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They had said this new report wasn't going to be good, but I didn't think it would contain stuff like this.

-spence

and the BIG difference between the horribly mean talking interrogator and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is that Mohammed WOULD ACTUALLY happily kill your children ...

I think we need to release some details of Al Qaeda interrogations...for a little of that "context" you're always yapping about :uhuh:

Hmm, timing an investigation at the peak of the HC dissent by the astro turfs,
could this be the old "broken wing" trick?

We all know that the threats were frivolous. Spence, see if you could find out how many American lives were or maybe have been saved with the info from that type of interrogation saved.

Right, because if they can do it, why shouldn't we?

With your logic, we should be able to abduct family members of possible terrorists and then send them videos of us beheading their loved ones.

Personally, I see no problems with the above CIA interrogation techniques.

but Spence and MSNBC are all "WEE, WEED UP" over words, just words......pretty sad


and yes, this was released to placate and coalesce the base that is wandering away from "God's Partner"....Panetta was hardly amused....

Yea, cause MSNBC made it all up...

http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politi...techniques.htm

Perhaps the scariest thing you've ever posted. Thanks for showing your true colors...

-spence

If JohnnyD is OK with the techniques, I would guess that the "mainstream" would also have no objections. I would suspect that most Americans would expect this sort of thing, not be shocked or horrified by it. I, also, agree with JohnnyD.

Perhaps the scariest thing you've ever posted. Thanks for showing your true colors...

-spence

what the hell are you talking about Hot Bottom?
I never said it was "made up", just that you are all "wee weed up"
JD IS mainstream:uhuh:

You mean like the humane way they interogated Nick Berg?


If you search for it its there, but DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO!!! Once you do, you cant un-watch it... It will be stuck in your brain,,, hearing him scream and plead for his life.... There is a Huge difference between us and them.......

Are you a complete idiot, or is tonight just a bad night?

-spence

Maybe in your eyes.....

What ever we did or do to those involved is perfectly fine with me, if it saved or saves live in the US....

You wanna jump on the "screw America band wagon" every chance you get... They did what they did, and we did what we had to.. ...

So is today, Spence's day to be a total "ass"? or are you having a bad day?

And operators will kill women and children.
A job is a job.

That's just the lamest sort of BS there is. A weak cop out to avoid a little thought.

Force you to admit your %$%$%$%$ might stink the least bit and you just wrap the flag tighter around your own neck.

These images were created and published for YOUR CONSUMPTION in the hope that you might compromise what you claim to value most.

And you still don't see it.

-spence

You have stated something to the effect that you are not interested in what was working 70 years ago but what works for today. I don't know what TODAYS American values most, or claims to value most, but the founding of this country was based on the proposition that what was most valuable was life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Life was risked and lost for that proposition, and an attitude of "don't tread on me" was born of it. I don't know what the murderers of Nick Berg thought Americans value most, but the guy who did the cutting found that he stepped on the wrong folks. I don't know if he was some keen philosopher that had insight into the American psyche. Maybe, he thought all Americans are like you, and he published his horror in hopes that SUCH Americans would compromise whatever you all claim to value most. Obviously, since you don't approve of the CIA's methods, he didn't succeed. Most assuredly, he didn't scare us away because he didn't understand what the OTHER Americans value most.

Over my head; what do you mean "not interested in what was working 70 years ago?".

you are making absolutely no sense, but this is fun...Spence Alynski, why do you hate America so much, you clearly sympathize with the terrorists, thanks for showing YOUR true colors :uhuh: ????

What I find so interesting is that those who claim to hold their principals highest (i.e. the rule of law) also seem to be the first to cast them aside when it suits their interests.

We can't defend our freedoms if we have not foundation from which to fight. Always believing that the ends justify the means makes us just like them...

Re posting graphic images, in the hopes of influencing action without thought - is doing just that.

-spence

we can't defend our freedom if whiners like you get weak-kneed and wee weed because an interrogator yelled at a mass murdering terrorist...:rotf2:

is it against the law to yell at or threaten mass murdering terrorists?

if you can's see the difference and want to continue to draw some moral equivalence to the way that we conduct ourselves and the way that the radical islamists conduct themselves you are simply delusional...what's the matter with you? :wall:

In this situation you do what you have to do. We are under attack. Every war the enemy is always demonized and made to be inhuman. This is nothing compared to the sick %$%$%$%$ that went on in WW2 or Viet Nam. It ALWAYS happens. ALWAYS. Thats why we should be dam sure before we delcare war on any other country. I say forgive and forget can't do anything about it now. When you release the dogs of war they all get released, even the ones in the special cages.

I hope this is in jest and you feel this is as foolish as I do... Verbal threats about violence to the family of the mastermind of 9/11... Firing a gun in the cell next to the bomber of the USS Cole and saying we will shoot you next... staging fake beatings...

You really have problems with this type of interrogation? Seriously?

Liberals bitched and moaned about things allegedly that went down Abu Grahib and then later whined about the use of water boarding, the "Physical" tools of interrogation.

Now you have problems with the "verbal" tools? Things like lies...completely contrived and absurd threats....Saying they are going to "get" a family member?

What do you think happens in an interrogation, how do you propose we cull life saving information form mass murderers like Sheik Mohammmed?

Egyptian Cotton sheets and truffles just aren't going to cut it comrad.

and why do you hate America so much that you'll throw 230 years of having the moral high ground away to be like a bunch of POS terrorists.

PaulS, you just don't get it,
Because stooping down a level or two is OK, we're America...

Spence, you do understand why this story is being put out there for public consumption right now, don't you? You fell for it hook line, and sinker.

Yup, this story will beat to death to try and keep citizens distracted from HC.

?????:confused: I believe the bar has been moved to accomodate a political attack for advantage from the radical left on this issue...read a little history beginning with George Washington, I think you'll find "threatening terrorists" to be fairly a fairly mundane incident in our past 230 years...which makes the reaction by some completely hilarious and disturbing at the same time...nothing more that a carrot for the whackos...

Liberals, in general, will take the high ground when it suits their
political agenda, but when it comes to late term abortion it's OK to take a life.

Will it be allowed to sneak up behind a captured terrorist and yell Boo?

who cares....

they'll stop at nothing....

the suicidal explosives they are strapping onto
kidnapped children to blow up our citizens in the military
should allow us to use any means possible to
extract info out of them...

This is being pushed by Jan Schanowky from Illinois. Enough said. If you can't admit that this is politcally motivated then you are an idiot ( no offense, it just seems to be a name people like to use here). And I'm sure we have not had the moral high ground for 230 yrs. We have aways had people that will do whatever it takes to save others.
It's as simple as " if your kid was burried alive" Those that say they would do nothing... well I'm glad Your not my parent.

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Is it claustrophobic underground?
What did your parents have to do? :D
I would have left you there :D


OF COURSE this was politically motivated, EVERYTHING that is not breaking news (i.e. released) FROM BOTH sides is timed for maximum efficiency. it is unfortunate that these games get played, but it doesn't change the story, it only changes the context of WHEN it was released.

The only thing that bothers me about this story is that it did not remain a secret. The SOB that made it public should be in jail.

Brian, I'm sure your smart enough to understand what I meant. (FYI, I never said you were an idiot, that's your fabrication.) You would do whatever it takes to save your child. Am I wrong? It's a simple yes or no answer. Would you threaten someone? Would you put a gun to their head? YES or NO

A political witch hunt that will hurt our national security is not my idea of the "moral highground". Is it yours?

None of us are idiots. Just playing with your words a bit.. I think you referred to liberals as idiots many moons ago... thats the quote, not me personally... :D

of course it is yes, but they still have not shown that ANY of this works to get credible information, so why do we continue to do it and hurt our credibility with the rest of the non-terrorist world...

That being said, do I believe there are always people willing to do anything? yes. Is that a bad thing, no, BUT it is a very fine line to walk.

My worry is where does it lead, and whats next? This stuff being done to the wrong person? Americans? Not a big deal, if it saves 100 lives, ends justify the means etc.. is not a the only answer to me...

jail's to good for him.............

he should be air dropped with a parachute in the middle of the Serengeti....

Sorry, I should have made it clear that in this sentence I was referring to one of Spence's responses in another thread.

I agree with you Brian, Where do you draw the line? I'm going to let people more knowledgable then me (insert joke here) make that decision. My problem is rehashing this won't do any of us any good, will hurt moral at the CIA, cost millions and millions, act as a distraction, and divide an already divided country. What we know now is that our new methods are to treat terrorist with the respect and dignity they deserve. I feel so much safer now.

[QUOTE=spence;707437]What I find so interesting is that those who claim to hold their principals highest (i.e. the rule of law) also seem to be the first to cast them aside when it suits their interests.

I find interesting the construction "those who . . . also". I have no idea nor evidence that the CIA interrogators hold the rule of law as their highest principle. On the contrary, they may hold the security of the citizens of this country as a higher principle. Nor do I find evidence that, if they have cast any principles aside, that they are the first to do it. Nor do I find any evidence that the vast majority of U.S. citizens, nor any large number of citizens of this planet, hold the rule of law as their highest principle.

We can't defend our freedoms if we have not foundation from which to fight. Always believing that the ends justify the means makes us just like them...-spence[QUOTE]

We do not "always" believe that the ends justify the means, but at some critical times, they very well may. If we do not believe our way of life, our citizenry, are no more valuable to us than those who would destroy us, if we are not willing to defend our existence with the utmost ferocity, our world may well not end with a bang, but a whimper.

IDIOT :smash:

A person having a mentel age of less then 3 years old.

A stupid or foolish person.

Someone fitting the discription above would be considered an IDIOT. :rotf2:

Since the word is used quite frequently in this forum I thought it a good idea to put the definition. :spam:

This argument isn't about the timing of the release.

It's about the obvious duplicity that undermines our real objectives.

And for being weak, it takes a far stronger person to live by their own word.
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Hmmm... I guess it would take a lot of strength to stick to your beliefs, and not do everything in your power to stop/prevent a terrorist act. I know I don't have, or want that kind of strength. I was raised that when you see someone in need you help them, when you see someone being hurt, you stop those hurting them.. Even if it means you may just add your name to the list of those being hurt, you have to do all you can to stop or prevent it.

Maybe I'm the one who's morally wrong, but even if some scumbag had a relative of yours (child, mother, sister...) and we had his partner in crime... I would get the information out of scumbag #2, no matter what, to save your relative.

So put that on a bigger scale,, just think what I would do to get info from a terrorist to save thousands of peoples relatives...

And did I read that right earlier, that you think those photos are faked, or fabricated? I have seen 5 or 6 similar videos of these "be headings" and they are not faked or fabricated.