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Jnatti 03-15-2009 02:23 PM

Striper Cup
 
Looked at the OTW site today, says its comming soon. Now that im settled down here on the cape, this summer should be full of fishing. Probably be hitting the beaches on the way to work in the morning....Can't wait....getting itchy....at least there still is turkey season:nailem: So whats your plan for the 2009 Striper Cup

JohnR 03-15-2009 06:01 PM

Hmm - dunno. Anyone think we should put a team together this year? :crying::hee:

striperman36 03-15-2009 06:13 PM

Maybe we should have 2 teams.
S-B Liberals
S-B Conservatives

tattoobob 03-15-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 673834)
Hmm - dunno. Anyone think we should put a team together this year? :crying::hee:

I'm out

Jnatti 03-15-2009 06:32 PM

John, I'd be down if there was a team striped-bass.com again this year...but then again it all depends on how many people want to be on it i guess. :huh:

Circlehook 03-15-2009 08:58 PM

I'm in

striperman36 03-15-2009 09:31 PM

Liberal or Conservative.

Circlehook 03-15-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by striperman36 (Post 673877)
Liberal or Conservative.

Libertarian-Loose Conservative.

snake slinger 03-16-2009 03:16 AM

im in.

BassDawg 03-16-2009 08:24 AM

WOW!!
 
ya talk about yer premature announciation!!
i've yet to even flirt with my gear and tackle,
let alone commence to wetting sum line~~~
:heybaby: :heybaby: :bl: :bl: :heybaby: :heybaby:


but seriously, gents, since OTW will not give
us a surf and boat division,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what say you
about encouraging the NPT Contingent to enter an
ALL SURF Team to level the playing field???

and, why stop there? perhaps, we could get others
RISAA, MSBA, NIB's Legions, DJ's Shorerats, Team Narragansett
to play nicey-nice and in this way create our own Surf Division Competition within the Striper Cup itself.

just an idea, me surfbruddahs, **it's not like The Cup needs any fixing or anything**
:uhuh: :uhuh: :uhuh:

Raven 03-16-2009 08:46 AM

BassDawg
 
i like the way you think

BassDawg 03-16-2009 09:23 AM

thanks, bro!

the feelings mutual, although~~~
if i had 1/2 yer photoshop SKILLS

i could get offa the iron and into a cubicle!!!

:hang: :cputin: :hang:



on second thought,,,,,,,,,,i'll keep me day job.

Rappin Mikey 03-16-2009 12:02 PM

There is no surf division this year???

JohnR 03-16-2009 12:32 PM

Haven't heard anything or any changes from OTW this year.

I know I would like to see a LOWER maximum amount of fish that can be entered (even though in reality most people re not entering anywhere near the max amount of fish) to reduce impact of the tourney.

Maybe we as a team should better track what our top 10 are so we know on a near daily basis what fish make no sense keeping in regards to the tournament. We did OK last year but can probably tweak a bit for the better.

The Dad Fisherman 03-16-2009 12:40 PM

There is a Surf Division....There just isn't a Surf TEAM Division.

angler229 03-16-2009 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 674004)
Haven't heard anything or any changes from OTW this year.

I know I would like to see a LOWER maximum amount of fish that can be entered (even though in reality most people re not entering anywhere near the max amount of fish) to reduce impact of the tourney.

Maybe we as a team should better track what our top 10 are so we know on a near daily basis what fish make no sense keeping in regards to the tournament. We did OK last year but can probably tweak a bit for the better.

On that note I would love to see them bump up the minimum size of fish to 40" or more for the adult division. Fish smaller than this size have no impact on cup points or weekly winners. But for the kids the 36" size allows them a much better chance at weighing in a fish.

Circlehook 03-16-2009 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 674004)
Haven't heard anything or any changes from OTW this year.

I know I would like to see a LOWER maximum amount of fish that can be entered (even though in reality most people re not entering anywhere near the max amount of fish) to reduce impact of the tourney.

Maybe we as a team should better track what our top 10 are so we know on a near daily basis what fish make no sense keeping in regards to the tournament. We did OK last year but can probably tweak a bit for the better.

Can you make a locked forum for team members to touch base??

BassDawg 03-16-2009 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 674008)
There is a Surf Division....There just isn't a Surf TEAM Division.

absolutely RIGHT, TDF!

i think that you know what i meant.
and THANKS for your clarification,,,,,,,,,,,
:claps: :claps: :claps:

since OTW won't give us seperate TEAM divisions,
in my view, it would be cool if we would configure our TEAMS
so that we WOULD have teams that were ALL Surf.
:uhuh: :uhuh: :uhuh:

i also would like to see a minimum slot of 40"+,
to limit needless kills and to encourage C&R,,,,,,,

RIJIMMY 03-16-2009 01:49 PM

BD, just curious, why?
Im pretty sure all 10 of the SB fish last year where surf caught so its not like there was a big advantage to having boats involved. Since this site is made up of a mix of both, why not have a mixed team? Why does it matter?




Quote:

Originally Posted by BassDawg (Post 674070)
absolutely RIGHT, TDF!

i think that you know what i meant.
and THANKS for your clarification,,,,,,,,,,,
:claps: :claps: :claps:

since OTW won't give us seperate TEAM divisions,
in my view, it would be cool if we would configure our TEAMS
so that we WOULD have teams that were ALL Surf.
:uhuh: :uhuh: :uhuh:

i also would like to see a minimum slot of 40"+,
to limit needless kills and to encourage C&R,,,,,,,


fishbones 03-16-2009 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 674082)
BD, just curious, why?
Im pretty sure all 10 of the SB fish last year where surf caught so its not like there was a big advantage to having boats involved. Since this site is made up of a mix of both, why not have a mixed team? Why does it matter?

I agree, why would you exclude the boaters? Maybe BD is predjudice and he thinks that boat fishermen aren't good enough to be in the same company as the surf guys.:huh:

RIJIMMY 03-16-2009 02:20 PM

it would be sad if you have 2 groups - boat and surf and separately you dont have enough for 1st place, but combined you would have won.

Sea Dangles 03-16-2009 02:42 PM

OTW has told me personally and via email that they will never have seperate divisions.Something about cameraderie yada yada.I can never envision a handicap system where boat and surf guys will be satisfied with the handicap.Even last year was waay too much as is indicated by our top fish all being surf fish in spite of a banner year from the boat guys.Chris Meaghan is a great guy and runs an awesome tournament but seems to be missing the point here.I'm sure he has sponsors to appease as well as other outside pressures to influence his decision making so like it or leave it. My impression is OTW doesn't show much love for the boat guys. If they ever did decide to make different divisions perhaps the accomplishments of many hardcore anglers would have more merit.Fortunately decisions and impressions aren't based on hypothetical scenarios such as the ones Bassdawg presents.

Back Beach 03-16-2009 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 674095)
I can never envision a handicap system where boat and surf guys will be satisfied with the handicap.Even last year was waay too much as is indicated by our top fish all being surf fish in spite of a banner year from the boat guys.

Even with the above said, I still feel like the team portion is as fair as it can get. The distribution of big fish is different every year and last years big hitters may or may not repeat their successes in 2009. A big part of fishing success depends on what shows up in your local waters.
I wouldn't change anything about the tourney at this point, except they need a system that will update the standings more quickly and avoid unnecessary kills. I personally took two big fish last year that could have been released as they didn't factor into the tourney.

JohnR 03-16-2009 03:50 PM

Agree with the above but I do like the 40 inch minimum for adults. That 36-39.9 range ain't gonna do anything and the rare 40" fish weighing 30 pounds is just that rare other than in claims on the Internet. To sweeten the anxiety :conf: how about making it so you can only weigh in two fish per calendar month. That'll add some sleepless nights :hihi:

The point ratio for the shore fish is probably about accurate as it will get.

Jnatti 03-16-2009 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 674004)
Haven't heard anything or any changes from OTW this year.

I know I would like to see a LOWER maximum amount of fish that can be entered (even though in reality most people re not entering anywhere near the max amount of fish) to reduce impact of the tourney.

Maybe we as a team should better track what our top 10 are so we know on a near daily basis what fish make no sense keeping in regards to the tournament. We did OK last year but can probably tweak a bit for the better.

