SB members only / sensative threads
 

Should there be a members only forum to move senstive / controversial threads into like say, oh I dunno, the Yo Yo thread? All one needs to be is logged into the site to see? And not something completely shared across the Net?

I think that makes sense... :eyes:

oh and it's sensItive :hihi:

I think things work pretty well as they are. I can't see people being more willing to share with the group just because everyone who will read something took two minutes to create an account and log in. There is alot of great info on hear, I know I've learned alot, but somethings just are not meant to the given away.

I agree a minimum post count should be required. What is my post count now? That should be the new minimum! :rotf2:

Seriously, maybe a minimum of like 50 posts or something??

You have so many members whats the diff? it may as well be all over the net..One way or the other the stuff will end up elseware...Yo Yo-ing is for the most part a "comm. technique" to quickly get a limit of sellable bass, it is very rarely used as a recreational way to land striped bass, one of the reasons is that a bass that swallowed one is not a good canidate to realease, for various reasons...It is just such a thread that is going to ruffle feathers and inevetably start trouble one way or the other....it will go from "how do I do it"? to "I hate comms" Its an old traditional not very talked about technique that in my opinion should stay that way....However you are in charge here...Just My .02...Lets have some decency to those old timers who have earned the right to keep that to themselves, they have for years and years and now, there is going to be a how to session on yo-yo'ing.....Just my opinion like I said,ut I would leave it alone.............Some things are best left that way.......Thos people see that here and they wont be to happy....I for one respect the "fleet" for what they do and how they do it......

If

you do it. Dont do a minimum post count. Do a date joined. Ie member for 2weeks or 6 months or whatever you decide. reason being post count will increase folks joining and posting every 5 minutes just to get the post count up.

OR

if you do set it to run with a post count. I would suggest a topic in the scuppers labeled off topic, that was any posts having to do with nonsense can be posted there..

Personally, I feel the spot burning and now technique burning thing is insane. If someone really needs/wants to find something out, they can and will with or without the internet. I would keep the forum fairly open. The temporary ruining of fishing spots does happen due to the web, but I can remember days when it was just as bad before the web. As far as techniques go, share the stuff if you want. You're not really hiding anything that someone else doesn't already know. On line you're just sharing it with strangers as opposed to actual acquaintances. The ocean isn't going to get cleaned out because someone talked about rigged eels or pogies or anything else.

Not saying I dont agree with you, however this is one of those things that is NOT talked about.....

I'm all for it.....I like the date joined idea.....I think it could be helpful.

Some guys won't like it, but then again, some guys don't like anything.

I agree with you #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&. I wouldn't post it here either, along with most everything else I do.That said, nothing I do is really rocket science, but I have been bred to maintain secrecy for the most part w/ fishers I don't know even if its something simple. If someone wants to share it online, then so be it. I won't get bent over it.

well , speculation is great....But there is only one guy here who truly knows how to yo-yo the right way...and I would bet my life he wont be giving lessons......

it doesnt matter to me, but it raises the question of what is "sensitive"? Who decides it? You just dont want to over-engineer things so that you try to make everyone happy. it will never happen

Letting certain things out is one thing, but this has nothing to do with that, this a something a small % of guys have honed over the years and earned the right to not have it talked about, they are comms. who never brag, never show pics, dont post here etc... they do it for the money and thats it, they have a techniqe that should stay with them, cause they never asked for it to be out in the first place....I cant explain any better than to say its a respect thing...I know some of those guys well, they are great people and I would not want to burn them.

Clammer's little secret is that he yo-yo's bluefish.:behead:

so the fact that jonny from burger king (to steal a line from keith foulke :hihi:) has to wait a few weeks is gonna make people more open. #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is right, there are so many members on the site that posting on a members only site would not be much different that posting on an open site, with the exception that the people who see the information are more likely serious about fishing and therefore more likely to use the information.

"Where to" leads to problems with access. "How to" does no harm.

How to makes up the biggest part of the site. How to make plugs , how to fish , how to cook fish , how to make rods , how to rig sluggos ,how to tie on a leader , how to use a skin jig , how to get the best seats at Hooters. How to is essential to the basic site. It should be unrestricted.

No more special forums.

Why not must be hundreds of people lurking every week not registerd, and never contributing,just looking for intel:read:

I think those guys decided it by never talking about it. Your right you will never make everyone happy, Its just my opinion and nothing more, I cant stop the next guy from talking about whatever they want....this is just something I would not talk about...

For me some of them would never talk to me agin if I betrayed there trust with certain things, I am not about to lose friendships over it. To most here it may well be "no big deal" but to those guys who make a living on the water it is a big deal.

Well Said!!

Like I said in another post....it won't be long before posts look like this: caught a fish on a hook in the ocean....just so you don't get bashed....because I'm sure nobody has ever been taught anything by an experienced angler...it's all by doing your homework right?:rolleyes:

IMO ;;
I don,t like it //also how do you descide who.how & when // there have ebb sighen up for years /that are random / or they will sign up & make the necessary posts to get in this section .


you already have a how to section ;; that S/B enought ;;

what,s the purpose ===so guys can find a more deadly way of catching fish ===or to brag 5000 # making people want to know more & more ..
that was /is a deadly method // it will 99.9 outfish any others means ;;;
I have only used it in the commercial season & even with RI,s four fish limit /chose to fish live on the beach / verus fishing the fleet ;;;
The last thing the bass needs 100000 guys all Y.Y == the pogies are finally making sumwhat of a comeback ;; ya can catch plenty of fish the trandional way // no need to go deadly ..;;


where do you stop

tubing // 50, different ways / lets get to the most effect way the easiest & quickest way ;;

and the list goe,s on // there are hard fishing either my luck or trail & error have come up with a killer way to catch fish ;::;

fluke
tuna
[blues]
tautog
etc ..

there is no need for it ==== it went too far tobin with & it was & will start to get nasty // I KNOW & YOU DON<T = YES I DO __ NO ++ PROVE IT ;;

IMO your gonna create something you,ll regret //

I,ll bet the majority of guys that want a special forum //don,t know how ;;;

Just wait & someone can go on the talk circuit /THIS winter == selling knowledge for cheap money ;;

Step by step to rig for Y/Y .......... & then come back on another circuit / different kinds of y/y setups cc:behead: :wall:

You run the site John, do what you think is right.

That yoyo thing is not just commercial, I know it is used in tournaments and derbys. but like it was mentioned before, it's risky if a bass has all that lead in it's stomach unbeknownst to the fisherman looking to enter a cow in a derby.

I don't think there will be any article in on the water on how to yoyo anytime soon. Like #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& said, that is maybe the one and only one technique that should not be talked about too freely. There are plenty of ways to catch a bass. I've seen pictures of the contents of bass's stomachs' that were loaded with the weights and rods and stuff for yoyoing, it can't be healthy for the fish.

knowing how to do it, and actually being sucessful at it are 2 different things also, but practice makes perfect. I doubt people are gonna rush out a buy a boat and fresh pogies and start yoyoing this weekend till all the cows are gone, but it doesn't need to be all spelled out on the web either.

I agree. IMO nothing's broken, nothing needs to be fixed. People who lurk will join just to see it, and if you impose a minimum number of posts to see it, all that will do is generate a bunch of "me too" posts. Some guy will just post one or two word replies, like "throw eels" or "Atom 40" or stuff like that, without really contributing much.

Any subject is likely to ruffle some feathers. No matter how hard you try, you will never please everyone. Someone will always have an issue with any subject.

Besides, there's no instant magic bullet--whether it's yo-yoing or anything else. There's always a learning curve involved.

YoYo 'ing sacred? What about 3 waying? What about eel skins? What about helicopter herring? What about rigging eels? What about loading plugs? What about eel bobs? What about balooning? What about 6 short strokes and 3 long strokes ..oops different subject :)

Anyway , what is so different about this "how to" and any other technique out there??

OK....you have changed my mind.....I don't like it either...Mike P & Slip....points well taken.

If it's not broke...don't fix it.....Guys will either talk about it or not...doesn't matter what forum it's in.

it makes alot of live bass into dead bass

I'm off to kill some seals
see ya:rocketem:

yes Chris, we are all hypocrites

Go fishing, save chit like this for mid january :hidin:

I think any technique if its going to be talked about should be personall choice. I said I would not do it because its not my place to, if the guys who do it regular want to talk about it so be it...
MikeP IS 100% Correct, even if you tell someone how to do something(especially here) I have found that you get it right back in the face! Like MikeP said "how do you know" "my way is better" "your full of BS" "liar" etc...This place is the poster child for "damed if you do, damed if you dont" While at any "club" meeting in person its is different than it is on an internet board.

Personally, I have no problem sharing what I do and have done so, but you can only be called full of crap so many times before you just glance at a thread and decide not to add to it...which is why I dont anymore other than small talk.

I do not yo-yo and have no experiance with it. Anything else I would be happy to tell people but now, I am much more comfortable doing it in person rather than here...You can only be burned by fire so many times before you smarten up..

To funny...there is a guy on "SNESA" Asking how to yo-yo bunker in an email.........Cant wait to see the responce's:eyes:

Part of the reason I'm posting this is because of requests in the past for such a thing - not so much the YoYo thread.

Some of the problem, as I see it, is that information should be shared so that the knowledge and RESPECT for what we do is properly gained. Writing an article for catching a 50 in 3 easy steps is a useless as 4 minute Abs - just doesn't happen. Basic methods should absilutely be shared and encouraged between people online and offline. Better and more involved methods should be shared too - sometimes online sometimes offline - but sometimes these methods (and the spot word :tooth: ) are sometimes not best shared on a platter for the world to see whether online or in print. They are best done fisher to fisher on a one on one basis (where people meet like here) or in a club.

I'm not trying to exclude people when I bring something like this up. What I am trying to figure out is that if an avenue is created, with the blessing of those on the site, that will remove some of the bickering that goes on is the best thing to do. We are a commnity here and sharing within our community benefits all of us I think. I'm just trying to see if tweaking the way we share is worth it or not.

Thanks!

John

Sounds good John, but since the "regulars" already post here all the time anyway, what difference will it make? the bickering is what it is with the same people? Just asking..... Hey look, you have a great site, its huge and growing everyday.....I would not want to be in your shoes and have to pull my hair out all the time, but ultimatly I guess you make the decisions...you do the best you can with the time you have...I am not trying to start trouble here...It would be great if the bikering can stop....but it never does...its been years.

Maybe your idea is a good one, I dont know....I do know that if every now and then you at least let people talk about the better known spots etc....it may ease tension...the problem is how do you not let the whole world in on it? who knows....I was just stating opinions and not trying to stir a pot, even with a thread like this you can see how it shoots off in its own direction and goes off topic.

So far you have done a great job with this site, its the most looked at one out there..I am sure you will come up with the right answers in time!:btu: :btu:

But what do I know ............

On second thought, what am I even involved in this for? I contribute nothing of value here?? I guess its just to hot and sitting here is killing the time until BOAT LAUNCH!!

That's the thing - spots. It is probably the most contentious issue on the site. And it's usually OK until someone starts talking about someone else's favorite spot. What I am trying to find is the best balance. My never-ending-tilting-towards-windmills-quest ...

I'm changing my name to DomQ :nailem:

hey wait a minute no one contributes less valuable info than I do !

LOL

as far as this thread . what ever is the consensus is , I will go along with . I guess !

But what's that gonna solve, let 'em fly, take no prisoners. Let the fun begin..I'll warm up the butter, I need some fun in my life..:rotf2: :rotf2:
Oh, and 4 minute abs does work, I can have a six pack in 4 minutes, packy is right down the street..

Let it Be

chrisL = MVP :laugha:

or just lock the doors and make this the " ledge II "

Bad idea.
I would not worry about an advanced and cryptic technique impacting the overall health of the fishery - most people can't even run a regular yo-yo.....

I don't post very much here and haven't been a member very long, so I'd venture to guess that many people don't care what I think.

The whole point of internet message boards is the free exchange of ideas. Considering the number of other internet fishing message boards and magazines, I don't think that contributions from any one do much to reduce the quality of fishing. It's not like keeping it off this site is going to prevent the issue, spot, technique from being discussed.

The more people there are who do well fishing, the more people stay in the sport. This only helps to give us numbers against the PETA nuts who want no one fishing. The last thing we want for the preservation of the fishery is reduced participation. The more participants, the more people who pay taxes, contribute to the economy, write letters when things get taken away - in other words, helping others helps the fishery.

A closed group of fishermen who work together and keep information within the group is a fishing club. If that's what you want, fine, but it's not what you have right now. Among other differences between a club site and this is the number of people who will be viewing the sponsor's ads & information. I don't know the economics of how SB.com operates, but that may be a factor.

I guess what I'm saying is that when you consider all of the books, magazines, web sites, personal conversations, tips from the B&T, etc, etc, etc, the things said here aren't even a drop in the bucket. I realize there are good fishermen here, but if you think that the viability of the species or a spot rests on the amount of information you post here, you have a pretty elevated opinion of your importance to the fishery.

I really don't think that because someone here says he killed them in Skeeter Cove, the place is going to be overrun and wiped clean of bass. Ditto for bait rigging techniques. How effective are rigged eels? Now how many people spend the time to rig them? Almost none if you consider the total number of striper fishermen. I mean, people pay extra for rubber so they don't have to spend 3 minutes to rig them.

I think the same is probably true for that bunker rigging method.
Some guy will make a few, stink up the kitchen, get yelled at, and for the rest of the season he'll go back to what worked before.

Just my opinion - no offense mean to anyone.

The proposed idea presented by the grand buba is a step in the right direction. It will have no effect on the present S-Bers and give the lurkers an opportunity to share the information that this site offers. These new members as well as the present members can now be identified and bounced temporarily from the site if there actions don't adhere to the paridigm of this site.
Instead of the whole net having access to sensitive info then why not share it with those take the time to join.

Then again you can have all the sensitive info privatized to s-b members but the enemy most probably lies within.