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Clammer 10-15-2009 09:55 PM

GOOD OL,E USA ><><>><
 
HAVE WE GROWN ??????

A JUDGE IN LOUISIANA REFUSED TO GRANT A MARIAGE LICENSE TO A INTERRACIAL COUPLE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BECAUSE HE WAS CONCERN FOR THE CHILDREN OF THE COUPLE ><>><>< IF THEY HAD HAD ANY :::


WICKED %$%$%$%$ED UP ><><:smash::smash::wall:

Saltheart 10-15-2009 10:18 PM

Please say this was in 1847 and not 2009!!

Unreal

JohnnyD 10-15-2009 11:08 PM

Stories like this that come from the South are of no surprise to me. Those people are at least 30 years behind the rest of the country.

I don't think you can say the Good Ole USA. Those people are practically from a different nation. I mean come on, we're talking about an area where they hold Civil War Reenactments where the Confederacy actually wins.

Clammer 10-15-2009 11:24 PM

TODAY,S MSN ><><><><

Raven 10-16-2009 04:42 AM

another for the sake of the children feeble excuse

does this guy not read?

in the future it is said that the whole population
will be interracially colored. :smash:

The Dad Fisherman 10-16-2009 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven (Post 717713)
in the future it is said that the whole population will be interracially colored. :smash:


I'm willing to help.....anyone got Beyonce's Phone Number. :hee:

I was stationed down south for a few years way back and there are some serious backward thinking people down there. I remember listening to a guy in a bar that was still pissed his side lost the civil war :huh:

Judge is an Idiot....

Raven 10-16-2009 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 717717)
I remember listening to a guy in a bar that was still pissed his side lost the civil war :huh:
....

When i was living in Atlanta on a construction job......

i made the mistake of telling a co worker that i wasn't born in California
having just moved from there....and that i was actually born in massachusetts.

instantly the guys eyes turned cold and evil looking....
he stopped the conversation got up slowly and walked over
and talked to the boss who instantly called me over to talk
....gave me a bunch of crap over nothin and Fired me on the spot.

their war will never end....
they are like the Japanese in that regard......fighting a 1000 year war.

The Dad Fisherman 10-16-2009 06:06 AM

I was called a Yankee a couple of times.....and if you know anything about me, you can't possibly call me anything worse :af:

The Dad Fisherman 10-16-2009 06:10 AM

It was a Justice of the Peace.....not a Judge. Still an idiot, just a different Job Title

Interracial couple denied marriage license in La. - Yahoo! News

Cool Beans 10-16-2009 06:41 AM

I dont think its that big a deal... not all that different from a doctor refusing to to abortions, or heart surgery on certain patients he may deem as high risk.

He didn't tell them they could not get married, just that he wouldn't do it. He even suggested the other guy in the Parish that would do it.

It's a personal choice he has made that is based on his moral beliefs.

Its a personal choice to marry who you want, it's his personal choice not to marry people he doesn't think will make it. I bet he wouldn't marry gays either.. or a Baptist to a Satanist... or a shepherd to a bulldog...

PaulS 10-16-2009 06:54 AM

CB - sounds like you'd fit in there?

spence 10-16-2009 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 717733)
I dont think its that big a deal... not all that different from a doctor refusing to to abortions, or heart surgery on certain patients he may deem as high risk.

He didn't tell them they could not get married, just that he wouldn't do it. He even suggested the other guy in the Parish that would do it.

It's a personal choice he has made that is based on his moral beliefs.

Its a personal choice to marry who you want, it's his personal choice not to marry people he doesn't think will make it. I bet he wouldn't marry gays either.. or a Baptist to a Satanist... or a shepherd to a bulldog...

The only explanation for this post is an early morning troll.

-spence

Raven 10-16-2009 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 717742)
The only explanation for this post is an early morning troll.

-spence

is he living under the bridge?

The Dad Fisherman 10-16-2009 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 717733)
I dont think its that big a deal... not all that different from a doctor refusing to to abortions, or heart surgery on certain patients he may deem as high risk....

Actually it is different....he's refusing to provide them a State Service. What he should have done in your scenario is give them the Marriage certificate and then point them someplace else to have their ceremony.....then he could use personal choice.

buckman 10-16-2009 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 717707)
Stories like this that come from the South are of no surprise to me. Those people are at least 30 years behind the rest of the country.

I don't think you can say the Good Ole USA. Those people are practically from a different nation. I mean come on, we're talking about an area where they hold Civil War Reenactments where the Confederacy actually wins.

Didn't you just say that there should be a test before people are allowed to have children? :rotf2:

JohnnyD 10-16-2009 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 717808)
Didn't you just say that there should be a test before people are allowed to have children? :rotf2:

You are dead on, my friend. Perfect example above.

JohnnyD 10-16-2009 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 717733)
I dont think its that big a deal... not all that different from a doctor refusing to to abortions, or heart surgery on certain patients he may deem as high risk.

He didn't tell them they could not get married, just that he wouldn't do it. He even suggested the other guy in the Parish that would do it.

It's a personal choice he has made that is based on his moral beliefs.

Its a personal choice to marry who you want, it's his personal choice not to marry people he doesn't think will make it. I bet he wouldn't marry gays either.. or a Baptist to a Satanist... or a shepherd to a bulldog...

This sounds like one big, round-a-bout way of saying "I agree with him and would have done the same thing."

His stated issue wasn't that "he doesn't think they'll make it", it was because of the hardships their children *might* have to deal with growing up. And that he "just doesn't believe in mixing the races that way."

Again, please at least read the article before you make your bass-akwards, redneck posts.

buckman 10-16-2009 11:27 AM

"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

Well I'm convinced:rotf2:

RIJIMMY 10-16-2009 11:40 AM

I actually agree with Cool Beans. Not a big deal. Whatever happened to "I may not agree with your opinion but will die for your right to say it". Its his opinion, his choice. Ask yourself this - How many churches across america will not let people of other faiths marry in their churches? Will Catholic priests marry non-Catholics? Can you be divorced and get married in a church? Before you jump all over me - Im in an inter-racial marriage and have little mixed kiddies.

JohnnyD 10-16-2009 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 717858)
I actually agree with Cool Beans. Not a big deal. Whatever happened to "I may not agree with your opinion but will die for your right to say it". Its his opinion, his choice. Ask yourself this - How many churches across america will not let people of other faiths marry in their churches? Will Catholic priests marry non-Catholics? I didnt think so.
Before you jump all over me - Im in an inter-racial marriage and have little mixed kiddies.

"I may not agree with your opinion but will die for your right to say it." doesn't apply to people in the public service.

Churches are completely different from public service workers - separation of church and state.

Should Emergency Medical Professionals legally be allowed to ignore someone dying of an overdose, due to a feeling of "if he doesn't care enough for his life, why should I?"

Should an investigator be able to ignore a scantily dressed woman's report of being raped because "she was probably asking for it"? It's his opinion.

You have a right to your opinion if you want to be critical of the President, state that global warming does or doesn't exist, or go to the town hall and tell them there are too many trees in town. You have an obligation to be and objective, neutral party when you're a civil service worker.

JohnnyD 10-16-2009 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 717853)
"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

Well I'm convinced:rotf2:

No kidding. I was reading the article waiting for him to be like, "I love black people. I let them come over and mow my lawn. Every few years I give some of the local colored kids 50 cents each to paint my fence. This one time I said, "homie, what is up". That's how they talk right?"

I mean come on now, who is actually buying this guy's bs?

The Dad Fisherman 10-16-2009 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 717858)
I actually agree with Cool Beans. Not a big deal. Whatever happened to "I may not agree with your opinion but will die for your right to say it". Its his opinion, his choice.

His opinion can begin after he issues the State license.....then he is more than free to send them somewhere else for the ceremony. Can the guy at the registry refuse to issue you a license or plates because he feels that a black man has a better chance of being in an accident.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 717858)
Ask yourself this - How many churches across america will not let people of other faiths marry in their churches? Will Catholic priests marry non-Catholics? I didnt think so.

That is for the ceremonial portion of the process.....can the clerk at the town hall who issues the License say No based on that same argument.....I didn't think so.

RIJIMMY 10-16-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 717863)
"I may not agree with your opinion but will die for your right to say it." doesn't apply to people in the public service.

Churches are completely different from public service workers - separation of church and state.

Should Emergency Medical Professionals legally be allowed to ignore someone dying of an overdose, due to a feeling of "if he doesn't care enough for his life, why should I?"

Should an investigator be able to ignore a scantily dressed woman's report of being raped because "she was probably asking for it"? It's his opinion.

You have a right to your opinion if you want to be critical of the President, state that global warming does or doesn't exist, or go to the town hall and tell them there are too many trees in town. You have an obligation to be and objective, neutral party when you're a civil service worker.

so whats the debate? I said its no big deal. yes a public servant broke the rules,,,,,,so? Fire him, take away his liscence, who cares But to make front page headlines is silly or think this is some massive undercurrent in society. More fuel for the race pimps. something out of nothing.
BTW - it is policy and LAW that many public entities use the color of someones skin to make decisions about them - its called affirmative action. outrage? disgust?

dad F - I agree w/you. But this is NOT newsworthy.

numbskull 10-16-2009 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckman (Post 717853)
" "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

They have bathrooms in Louisiana?

The Dad Fisherman 10-16-2009 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 717869)
But this is NOT newsworthy.

I agree with that too....waste of time.

Saltheart 10-16-2009 12:21 PM

I'm glad to hear it was a JOP and not a judge. Still pretty backwards thinking though!

The Dad Fisherman 10-16-2009 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by numbskull (Post 717877)
They have bathrooms in Louisiana?

Yep.....But if you here Banjo music, Pull 'em up REAL Quick.......and sinch that belt tight.

JohnnyD 10-16-2009 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 717869)
so whats the debate? I said its no big deal. yes a public servant broke the rules,,,,,,so? Fire him, take away his liscence, who cares But to make front page headlines is silly or think this is some massive undercurrent in society. More fuel for the race pimps. something out of nothing.
BTW - it is policy and LAW that many public entities use the color of someones skin to make decisions about them - its called affirmative action. outrage? disgust?

dad F - I agree w/you. But this is NOT newsworthy.

No, you said you agree with what Cool Beans said, who basically stated that Bardwell was in the right for doing what he did.
Any race discrimination story makes headlines because it fires people up. Some people are in disbelief that the actions still take place, others play the "see I told you it still happens" card, and some agree with the discrimination.

Affirmative action is outdated and is on its way out. But stories like this add fuel to the fire and for some, justify a continued need for affirmative action.

RIROCKHOUND 10-16-2009 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 717733)
I dont think its that big a deal... I bet he wouldn't marry gays either.. or a Baptist to a Satanist... or a shepherd to a bulldog...

Holy %$%$%$%$ did your stripes just get exposed.

The world is a scary place, and while I'm an uber-tolerant, tree-hugging liberal, I can't imagine anyone still having the thought that two people, in a CIVIL service, can't get married based on race, gender whatever, period. I understand there are religious ramifications to gay marriage, but interracial? Ignorant, racist people make me sick.

Is it newsworthy, front page material? No, but it certainly speaks towards how intolerant people can still be in this country.

PaulS 10-16-2009 02:01 PM

he should resign.

fishbones 10-16-2009 02:21 PM

I just read the story and the JP actually says " I try to treat everyone equally". I guess he means he tries to treat anyone who isn't in a mixed race relationship equally.

JP's aren't state employees. They are appointed or elected and can legally marry people, but not much else.

RIJIMMY 10-16-2009 02:26 PM

he didnt say they CANT, he just said he WONT

RIJIMMY 10-16-2009 02:30 PM

What he is doing is using his judgement to influence what he feels will be best in the future for potential children. I agree with all of you, its crazy. But, I agree with CB, that its his option. he chooses not to marry interracial couples. he should be punished as appropriate by the law. But does this qualify for a discrimination suit? God help us. oops. I mean heaven help us. I mean, what do I mean?

RIJIMMY 10-16-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saltheart (Post 717880)
I'm glad to hear it was a JOP and not a judge. Still pretty backwards thinking though!

Seriously, like thinking the judgement of a latina woman is better than a white male, crazy!

FishermanTim 10-16-2009 02:39 PM

The JOP shouldn't have marries his sister:biglaugh:

Reminds me of a line from a Fools song: She's my grandma, she's my mother, she's my wife. :rotf2:

Just another state official superimposing their beliefs over the laws of the people.

RIJIMMY 10-16-2009 02:48 PM

I think you are all whacked today. How did he superimpose his beliefs?
He said no, I'm not doing it. period
The key is I"M not doing it as in HE is not doing it.
HIS CHOICE.
I disagree with his choice and let him pay the price, but what most of you are doing is superimposing your beliefs on HIM! Abortion is legal, do all doctors HAVE to perform an abortion?

FishermanTim 10-16-2009 03:04 PM

Let's stick with the issue of the marriage.

As a public official, he has the right to say no to a couple, but not for HIS reasons, like his concerns over their having an interracial child.
If he were denying them his services because they were brother and sister, 1st cousins, or a man and a sheep then it would be ligit because of legal circumstances.
Once he denied them based on his SPECULATIONS on what a child of thiers may/may not have to deal with, he crossed the line.

Now if he specifically interjected race into his explaination to the couple, they might be able to claim racial discrimination. Otherwise, they can claim their civil rights have been denied: the right as a couple to get married.
Unless a law has been passed that outlaws/forbids interracial marriages, he cannot deny them the marriage certificate.

If he only denied them the CEREMONY, then all they have is a complaint to the powers that be in that neck of the woods.

I'm done. Have a nice warm dry weekend!

Clammer 10-16-2009 04:41 PM

SORRY I MADE THE 1ST POST ><><><:smash:



BUT ::


25 years ago my sister met a guy while she was living & working in BOSTON ............ he was from Virginia .
They decided to get married & have the service in Boston .
They got married ina Catholic church / he isn,t catholic // I couldn,t care less .
If she was happy /I was happy for her .
NOW GET THIS ::

WITHOUT HERE KNOWLEDGE

when they played the music to leave the church / walking down the isle stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He paid them to play >>>>>>>>>>>> Dixie & had the Conferarite {SP} Flag flying from the church ;;

to this day I don,t know how he got out of Boston alive ;;

&&&&&&&&&& If I knew later /now .what was going on in that marriage while they went back to Virginia .he wouldn,t look for a job >UP NORTH }}
ON SHELIA,s soul / he,d be F $%^&*( dead or as close as you can get ;;
That,s also the reason I didn,t find out about things until years later ;;

After going to Virginia /in the time they were married / with my wife & young kids .I can say they really / truly believe the south will rise again ;;
They even had prices for locals & then a price for northerners // on things / like repair service, home heating oil/ stuff that doesn,t have price tags on it ;;

Payback is a bitch & I ain,t dead yeT :fury:

Cool Beans 10-16-2009 05:12 PM

Many good points here, however Dadfisherman, a marriage license can be obtained at any of Virginia's 62 county clerks offices. Which on the Virginia website states should be applied for 30 days prior to the wedding day.

The justice of the peace is elected by each county, and governed by the county. If the county clerk gave them a license and the Justice says he wont do it, then there is little difference between him and the preacher refusing to marry someone not of his church.

If he was the county clerk refusing, then it would be a much different story.

It is not News Worthy and the only reason it's there is to stir up race problems. And like RIJimmy, I am married to a woman of a different race than me. My 3 kids are bi-racial and have had a few issues that they have dealt with in the past. Many of you (JohnnyD and the like) seem ot have their head so far up their "High Horse's" Ass to see reality. Every time someone throws down the race card, IT IS NOT NEWS!!!

spence 10-17-2009 06:33 AM

It's absolutely newsworthy if only for the absurdity of it all. Doesn't mean I'd expect to see it on the front page of the WSJ, but a lot of people would be interested in hearing about it.

Quite possibly the guy broke the law as well.

-spence


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