Phase II
 

:( these dooshwads make me sick. BOTH of them.

Joe Biden is gonna wind up "Biden" Obama on the ass!:rollem:

They are just looking to play the blame game.

im tired
 

not of the candidates

but the war between the fed law and state law
trumping each other back and forth is a JOKE

I actually thought Biden's remarks were extremely rational and articulate. A good percentage of the country believes the Bush Administration has very possibly violated the law.

How can we ever learn from past actions if they are not held to account?

-spence

Thank you spence.

It will never happen. Emphasis on "never".

My thoughts are that this is going to cost millions of dollars and still come up with nothing. How about they focus on the economy.

Good thing I am overweight. I'll be living off my fat reserves. Job prospects are terrible right now. Most prospective jobs (in my trade) are talking SPRINGTIME. No one wants to start new projects as I believe they are very concerned about the next 4 to 6 months.

I've been out of work now for 5 weeks and its not looking to get any better until April or so. The last time things got bad like this (1989) I moved out of state. Can't do that now though as I have different responsibilities.


Oh and just for the record even if McCain had won, things wouldn't be any different. Obama is going to have his hands full. Lets just hope he can do something.


And just for the record. I'm not a republican. There is a (U) after my name on the paper they checked before I voted. I didn't vote for McCain. Or for Obama for that matter.

I love this country.. A place where a president gets dragged into impeachment hearings because of a stupid affair, but when a whole administration cheats, steals, and sacrifices thousands of lives based on a series of complex lies and bent facts.. its brushed aside because there are too many problems. Problems mind you, that were either caused or ignored by the same party...:wall:

the only thing
 

absolutely only thing
that i agreed with the french about
was laughing at the Americans response
to the lewinsky act in the oval office.

and by the way.... that wasn't sex. :rtfm:

He acted on intelligence supplied to him. Bad intelligence yes but intelligence none the less. He was acting on our best interest in terms of security in light of what happened on 911 I feel he was justified and I am betting at the time...most of you did too! Did it go bad? Yes? There is no pleasing everyone....if he did nothing people would piss and moan......so how can you win??? Nothing will ever come of it.....word!

agreed

hold on bigfish... you said 'he'. Oh no.. this will go way beyond 'he'.

It has been proven that intellegence was cherry picked and contrary intellegence was ignored. The people who were involved with that is who I think will pay. 'He' i believe is untouchable... simply because they pushed the war in such a slick way...

Call it what you want Eben......guys like you throw things like..."It was proven" around and its based on here say and gossip sprinkled with half heard information. You don't like how it went so you want to scape goat Bush! You are entitled to your opinion on Bush but you are kidding yourself if you think there will A) Be an investigation and B) Anything will ever come of it! As others have said why spend another billion dollars on a witch hunt?! There are more important irons in the fire!

I remember the "climate" around here when we went into Iraq and most people were on board......peoples memories are darn short and very selective.

Most were on board because they were lied to. I dont expect Bush to be the focus of this by the way.. ;)

Maybe nothing will happen and that is fine, but it would be nice to see Justice prevail over greed and profiteering.

Larry.
Not everyone here has a short memory.

If you went back to the 04 election, I bet my posts were for the candidate who did not want us in Iraq to begin with, so me, thinking we went into Iraq under false pretenses is NOT a new idea for all of us.

As the expression goes; no one died when Clinton lied....

OK they were lied to......is it their fault because they were misinformed?? Bush was misinformed. Regardless Hussein was running around over in Iraq doing "Hitler" like things and people like him need to be dealt with.......and I am glad for that. Bush Sr. should have finished the job when he was in office and I blame him for coming up short on that! Now we need to focus on getting out of there and I do not think we need to force feed Democracy to a country that does not want it, respect it or will be keeping it. This is a losing battle. Our objectives were met.....sweep up and get out!

Is that a "Democratically" fueled website with a one sided view? I am betting it is and with a heavy slant on the truth and facts. I was there and I remember how it went down.......we are all great "second guessers".......I would not want to be President I can tell you that!

I challenge you to spend 15 minutes on that link.

I just spent 20 seconds and saw the "red flags we should have seen" line! Well we didn't......hindsight is 20/20. People do things they think are right.......maybe not everyone agrees with them....but they believe it to be right. Maybe it is our fault for missing those red flags? Red flags only appear after things go bad.

I cant believe Bigfish is defending Bush, Larry as one who has valiently fought this fight, its not worth it. Let them be. You'll never convince these guys no matter what. Its over, Obama is President , Bush will down in history as a bad president and the Dems will do everything they can while they are in power to point the finger as Bush, while all the while saying he was a "divider" while they are uniters. Nt worth the grief Larry, take it from me.

http://intelligence.senate.gov/press....cfm?id=298775

Senate Intelligence Committee Unveils Final Phase II Reports on Prewar Iraq Intelligence

-- Two Bipartisan Reports Detail Administration Misstatements on Prewar Iraq Intelligence, and Inappropriate Intelligence Activities by Pentagon Policy Office --

Contact: Wendy Morigi (202) 224-6101
Thursday, June 5, 2008



Washington, DC -- The Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, John D. (Jay) Rockefeller IV, and a bipartisan majority of the Committee (10-5), today unveiled the final two sections of its Phase II report on prewar intelligence. The first report details Administration prewar statements that, on numerous occasions, misrepresented the intelligence and the threat from Iraq. The second report details inappropriate, sensitive intelligence activities conducted by the DoD’s Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, without the knowledge of the Intelligence Community or the State Department.

“Before taking the country to war, this Administration owed it to the American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the threat we faced. Unfortunately, our Committee has concluded that the Administration made significant claims that were not supported by the intelligence,” Rockefeller said. “In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.”

“It is my belief that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq, and used the 9/11 attacks by al Qa’ida as justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. To accomplish this, top Administration officials made repeated statements that falsely linked Iraq and al Qa’ida as a single threat and insinuated that Iraq played a role in 9/11. Sadly, the Bush Administration led the nation into war under false pretenses.

“There is no question we all relied on flawed intelligence. But, there is a fundamental difference between relying on incorrect intelligence and deliberately painting a picture to the American people that you know is not fully accurate.

“These reports represent the final chapter in our oversight of prewar intelligence. They complete the story of mistakes and failures – both by the Intelligence Community and the Administration – in the lead up to the war. Fundamentally, these reports are about transparency and holding our government accountable, and making sure these mistakes never happen again,” Rockefeller added.

The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include:

Ø Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.

Ø Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.

Ø Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.

Ø Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.

Ø The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.

Ø The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.


Additionally, the Committee issued a report on the Intelligence Activities Relating to Iraq conducted by the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group and the Office of Special Plans within the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. The report found that the clandestine meetings between Pentagon officials and Iranians in Rome and Paris were inappropriate and mishandled from beginning to end. Deputy National Security Advisor Steve Hadley and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz failed to keep the Intelligence Community and the State Department appropriately informed about the meetings. The involvement of Manucher Ghobanifer and Michael Ledeen in the meetings was inappropriate. Potentially important information collected during the meetings was withheld from intelligence agencies by Pentagon officials. Finally, senior Defense Department officials cut short internal investigations of the meetings and failed to implement the recommendations of their own counterintelligence experts.

Today’s reports are the culmination of efforts that began in March 2003, when, as Vice Chairman, Senator Rockefeller initially requested an investigation into the origin of the fraudulent Niger documents. In June 2003, he was joined by all Democrats on the Committee in pushing for a full investigation into prewar intelligence, which was eventually expanded by the Committee in February 2004 to include the five phase II tasks.

The Committee released its first report on July 9, 2004, which focused primarily on the Intelligence Community’s prewar assessments of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs and links to terrorism. Those findings helped lay the foundation for some of the intelligence reforms enacted into law in late 2004.

In September 2006, the Committee completed and publicly released two sections of Phase II: The Use by the Intelligence Community of Information Provided by the Iraqi National Congress; and Postwar Findings About Iraq’s WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How They Compare with Prewar Assessments.

In May 2007, the Committee released the third section of Phase II: Prewar Intelligence Assessments About Postwar Iraq.

Separately, in early 2007, the Pentagon Inspector General released its own report on the intelligence activities conducted by the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy and also concluded that those activities were inappropriate.

:hs: ignorance is bliss. have a happy day. :D

By the way....did I mention I am glad Obama won? I did not care who won......I do not hold any party line. I think Obama will do as good a job as he can......just as Bush did.

There is plenty of bliss going around. You seem to have your share? I do not kid myself thats for sure. I am not a "Bush" supporter by the way....I just call it as I see it.

it appears to me that you only want to see what you want to see.

If you spent some time reading that time line your eyes would do this :shocked:

The time line is nothing but facts. No spin.. just facts.

there is a quote from Powell.. "Im not reading this. This is bull%$%$%$%$"..

Biden is like a greyhound they let out of the gate, he will chase ANY rabbitt placed in front of him. This guy will be the most entertaining part of the new administration.

He reminds me a lot of Ron Burgandy.... "Go f*ck yourself San Diego!"

i like
 

his "scary" factor

Many if not all of those on board said they had thier people check out the info before they voted to back Bush. So how do you back away from that. You can't legitimately, but you can try.

Nice smokescreen by Biden, Congers, Waxman et.al, sooz not to appoint a special prosecuter to see who in Congress was responsible for the Freddy, Fannie meltdown that has us headed for a "29" depression.

Enuff of :deadhorse: and investigating steroids in baseball.

what about torturing people. Is that o.k.? We didnt torture (as policy) german POWs. We let them play soccer in Alabama fields.

I was thinking the same thing. You want some bang for your prosecutorial buck, go after Frank and Dodd. Two individuals who are neck deep in the worst financial crisis since the great depression. Make the tax payers and those who were directly affected and fleeced feel like they can at least get some closure. Put a face to those who are guilty. I do not care what party they are from. Although I think we all know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg

Did I say that was ok??:hs:

I agree Bronko.

I was just asking... but it doesnt just end with "misleading"

but those sly ivy league lawyers of the DoD who thought up that crap should be held to account, no? There should be hearings and subsequent war crimes indictments. And if the higher ups are found to be complicit (Rumsfeld) they should be charged as well and if found guilty sent to prison. Do you agree, partisanship aside?

This administration broke the law, plain and simple. And what the hell is up with old dude's use of presidential signing statement. According to the American Bar Association his generous use of them (as opposed to Reagans or Bush Sr.) is "contrary to the rule of law and our constitutional system of separation of powers". I'd be sweating if I was Karl Rove....

With regard to the Bush Administration, I only offer this advice.

You can fool some people all the time and fool all people some of the time, But you cant fool ALL people ALL the time....

:love:

Bronko and Nebe, that theres living proof of the unity Obama brings to us all