer back to spence - nothing is easy.

Instead of complaining, we could all simply change our lifestyles and stop or minimize our use of foreign oil. I forgot where I read it, but some of the smaller gas station chains do not use foreign oil. All of us with big V-8s that do not require them for our work or families could down size. We could fish much closer spots. We could commute or use public transportation.

But know - we keep our oil guzzling hogs because we like them. We drive 40 miles to fish that special spot when there is local access to water in our same towns. We don't carpool or use public transportation because it is hot, cold, smells, late, early, schedule doesn't allow or because it is just inconvienent.

Then we turn around and complain that politicians simply aren't fixing our problems. When it comes to the national security - I agree we need to get off foreign oil. But if it is simply cost - suck it up and change your lifestyle. Since when did we become a nation of people who don't take matters into our own hands.

Instead of finger pointing - make your own small changes to become less dependant on foreign oil. If everyone stopped complaining and voted with their $$$ things would change. If we all sold our V-8s and bought green vehicles (bio-desiel, hybrid, natural gas), the green vehicles and the cooresponding places to fill them would become more available, with better features, etc. As long as we are willing to stand at the pump and pay $3.00/gallon and not change our habits - we are fluking ourselves.

I keep looking on ebay for a Flux Capacitor, but nuttin yet :eyes:

YUGO's
 

Fishaholic, when Clinton bombed Bosnia the yugo factory was the first to go. I remember watching the news and seeing the only thing left to the sign was the Y and it was hanging cockeyed in a sea of smoke and debris. I don't think they ever started production again.

It certianly can't all be blamed on Bush, but what does suprise me is a failure to push the issue post 9/11. How about a "Carpool for America" campaign or something??? Hell anything!

Without a doubt, the Administration's deep ties to the oil and energy industries are biasing policy decisions that in a post 9/11 world should be much more objective. This "keep shopping" mantra is only going to lead to consumer driven ruin when the shyte really hits the fan and all we can do is reflect on how much we've consumed.

-spence

middleman
 

I'll bet we find that this is the same as the Califonia energy crisis that occured in the 90's where homeowners in that state were forced to pay astonimcal sums for electricity. The government found that middlemen, buyers and sellers of energy working in the same room and sometimes for the same company were buying energy from the guys on the other side of the room in the morning and selling it back to them at an artificially inflated profits to generate sales and comissions. That's my two cents. Bush this morning released some of the government controlled oil reserves. Thats all he controls in this mess.

Flux Capacitator
 

Reel ecstasy,
Saw one the other day for sale cheap. It was listed next to a WIDGIT going half price.

Wow! So many misstatements it amazing! Nitrogen is currently the main plollutant produced by the internal combustion engine (both gas and diesel). Nitrogen does not come from water, which is one part Oxygen and two parts Hydrogen, hence the familiar H2O desgination. The "oil companies", except for those producing in the U.S., don't own the oil they produce, its generally owned by the country its in, i.e. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Venezuela. So the cost of crude on the open market has little effect on them. The only effect is that when prices go up they make an additonal profit on the oil they have in inventory. (That can be a substantial profit) The big money makers in this run up of oil prices are the producing countries, most of whom belong to OPEC and keep the supplies low. Excess profits taxes on the oil companies may make people feel good, but it won't do anything to stop the rise in prices, since the countries that are reaping the profits don't pay U.S. taxes.

WOW!! i filled my sister's car just this morning in anticipation of the higher prices and it was 2.69. just went back now to fill mine and its already 2.99!!

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