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Is the President giving rights to the terroist that had masterminded 9/11 by having him and four others tried in an American court instead of a military tribrunal court of which they would gladly plead guilty too.

Will they try to make a mockery of the American judicial system which already is a laugh when trying Americans for crimes?

The words that they use when speaking in front of cameras may entice people of the muslim community to take up a Jihad such as the case of the Muslim Jihadist Terrorist, murderer of American military personal on our own soil under Obama's watch..

JD, you got me to use that word that you prefer to call him. You must have baited me to use that word. I will have to research past blogs to see how you managed to make me use that word. :wall:

It's funny. In listening to your "rile the Right" commentators (as I refuse to believe you came up with this topic on your own), did they mention how much of a giant cluster *uck the military tribunals were when Bush tried to order them? There are huge gaping jurisdictional issues and people tried in a tribunal have a better chance of not seeing a day in court, as opposed to if they are tried in a federal court. There are multiple lawsuits going on at the moment over the legality of trying people in Guantanamo by tribunal.

Did you do any investigation into this issue, or were you just listening to the radio on the way into work and was like "yeah, that Obama pisses me off and helping terrorists"?

You guys are really reaching.

JD, I do not drive into work. I would get a headache if I had to drive to work. You assume to much.

You still do not believe he is a terrorist? I do not try to rile feathers.

When I am in my vechicle I listen to WBZ they do not say to much they are a liberal news network and they do not want to rile the administratration.

No good can come of this. At the very least it should be done after the war. Their lawyers will ask for everything from water boarding to intell reports. This is beyond stupid. I wonder what other motives the Administration could have?

dude...you are Archie Bunker...lash out at anyone that "don't think like yous' "...from your bark-o-lounger...everyone is an "ignorameous" except for yous' .....:rotf2:

Feds move to seize 4 mosques, tower linked to Iran
Feds move to seize 4 mosques, tower linked to Iran - Yahoo! News

Yeah, the current administration has some secret agenda to shield Muslims from the rest of our society. Good thing they keep walking on eggshells as not to offend the Islamic community.

I'm sure this is at odds with what the Sec. of State had planned. This isn't going to help with the diplomacy route. However, that was never going to work anyways so score one for common sense:uhuh:

I had to search long and hard, about 6 seconds at least, using obscure tools like the Google, to determine that the cases will be tried under the Military Commissions process established under President Bush.

-spence

From what I understand is the trial is to be held in civilian court. Are you tring to say this is Bush's idea Spence? They never would step foot on American soil let alone NY, if Bush had his way. Nice try.

Nice try? How about you try the Google...

-spence

Not sure what your point is but the trials are being held in Fed. Court just blocks from Ground Zero.

Ahhh, it looks like the news story I was reading had mixed the cases...I can't find it anymore, go figure...

But it also looks like we've convicted nearly 200 terrorists in US Federal court, so what's the problem?

Do you believe in due process? Either these guys are terrorists or they are not.

Do you think it's ethical to hold them indefinately and probably submit them to some torture along the way, if we don't as a nation, who says we follow the rule of law, believe they don't stand the test of our own courts?

If so, what do you believe in?

-spence

Spence, I googled Flyrod and I haven't come up on any of the five pages, go figure.

Ya! Ya! Spence your getting like JB have to google to get your answers

I believe that our civil court system is the wrong way of doling out justice to terrorist. Can you imagine coming up with an untainted jury pool of peers in of all places NYC.
You are giving the "masterminds" of the worst attack on the US since Pearl Harbor the open forumn to tell the world why they did it. They don't deserve that and the police, firefighters and people who suffered from 9/11 don't deserve that.

Then what is justice?

Do we follow the rule of law or not?

There are serious implications here.

-spence

No, we use a military tribunal. That still follows the rule of law. Answer me this.....Why NY? Why now? Convince me. You voted for this guy knowing what he stood for. Closing Gitmo was a main campaign pledge. This is something he said he would do.
On second thought, nothing you say will convince me this is a good idea. Don't bother.

I'm taking a time out for cookies and milk.

Sorry!

Not according to the Supreme Court.

Think of it this way. GITMO was put in place by the "US Government" and from what I read the people detained there are not covered under any other jursidiction....

How could they not be covered under Federal laws?

-spence

I'm assuming JB, is suppose to be JD.

I don't google in order to get my answers. I google to show support for my response. There's a difference between reading some website then copy/pasting it over here and saying "hey look at this! I agree with this!", and making a point then supporting it.

Strange thing though, my posts tend to be fact based, as opposed to subjective ramblings.

You didn't imagine it....I read the same article earlier.

was 4 going to NY for trial and 4-6 (can't remember exactly) facing a Military tribunal.

I wonder if these terrorists were read their Miranda rights? and I wonder how much evidence collected during their illegal and unjust detention will be admissable in court? Not to worry though, with an Attorney General with a history of terrorist pardons and a President whose best friend back in Chicago was a terrorist, we practically have terrorist experts on the job overseeing this whole operation...should be quite a spectacle...are these guys REALLY even terrorists or did they just "CRACK" and assist in the commission mass murder? maybe they were on Ambien?...and how do we even really know what their motivation was?.....they might make great college professors....

Even you know that this is a ridiculous comment and these terrorists have no relation to the incident last week.

none?

Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. probably just coincidence

oh, I can see it now ..the Obama defense.....you can't say that just because he hangs out with other anti- American radicals and terrorists and goes to a church with a radical leader spewing hate ...that he might himself be radical, it just makes him open-minded....why, that guy preaching might actually have a valid point...

Well, if the brits say it is so, it must be. Bring out the pitchforks and torches.

Try Fox news from now on:biglaugh:

That's just a crapshoot between getting fabricated news or not.

I Tried...but after I watched it I felt the need for a Shower....scrubbed for an hour and just never felt clean

:rotf2: No worries Kevin. For the trial you can tune in to any of the big three...... Alkazeer, Sead. Alkaze, Hachidak :rotf2:

" We interupt this beheading to bring you the latest on the evil Bush's torture and mistreatment of our freedom fighters. Live from NY"

This won't be far from what happens. I'm sure the news org. that brought you the decapitation of Pearl will have a front row seat. How else do we show the world how good we really are.:yak5:

Effffin pathetic:fury:

I'm heading north to kill something. see you in a week.:buds:

According to that article he was at the mosque for the funeral of his mother, around the same time two 9/11 hijackers were thought to have been there.

This is a long stretch to say Hasan was out for coffee with them.

Quite possible the local imam, known to be a radical, helped to pollute his thinking.

-spence

Johnny, sorry about the B instead of D

I must have been intoxicated from the calcium in the milk. I'll only have a half glass the next time, it couldn't have been the cranberries in the cookies. :rotf2:

Buckman: Happy hunting.

I will be around Kingfield Me. starting Sunday.

mmmm... cookies and milk. But you've gotta replace those cranberries for chocolate chips.

yeah...I'm sure that if a couple of guys from my mom's church were involved with the slaughter of thousands of innocent Americans and a while later, I attempted to slaughter dozens of innocent Americans and was partially successful and it was discovered that I'd been contacting the known radical former leader of the church that my mom and the other guys had attended and had attended the church myself for any period of time...it would be a HUGE LONG stretch to try to draw any sort of link....yikes...we're in trouble BIG

like I said...probably just a coincidence

So you're asserting his mom was a terrorist also?

And everyone at the Mosque?

Do you trust any Muslim?

-spence

I don't have any problem with "any" muslims...just the ones prone to violence, like any other group that you'd like to create...as far as I'm concerned...Muslims come in many shapes colors and sizes so I'm not sure that I'd "recognize" a Muslim and be at that point capable of not trusting them based on appearance or for any other reason for that matter..If someone divulges to me that they are muslim, I don't think any differently of them that anyone else.... .I certainly have a healthy wariness about anyone who spent/spends time in a place of worship listening to and approving of by their continued presence the Anti- American hateful rantings of a radical lunatic....Why does everything lead back to Obama???

didn't say any of those things but that's a pretty high body count for that one Mosque.....

you seem really desperate to portray me as a racist or something similar...sorry to disappoint you but I'm just not...

you'd be fun in a fox hole Spence...the enemy charging and Spence standing and intellectualizing...."hold on guys, don't shoot yet...we don't have any evidence that they really want to harm us and we're not even sure if they are serious about pulling their triggers, they might just be bluffing.....after all we provoked them...not the other way around....let's try a little diplomacy" :rotf2:

You really have to be leary of someone changeing their name to something like Abdul, Mudula etc:

A niece of mine has a husband that did such a thing and I still can't pronounce the name. Well, I mentioned to my wife that we had better keep an eye on that fella, Boy! did she crack me upside the head. You think them football players get a concussion, my :eyes: are still rolling.

That certainly explains your recent posts :hihi:

-spence

:cheers: Spence!

Yeah. Next thing you know, Muhammad Ali is going to blow up a school.

don't know where all of that came from but my only point was that I'd never put all muslims in any all inclusive box and make a judgement such as "And everyone at the Mosque? Do you trust any Muslim?" or any other rediculous assertion that you'd like to make...

so desperate to level that charge that the leaps are astounding...

however...if a teacher named Muhammed Ali blows up a school tomorrow and had been for years openly espousing Anti-American and radical violent thoughts that the administration had apparently ignored, will your knee- jerk response continue to be that this is not terrorism, just mass murder by a guy that "cracked"?

I'd have to start wondering if some here were not terrorist sympathizers involved in a cover up? :uhuh: