Any Doubters???
 

Of the Dynasty??? Anyone not a believer??? They are the greatest team ever put on the field (lets not subject that to the era they play in or the era other teams played in) they are simply the best team that I have ever seen!!!!:uhuh:

No question,
2007 team will go down as one of the greatest ever if they win the super bowl.
But impossible to say greatest ever with different eras, rules,talent levels, amount of money players are getting.

Not a Pats fan by any means but they are one of if not the best teams ever IMO . But as a football fan that was probably the best FOOTBALL game of the season. Congrats to the Pats. :kewl:

Karl I agree 100%....if they don't win it all......it will most definitely be a sidenote! Win the Superbowl and it will be the season that all others are measured by!:kewl:

I'm looking forward to watching a Pats - Colts rematch.

It won't be as close as the last game Ronnie! Pats will crush them!:btu:

If the Browns make the playoffs today, the Pats will have beaten every AFC playoff team, plus two from the NFC, during the season.

Going 16-0 against that kind of a schedule is a tremendous feat and probably won't ever be matched.

As compared to the 14-0 Dolphins who didn't face a winning team until the AFC playoffs? No comparison.

Bingo Mike! Agreed! Pats had the toughest schedule of any team in the league and beat them all!

No, the Pats won't crush them.
It will be a great (close) game!

Pats will beat them by 3 touchdowns!

Yep, if they go all the way, with what they will have accomplished, anyone who doesn't think they are the greatest ever and thinks it's the Niners or Bears or God forbid the 72 Fins, they would need their head examined and take off the rose colored glasses because what the Pats faced this year will never be repeated again in our lifetimes.
Congrats Pats on the 16 and 0 now on to the post season, I can't wait and I will be one of the 69,000 12th players' in the house :btu:

exactly!

The days of "running up the score" are over for this season. Belicheck did what he set out to do in the NFL this year. He fielded an exceptional team and most importantly he raised the level of play in the NFL. You have to admit that the Pats' opponents aren't bringing the sorry arsed style of play now that they were bringing earlier. They're playing all out, partially because the games actually mean something now (the sorry part is they didn't then) and partially because they don't want to get their noses rubbed in it. BB coached them all into playing with pride.

Larry,
The Pats defense had their hands full with a CRAPPY Giants offense,
The Colts are 10 time better.
Whats our wager ???:heybaby:

Win/Lose bet or points?:heybaby:

Congats Pats. :btu:
You nailed it Karl. Our group 4 football team,way back when, went undefeated for
3 years until our senior year when we lost the final state playoff.
That loss still sticks in my mind and nightmares 50 years later.
It's either all the marbles or, "you guys had a good team"

Have to agree with Raider Ron on this one Larry. I can't see that game as a 3 touchdown win. I have had a feeling all year that the Colts will beat the Pats when it counts the most. Hope I'm wrong.

Excuse me--that is not a crappy offense. It's an inconsistent offense, but there is talent there--much more so than the Ravens and the Eagles. As maligned as Manning is, he's a better QB than AJ Feeley and light years better than Kyle Boller. Jacobs missed 5 full games and still rushed for over 1000 yards. Burress on one leg is still better than 90% of the wideouts around the league.

Mike I thought you converted,,guess not.

[QUOTE=Mike P;550975]Excuse me--that is not a crappy offense. It's an inconsistent offense, but there is talent there--much more so than the Ravens and the Eagles. As maligned as Manning is, he's a better QB than AJ Feeley and light years better than Kyle Boller. Jacobs missed 5 full games and still rushed for over 1000 yards. Burress on one leg is still better than 90% of the wideouts around the league.[/QUOTE



BIG difference between the Colts and Giants offense !!!
Also, the colts have been the best in the league on defense against the pass! the Pats strength!

If the Pats do not win the superbowl it will be less of a feat than the Dolphins.

THIS IS SO TRUE.
Best coach ever.
Period.
You can argue about best qb, running back, linebacker, ect. [not many arguements about wr].
But Bill B. will go down in history as the greatest football coach to ever step on the field.

Add the Redskins to that list......

You guys are so caught up in the hype up there but he will be in the top 5 but the best ever please your arrogance stinks!!!

who was better & why?

Bills winning percentage is among the elite and might possibly be the best! His post season winning percentage is the best in NFL history! He has won 3 Superbowls and is not done yet! Who is better???Who??? Lombardi???? Sorry...no! Chuck Knoll??? Please!!! Schula??? No!!! Landry??? Uh-uh!! Parcells??? Not on your life!!! They win the Superbowl this year to crown the undefeated season and you can put Bills name on the top of the list for all time with no question!!! Right now I still think he is the best and smartest coach in history!

its very difficult to say but their are many that are up there, and it is very difficult to say that one coach is better comparing from various decades.

What makes you say 100% that it is BB is the better question?

Lombardi would get my vote, but you can make an argument for others. If BB and the patriots win the superbowl he would have catapulted up there and if he wins one or two more with this team then you would have to give it to him and alot of other patriots as best in their position (but that is always argumentative).

Definetly top 5 coach of all-time, but to say he is the best ever is arrogance at its best. with that said I would take him as coach of my team anyday.

I will take arrogance then I guess.....cause' he manages a team, its players and the entire way they function better than any other coach ever!

what makes bb better than lombardi or knoll or the big tuna???

The game changes decade to decade its not that easy to just say one is better than the other.

Winning percentage how many times a year does he play the bills, jets and miami??? every thing can be knocked for everyone.

Knoll's drafting ability was unprecedented and still to this day is unmatched, but with free-agency the game is different today.

One day the Patriots will not be the juggernaut that they were. for a dynasty team to not make the playoffs one year in their run doesn't help the coach. I know it seems very long ago but 9-7 in 2002 following the superbowl win was not a great season.

Oh yes, Spy gate does not help. :huh:

You had a great argument going until you threw the Big Tuna in the Mix......Both his superbowls were won on Defense.....and who was his Defensive Coordinator???

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Joe Gibbs....I personally think he is one of the Best Coaches ever....top 3 for sure....right along with Belichek.

Gibbs one 3 superbowls with 3 different QB's...

Shula's a Hack....guy couldn't win a Superbowl with one of the Best QB's to ever play the game.

wrikerjr - What team do you root for?
Here at S-B most of us are life long Pats fans, and know exactly what the lean years were like. If any team was due for good fortune, it's the Patriots.

In Bill we trust, after all he is
The Greatest Coach Ever

Spygate?? Please....they all do it.....they have also proved they can outright win so lets put that to bed!

They play the Bills, Jets and Miami 2 times....whats your point there??? You do not agree they had the toughest schedule in all of football this season??

Are you saying they are not a Dynasty because the season after their first Superbowl win they went 9-7??? After they went 9-7 they won back to back Superbowls.......soooooo....whats your point?

Good coaches put the right people in the right places. I never said that BB was not a great coach I just said you guys get ought of shape sometimes throwing out the best ever! top 5 yes, but best ever many arguments against that!!!

[QUOTE=fishsmith;551140]wrikerjr - What team do you root for?
Here at S-B most of us are life long Pats fans, and know exactly what the lean years were like. If any team was due for good fortune, it's the Patriots.
QUOTE]

I am a life long cowboy fan, I am use to lean times, I am use to great dynasties as well. Who do I owe it to the best owner in football.

You could argue with many people that their team is due. I know a ton of Jets fans who would say that they are due for good fortune. You can't argue with that.

I do admit that you have a dynasty, yes, its true, but to say BB is the best coach ever you guys are getting a going a little far.

Who is the best receiver ever - Moss?
Best QB ever - Brady?
Best Linebacker ever - ?
They are not all patriots - ?

Big fish - when did I not say they were not a dynasty, don't say I said that, because i truly believe that you are but interestingly you bring that up, interesting. I think it is definetly a blemish on BB as a coach that he failed to bring his team to the playoffs in their dynasty run. Its a nock

They did not have the toughest schedule in football, yes, it is true. Published by the nfl 2007 strength of schedule new England .473

Colts.516
cowboys .496
Jaguars .516
Redskins .555
Eagles .563
etc.

Spygate, unfortunately you will have to live with that when you break the rules you have to live with the consequences.

I guess the consequences of spygate are a 16-0 regular season and whatever happens in the playoffs....I can live with that! I think that was blown way out of proportion.....teams steal signals all the time!

My definition of a dynasty is they compete at the highest level of the game over several seasons in a row and win at least 3 Superbowls in that run! The dynasty is established and is poised to be the greatest in history! Like it or not!

We both have opinions Wrikerjr, and I do respect yours. Its all good conversation and it really is opinion as I do agree there are many ways to argue the points.

I was a huge 49'er fan during their run and thought I would never see a team better than them......but here we are and I think this team is tons better than those 49'er teams.....I do wish there were a maching we could use to bring the 2 teams together and let them slug it out.....that would be fun!:jump:

I'm a Giants fan, but I have to give credit where it's due. If the Colts played a serious game last night, the Browns would be in the playoffs, not the Titans. Which would have meant that the Pats played all 5 of the other AFC playoff teams, and also beat 3 of the six NFC playoff teams, including the team with the best record in the NFC. The Pats schedule is skewed by having to play the dog-assed Jets and Dolphins twice. Philly on the other hand had to play 3 playoff teams in their division twice. That tough schedule might mean more if they managed to win more than 2 of those 6 games.

Strength of schedule is all well and good, but when the team with the strongest schedule goes 8-8, what's the significance of having a margainally better schedule that a team that won all 16?

[QUOTE=wrikerjr;551168][QUOTE=fishsmith;551140]wrikerjr - What team do you root for?
Here at S-B most of us are life long Pats fans, and know exactly what the lean years were like. If any team was due for good fortune, it's the Patriots.
QUOTE]

I am a life long cowboy fan, I am use to lean times, I am use to great dynasties as well. Who do I owe it to the best owner in football.

You could argue with many people that their team is due. I know a ton of Jets fans who would say that they are due for good fortune. You can't argue with that.

I do admit that you have a dynasty, yes, its true, but to say BB is the best coach ever you guys are getting a going a little far.

Who is the best receiver ever - Moss?



Jerry Rice is the best receiver ever!
Lots would say he's the best football player ever!

Your looking at 2006 sos not 2007.

Someone said they have the third highest which is not true look up 2007 sos.