Proposed new gas tax
 

I just saw that our fine Gov. Patrick is thinking about proposing a new .27/gallon gas tax on fuel sold in the commonwealth. According to the news that would make our gas prices the highest in the nation. I wasn't really listening because I kind of wished the devil would die a cruel and painful death. But is that on top of what we already pay?

Let's raise the flag on this one - :bs:

Yes, Weld raised last time.
Rumor is CaddilacDeval is on the short list for HHS.
Let's hope he accepts.

he's all talk and no action

they are also proposing a pay as you drive tax tied to a chip in your inspection sticker. That means big brother will be watching!!
And if you park by your UDL's for big mama's somebody could hack into find your spots!!!

I see you were at Pole 316 last night, nice fish btw, must what 50 lbs.

You really think that Tim Murray is going to be any better? :hs:

Whether he takes it or not--if he approves these two measures, he has one term wonder written all over him.

But hey--it's for the children, after all :rollem:

"Together we can"---drown

I didn't think there is any difference between any of them.
He'll probably apply to get his pension too when he leaves and hang out at the SweetPea Rancho.
He can already write the place off now that he hosted all the state flaks out there.

If that chip thing ever makes it, which it won't, there would be another Boston Tea Party. Maybe it's time anyway:wall:

funny their was no talk of a gas tax before the income tax vote.

they'll know you were there. unless you took mass transit :laugha:

These politicians need to start thinking on the common mans level for a change......you know....the folks that vote them in!!!!? Unemployment at a 40 year high and going higher......people that do have jobs are suffering cuts in pay, cutbacks in hours, and their employers are making them kick in a few more bucks for their health insurance!!!! Gas is expected to go up again, food costs are through the roof and folks are bending over backwards to make ends meet and these friggin arse holes want to tax us six ways till Sunday to make up for lost revenue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boston Tea Party???? How about just an old fashioned :hang:neck tie party for these stupid sons o' bitches!!!

to quote
Transportation Secretary James Aloisi. "A user-fee based system, collected electronically, is a fair way to pay for our transportation needs in the future."The draft says the "average user will pay about an additional $120 per year, less than the cost of two small Dunkin' Donuts coffees per week." Last month, Aloisi downplayed a new $6 annual Turnpike Fast Lane transponder fee as less than the cost of his turkey sandwich that day.


So you don't have to complain about DD anymore!!

Unless you work for the state, of course...:wall:

That job transfer to North Carolina isn't looking to bad anymore.

I wonder if they'll implant the chip in an R sticker? :rollem:

Guess again.

i'm ready to start throwing tea..... over board !!!

did ya see on the news where the people dumped couches
on the lawn of the banker that made 400 million bucks
to send him a clear message :doh:

I agree 100%. Let's see a show of hands on who voted for this idiot. My hands down. The Democrats in this state can pay for all of us. They want change, hope, etc. and continue to vote based on emotion rather then common sense. then they should pay for the change they crave. :mad:

This gas tax goes through your gonna see BigFish on the Statehouse steps with a sign....any guesses what it might say?!:wid:

obviously nobody wants to be taxed, but what are some other recomendations to raise money to pay for infrastucture improvements? gas tax seams pretty fair in that the burden paid by each person reflects their use of the system. i'd like to see the numbers behind the value that they came up with though. infrastructure improvements = jobs aswell (full disclosure - my job is one of those jobs).

trust me, the reports that our roads and bridges in MA are amongst if not the worst in the country are valid. something needs to be done. you'd be amazed what some of our structures look like up close.

Again the sins of the father being paid by the sons and daughters. Our state cut road improvements for 30 years. Now we have the big dig debt and a massive catchup cost on infrastructure.

I just don't believe taxing in a down way down economy is the way to get us out of the downward spiral.

Tax cuts and spending

"I'm a slacker who took the day off from work like the rest of these tools when I should be working on a letter writing campaign to my legislature."?

MA state avg is $1.88
AK state avg is $2.51

Your news station has awesome math skills.

here is the Rub.....The Gas tax is, according to the reports, to be used to pay for the Big Pig...er I mean Dig and for the MBTA Debt.

I don't live in Boston, I don't work in Boston or the Surrounding Communities.....So why do I have to pay for something I don't use.

If you want me to help pay then why not just increase tolls and Fares.....that way the people using these systems will be paying for them, and If I have to use one of them then I will be paying my Fair share..... Is it fair for people in Western MA to be paying for the Big Dig, a lot of them have never even seen it or for the "T" when they don't use it.

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They should tax gas into oblivion.

We don't need to increase dollars spent we just need a common sense approach. Lets say we cut the cop details, fund the improvements in one shot rather then dragging every freakin bridge rebuild out for 7 years. Get a grip on the hand outs to companies like Visa Flash etc. The waste factor alone should piss you off.

Isn't this what they said would happen if we eliminated the income tax. Well most of you voted to keep it and now your getting screwed again. Just bend over and ask for another. You will!

They should tax stupidity :1poke:

You are on a slippery slope TDF. Is it fair for me to have tax dollars go to public schools if I don't intend on sending my children to them? Is it fair that my tax dollars go to social programs that I not only don't believe in, but am disgusted by? Is it fair some of my tax dollars go to a monument or park in another corner of the state? The bottom line is these pigs want ALL your money and they want you to STFU. Even in the arguably the worst economic crisis in our countries history, these scumbags are lined up with their hands out trying to get some table scraps for their pet projects and special interests. It is sickening.

The stupidty tax would erase the national debt in an afternoon.:jester:

Your absolutely right.......it is a free good. :tooth:

Not entirely true. Many of us end up paying for the stupidity of others, over and over.

Mike, do you do legal work for the state like drug court, court appointed counsel, etc....?

Clogston, how about eliminating the pensions for state workers? Most public companies have. Right there , you'd save enough to fund the improvements.

Find all the no-show jobs, zero out the line item that pays them.

Let Deval fire some/all of the 1900 people/friends he personally put on the payroll since he was elected.

Take all the state issued cars back from people that drive around in them.

Don't hire any firm thats performs so poorly it hires a lobbyist/consultant (ex state rep./senator) to get back in the good graces of state government.

And for all of us to actually not re-elect these nitwits every four years. And in that regard it is our fault that these idiots are the way they are. They become more and more emboldened every time they are elected, because they get up in the morning and when looking in the mirror they say, " hey it must be what they want they voted for me"!

Its always more, more, more. Gimee, gimee, gimee. Somebody has to start saying no more.

Beyond that, "let the revolution begin"!

:claps: :btu: YEP

fix the problems, stop the wasteful spending don't tax us more. I can't understand why people vote for polititions that want to spend more money and make more government:hs:
People don't build big businesses by allowing wasteful spending, they budget and hold to it, why can't it be done with government? :af: no accountability

Yeah, I know its a slippery slope.....but the whole reason they are now talking gas tax is because this is what they originally wanted to do.....raise tolls and fares to pay for it....but all the people that actually use it Pissed and Moaned about it.......So now we ALL get to pay for it.

I guess That friggin Big Dig just rubs me the wrong way.....

Swimmer For Governor!:soon:

[QUOTE=.....The bottom line is these pigs want ALL your money and they want you to STFU. Even in the arguably the worst economic crisis in our countries history, these scumbags are lined up with their hands out trying to get some table scraps for their pet projects and special interests. It is sickening.[/QUOTE]

Lined up with their hands out, looking for SCRAPS????
It's more like their treating each and every budget as an "All you can eat" buffet, and they are using all the dinner plates and left us the saucer from a kids tea set.

Have you noticed that there has not been any mention at all about the state cutting back on any of their perks? Why don't they cut out the crap on capital hill FIRST, and then come back to us when they get their heads out of their a$$es, and then maybe we'll believe in them again. Until that time, they are nothing but worthless piles of bullsh**, and should be treated as such!

Added note****
The only mention was that the mayor and his staff were going to take a 3% pay cut. Sounds pawltry, but it shows they've got the balls to do something positive in these hard times.

your right about that, there is money to be saved there. problem is, if you cut the pensions of state transportation officials, you'll have to raise their salaries or they will just leave and work in the private sector. at least for engineers, state employees are underpaid in terms of annual salary. their other "perks" like pension, more vacation time, more holidays, etc. make up for that fact. last time i was looking around, private jobs were more than 10% higher. they need to find a balance. I don't know where that balance is and what will end up costing the state more in the long run.

the unions for state workers are another issue. some laborers are making obscene salaries just because they have been at (name your state transportation agency) for X years.

as far as people who don't commute into boston not wanting to pay for it, i think you just need to take a more "global" (or statewide) view. the state infrastructure on the whole is %$%$%$%$ed, not just in boston. and the state manages almost all roads and bridges in the state. the money raised from a gas tax will essentially get distributed proportionally to where/who the money comes from because the state's infrastructure is distributed proportionally to the commuting population. essentially, its all one fund. for example, when all those piece of crap bridges in groveland and haverhill spanning the merrimack get repaired/replaced/inspected, the money will come from the statewide transportation budget, not a collection of people in those towns.

there are lots of areas of state government that need to be made more efficient (i'm certainly not arguing that). I just feel that if the state needs money to fund infrastructure repairs and can provide backup to the value that they want to tax, somebody needs to pay for those repairs, that a gas tax IMO is a fair way to distribute the burden.

I don't have a problem with paying the tax to improve the roads and bridges, the money does have to come from somewhere, but 1/2 that tax is going to the MBTA and other transit authorities.

"The plan calls for the state's Highway Division to receive $325 million, or 12.5 cents, of the added 27 cents-per-gallon gas tax. The MBTA would receive $286 million, or 11 cents, while the regional transit authorities would receive $39 million, or 1.5 cents."

If the "T" needs money....raise the fares for the people that use it.....and If I decide to use it I will pay for it.


and how about this tidbit on top of it......now you will be taxed on how much you travel....

"Tolls would be removed west of Route 128 by the end of next year. Tolls within Route 128, from Weston to Boston, would come down as the state shifts to a program of tracking -- and charging -- all drivers based on the miles they travel.

Trips would be measured by a chip installed in a vehicle inspection sticker as soon as 2014"

"how about eliminating the pensions for state workers? Most public companies have. Right there , you'd save enough to fund the improvements."

Yea Jimmy...and why don't we just eliminate your social security benefits too....been paying in for your whole career. I don't give a damn...:doh: