Someone lying thru their teeth....?
 

what do you think 'bout roger after the interview??

Roger looked pretty nervous !
Judging by all the eye blinking, I say he's lying !

Liar,Liar pants on fire....:af:

I believe him! And by the way....he can't prove his innocence any more than they can prove his guilt....its one persons word against another persons word......so let it go!:hs:

Same go for Bonds???

Do you believe Barry Bonds also???

larry- you really believe him? :doh:

Larry probable thinks the Pats will beat Jacksonville by 70 points next sat !

Maybe not by 70..40 Probably...:wiggle:

Yeah I do! He, as he said won a Cy in 97'....a year before he supposedly took his first shot and also in 04'.....3 years after his last "alleged" shot???? Sounds pretty strange??? Bonds......well.....didn't he "claim" he may have "unknowingly":doh: been injected with steroids???? Also steroids and HGH are 2 different substances! I also do not believe Clemens would be pitching at this late date if he used them as they do wear you down physically! Oh.....and Bonds was a mediocre player until he began using steroids.....check the stats and his build.....Clemens was always Clemens and his build only gained weight...not muscle!

Maybe its just me but I never saw him look at the floor once......and did not notice him blinking any more than someone needs to blink?:huh: Sweating.....them lights is hot!

[QUOTE=BigFish;552929]Yeah I do! He, as he said won a Cy in 97'....a year before he supposedly took his first shot and also in 04'.....3 years after his last "alleged" shot???? Sounds pretty strange??? Bonds......well.....didn't he "claim" he may have "unknowingly":doh: been injected with steroids???? Also steroids and HGH are 2 different substances! I also do not believe Clemens would be pitching at this late date if he used them as they do wear you down physically! Oh.....and Bonds was a mediocre player until he began using steroids...



Larry,
You should invest in a fresh air respirator for when you paint your plugs !

Why Ron.....its my opinion and I am entitled to it...not to mention you asked!

Pats by 50!:kewl:

Bonds was a mediocre player before 'roids? :confused: :doh:

Did Roger actually claim he was taking lidocaine shots in the rump for pain in his knees? :rotf3:

Yeah Mike....you ever look at his Pittsburg stats? He wasn't burning it up!

"Bonds a mediocre player before he took them"

His stats were ok....I always found him talented but lazy.....he won 2 MVP awards with Pitt....33 homeruns 114 RBI and batted .301. Those are pretty lame numbers for MVP! His MVP years where he hit 49 homeruns and 73 homeruns he only had 147 hits and 156 hits respectively........RBIs 106 and 137 respectively.....pretty lame considering his homerun output!!! That adds up to steroids to me? Go study his numbers......they are slanted!

He was also stealing 30 - 40 bases a year!

Do you think he will testify in front of Congress? I believe that he would have to be under oath.

Do you think there wil be a defamation lawsuit filed this week?

He has been ordered to appear and I think he will!

My biggest question is why didn't he file a defamation of character suit against the trainer????? He defamed Rogers name first and were there a suit filed then the trainer would have to have proof of his allegations or he would lose his case? MikeP.....what do you think?

My bet is that Andy Petite knows the truth.
Maybe he will be called by congress!

Gee, does anyone think race has anything to do with why you beleive who did what? Judging by the tones of the radio voices....I think they do.

weei

Petite, Clemens and the trainor have all been ordered to appear!

Oh boy...:hidin:Guilty

No he didn't say that
he answered Mike's question when he was asked if his trainer ever injected him with anything(he didn't say where it was injected )but you knew that.


Roger is in a state of denial

It sucks for me because I always liked him as a pitcher, except the period he tanked as a Red Sox, and I have his rookie card which by now has gone down in value I'm sure. :(

call radio always brings up race to everything

This country has far worse troubles and issues, but better late than never to cover moral issues in sports.

And why is the Government spending millions of dollars and untold hours on this issue????:hs:

What kind of assets does the trainer have? Suing someone who doesn't have money is a waste of time.

Besides, Clemens is a public figure, and as such he has a much more difficult job in winning any kind of defamation suit. As the plaintiff (the sue-er) he would have to show that the allegations were either maliciously false, or made with reckess disregard for the truth. And I'm sure that the first witness called by the defense to rebut Clemens would be Andy Pettite ;)

Here's your answer...

Roger Clemens sues Brian McNamee for defamation

By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer
January 7, 2008

AP - Jan 7, 1:28 am EST

NEW YORK (AP) -- Roger Clemens beat Brian McNamee to court, filing a defamation suit against the former trainer who claimed to have injected him with performance-enhancing drugs.