I'm with you john, and i agree with the forum for the team...it would provide for real time tracking...it wouldn't be worth keeping a questionable fish if you know that its obvious that the top 10 are grabbing ones that are bigger

J

snake slinger 03-16-2009 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 674082)
BD, just curious, why?
Im pretty sure all 10 of the SB fish last year where surf caught so its not like there was a big advantage to having boats involved. Since this site is made up of a mix of both, why not have a mixed team? Why does it matter?

yes and the year before when we won it they were all surf fish

Sea Dangles 03-16-2009 06:52 PM

With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.

striperman36 03-16-2009 06:56 PM

Did not see a large fish from the boat last year at all. Last year was probably the slowest boat year I've seen in 15 years.
I am with the 40-45 inch minimum for entrance.
It's a shame we couldn't do a C&R tournament, but that is something that is too prone to 'influence' that I just don't see it happening.

intrepid24 03-16-2009 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 674203)
With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.

...for the sake of humility, perhaps the handicap should be abolished !
would the surf division be as dominant ?

BassDawg 03-16-2009 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 674082)
BD, just curious, why?
Im pretty sure all 10 of the SB fish last year where surf caught so its not like there was a big advantage to having boats involved. Since this site is made up of a mix of both, why not have a mixed team? Why does it matter?

my point precisely,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

i'm not trying to be exclusionary, more along the lines
of leveling the playing field for ALL teams. the reason we entered 10 surf fish is because our TEAM's 10 largest bass were surf caught.

i mostly thought that it would be more interesting that way, and a way to divide the TEAM competition into two divisions~~~~

since apparently OTW will not and cannot according to ChrisDangles.
:bl: :bl: :bl:

BassDawg 03-16-2009 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intrepid24 (Post 674208)
...for the sake of humility, perhaps the handicap should be abolished !
would the surf division be as dominant ?


spoken like a true boatsman!!!
yeah 'cause boat fish and surf fish are the SAME!!!
:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

yer sheeetin' me, RIGHT? let's move forward
not backwards, bro. .02 seemed to work fine last year.
:kewl: :kewl: :kewl:

The Dad Fisherman 03-16-2009 09:17 PM

Here's a novel idea....Read ALL the rules...... if you agree to them then by all means enter the tourney and enjoy the hell out of it.........and don't biatch about how its run because by sending in your entry fee you agreed to abide by THEIR RULES.

If you don't agree with them then fold up the bills, stuff them back in your wallet and don't enter........and don't biatch about how its run....because by Not sending in the entry fee it means absolutely nothing to you on how its run.

it really is that simple.....enter or don't....your choice. ....:wall:

intrepid24 03-16-2009 09:23 PM

i think the rules are fine, and i'm happy fishing anywhere i can.

Back Beach 03-17-2009 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 674203)
With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.

You're right Chris, but they did address the issue fairly, IMO.

If they lower the ratio to 1.15 its still fair. Any lower and the boaters have the advantage. Schaeffer was 1.15 and the contest went for many years and was always competitive.

jim sylvester 03-17-2009 08:00 AM

[QUOTE=Sea Dangles;674203]With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.[/QUOTE






.

jim sylvester 03-17-2009 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 674203)
With a handicap like the one you enjoyed for that victory the tournament was over before it started.


You're kidding, right chris.

we weren't the only team that year that was dominated by surf caught fish. every team in the top 5 I believe were surf oriented teams

I agree, boat dominated teams had no shot that year....but to say that WE won specifically because of the handicap rule is wrong.......If I remember correctly....NIB'S jersey suf team and us went down to the last week

maddmatt 03-17-2009 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by striperman36 (Post 673835)
Maybe we should have 2 teams.
S-B Liberals
S-B Conservatives

not fair!

-liberals are gonna get to add 1/3 of our weight to their fish (asset reallocation) and since they're all on welfare they can fish more while were funding them.

RIROCKHOUND 03-17-2009 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 674235)
If you don't agree with them then fold up the bills, stuff them back in your wallet and don't enter........and don't biatch about how its run....because by Not sending in the entry fee it means absolutely nothing to you on how its run.

it really is that simple.....enter or don't....your choice. ....:wall:

Great point.
Thats why I keep my wallet shut. Not my cup of tea, but I won't gripe about it :tm:

Nebe 03-17-2009 09:23 AM

Same here. I don't think that killing the stocks of a species that was almost wiped out once and may be on the brink agian is worth competing over.
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fishaholic18 03-17-2009 09:27 AM

It will all come to an end soon anyway.....


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