Clemens filed the suit Sunday night in Harris County District Court in Texas, listing 15 alleged statements McNamee made to the baseball drug investigator George Mitchell. Clemens claimed the statement were "untrue and defamatory."

"According to McNamee, he originally made his allegations to federal authorities after being threatened with criminal prosecution if he didn't implicate Clemens," according to the 14-page petition, obtained early Monday by The Associated Press.

The suit, first reported by the Houston Chronicle, states that when McNamee told others that when he first was interviewed by federal law enforcement last June, he denied Clemens had used steroids or human growth hormone. The suit quotes McNamee as saying he was pressured by Assistant U.S. Attorney Matthew Parrella and IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky -- key members of the BALCO prosecution -- to implicate Clemens. The suit did not attribute where the quote from McNamee was obtained.

"After this exchange, and for the first time in his life, McNamee stated that he had injected Clemens with steroids in 1998, 2000 and 2001," the suit said. "Following his recantation, McNamee has relayed that he magically went from a `target' in a federal criminal drug investigation to a mere `witness,' so long as he continued to `toe the line."'

The suit said that when McNamee initially refused a request from federal authorities that he speak to Mitchell, he was threatened with prosecution. Clemens said McNamee decided only then to cooperate with Mitchell and the suit said McNamee told other the interview "was conducted like a Cold War-era interrogation in which a federal agent merely read to the Mitchell investigators McNamee's previously obtained statement and then asked McNamee to confirm what he previously stated."

Clemens asked that damages be determined by a jury.

"Clemens' good reputation has been severely injured," the suit said. "McNamee's false allegations have also caused Clemens to suffer mental anguish, shame, public humiliation and embarrassment."

McNamee's lawyers are likely to remove the case to U.S. District Court in Houston, since Clemens and McNamee reside in different states. McNamee also could ask that the suit be moved to federal court in New York.

The seven-time Cy Young Award winner, who was scheduled to hold a late afternoon news conference Monday in Houston, sounded indignant and defiant in a segment of CBS's "60 Minutes" broadcast Sunday night, his first interview since McNamee accused him. The two are approaching a potential confrontation if they testify under oath at a Jan. 16 hearing on Capitol Hill.

The most prominent player implicated in last month's Mitchell Report, Clemens steadfastly maintained his innocence and called McNamee's allegations "totally false."

"If he's doing that to me, I should have a third ear coming out of my forehead. I should be pulling tractors with my teeth," said Clemens, who wore a lavender button-down shirt during the interview, taped Dec. 28 at his home in Katy, Texas.

On Friday, when the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform invited Clemens and McNamee to testify, the pair spoke by telephone, an individual close to the situation said, speaking on condition of anonymity because public comments weren't authorized. The conversation first was reported Sunday by Newsday.

The individual would not say what was discussed.

Clemens' lawyer, Rusty Hardin, told the Chronicle that it was McNamee who arranged to talk to Clemens on Friday but instead of getting back to Clemens the conversation was leaked "with spin" to Newsday.

"We kept thinking McNamee might change his mind and come to his senses and admit he was lying," Hardin told the Chronicle.

McNamee also had been contemplating a suit.

"We welcome a lawsuit. It makes our decision easy," Richard Emery, one of McNamee's lawyers, said earlier Sunday. "If he sued McNamee, it would make things very simple."

During the "60 Minutes" segment, Clemens said he might be willing to take a lie-detector test and was "shocked" close friend Andy Pettitte used HGH. He said -- again -- that he probably will retire.

A fiery look in his eyes and stubble on his face, Clemens told CBS's Mike Wallace that he would have spoken with Mitchell had he been aware of McNamee's accusations.

"I thought it was an impassioned, disingenuous and desperate plea," said Earl Ward, McNamee's primary lawyer.

One of the few revelations in the much-hyped interview came when Clemens was asked whether he conceivably would take a lie detector test.

"Yeah," he answered. "I don't know if they're good or bad."

After Monday's news conference will come the congressional hearing. Pettitte, former Yankees teammate Chuck Knoblauch and former Mets clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski, who allegedly supplied McNamee with performance-enhancing drugs, also were asked to appear before the committee.

Lawyers for Clemens and McNamee have said their clients are willing to testify but Hardin wouldn't commit to the date.

Emery said he wanted to hear testimony from Clemens.

"If Congress calls him, he pretty much has to take the Fifth, and if he takes the Fifth, nobody will ever believe him again and all this effort has gone down the drain," Emery said. "And if he doesn't take the Fifth, it's very hard to imagine that a prosecutor isn't going to pursue this. So I think he's put himself in a terrible corner."

Clemens said his lawyer advised him not to speak with Mitchell, who spent 20 months on his investigation.

"If I would've known what this man, what Brian McNamee (had) said in this report, I would have been down there in a heartbeat to take care of it," Clemens said.

Only two active players, Jason Giambi and Frank Thomas, spoke with Mitchell, a Boston Red Sox director and a former Senate majority leader.

In excerpts of the CBS interview that were released Thursday, Clemens said McNamee injected him with vitamin B-12 and the painkiller lidocaine. In the full 14-minute broadcast, Clemens also said he was given an injection of toradol under the supervision of the New York Yankees.

McNamee told Mitchell he injected Clemens with steroids and HGH about 16 to 21 times during 1998, 2000 and 2001 -- before baseball players and owners agreed to ban performance-enhancing substances.

Eighth on the career list with 354 wins, the 45-year-old Clemens said he was angered McNamee's accusations have been accepted as truth by some.

"It's hogwash for people to even assume this," Clemens said. "Twenty-four, 25 years, Mike. You'd think I'd get an inch of respect. An inch."

Clemens said the descriptions McNamee gave Mitchell of injections "never happened."

"If I have these needles and these steroids and all these drugs, where did I get 'em?" he said. "Where is the person out there (who) gave 'em to me? Please, please come forward."

Precisely. The plaintiff has the burden of proof. By suing McNamee first, Roger's taken on quite a task.

I believed him. I think he had nothing to gain by going on the 60 minutes show or filing the suit if he was guilty. He would have just kept himself quiet and faded away. Now he will have to follow up on his not guilty claims and so why do it unless he was innocent.

Anyway , It may eventually come out that the trainer was spiking or substituting the B12 shots with steroids without Clemens knowing?

MikeP......if Roger is suing Macnamee for defamation.....doesn't that mean that Macnamee must prove beyond a doubt that Roger actually did use HGH??? After all....he is the one making the claim??? If he cannot prove it then he will be found liable for defaming Roger Clemens character.....right?

I think its the other way around....Roger has the burden of proof and must prove that the statements made were false. he's the one who is suing so he has to have evidence that shows that MacNamee was lying.

Well....as usual given the judiciary system, that makes no sense to me what so ever! If Mcnamee is making the statement then he should need to carry the burden of the proof of his statement!!!

Mike P's answere will be ineteresting but i would hope that if you say so and so is a thief , you need to prove it if sued for saying it. I don't believe Roger has to prove anything about the truth or not , just dispute what was said. I believe he does have to prove or give some evidence of the dollar amounts he is claiming as damages. I would also think that since its civil , not criminal , the burden is for a prepoderance of evidence , not for proof beyond a resonable doubt.

Think about it....if someone sues you, don't you want them to have to prove your the Guilty One....Clemens is Suing MacNamee so he has to be the one that has to have the proof MacNamee is guilty....actually makes perfect sense

I think Rocket is a LIAR, why would he get Lidocaine (pain relief) shots in buttocks?


6. Can you get pain relief in your joints by injecting lidocaine into your, well, buttocks?

Dr. Dombrowski: No. Never. Unless Clemens was limited by hip pain or whatever in his buttocks, then no, that's not what you do. You use big deep muscles for injecting steroids. But you would never treat shoulder or elbow pain in that way. If what he was injected with was truly lidocaine, his butt cheek would be numb. And that's it.

Dr. Dretchen: Just a blind injection into the gluteus area, that would be a strange usage of the drug. When you go to the dentist, would you get an injection into your arm? Of course not.

the above comes from --> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=hruby/080107

That does not make sense Kevin.......Mcnamee has gone on record as saying Clemens did use HGH, and that he himself (Mcnamee) injected it....so isn't it up to him to prove what he himself has gone on record with the Mitchell report as saying? I think so!

I agree with Saltheart!

For Example....If I say Brittany Spears is a Chitty Parent, I made a statement that makes her look bad, and then she Sues me for Defamation of Character. I did say something derogatory about that person and I said it on the record, but, Is it true or Is it False?

She's Suing me so she needs to be the one that proves that what I said about her is false and that I said it to ruin her Publically.

I think she'd lose this lawsuit....:hee: