Does it make you angry that the Striper industry...
 

Has created a commercial platform that gains from the continued sales of must have products, misinformation, flat out lies to keep its fishermen spending in their attempt achieve the successes of purported guides and mystic sharpie gurus?

Hmmm...20+ views, but no hits...:smokin:

There's a couple acting curious and eyeing the bait...

I dunno, Chris, ya might pick up a short or two....the rest are neutral to negative, I think...:rotflmao:

Chris, I think you can find that going on in about every industry, from must have George Foreman super grills to Teddy Bruschi life insurance. If so and so recommends it, it must work, right! Buyer beware so the saying goes.

Seriously, consider this.
There's what, a few hundred guys catching large consecutively every season, yet we're sold millions of lures, books, clothing, seminars, etc. Like lemings, bitches to the system, cuckolded by the industry machine that holds us down witholding the knowledge about how to catch while selling fishermen a bridge with the other hand.
REVOLT!!
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selling a bridge to no where

no different than any other industry. Look at musical instruments, tons of magazines, videos, books, gear all with the latest and greatest way to get better, and all it really takes is time, dedication and practice. Same things to be successful in any endeavor.

You think fishing is bad, you should visit my pro shop some time...

I hope NIB isn't offended by my post...:angel:

PLAID PANTS FOREVER!!!!!!

Doesn't bother me in the least.

I go to the shows and just about all of the speakers are at least entertaining. Some are funny as hell (Al and Zeno). There not twisting your arm to buy their book or product. Gives me something to do in the winter.

Gee, Krispy, almost sounds like you are about to launch a tackle company (again :rotf2: ).

It's tough, I get people all the time saying how the fisher population is doing a disservice to themselves because they have not taken advantage of the "Fisher Widget" and I'm standing in the way of progress because I don't allow them to advertise their "Fisher Widget".

Their are different pain thresholds for different people I suppose. And I also suppose people need to find their own threshold.

Oops, another user just registered that owns a tackle company...

Is it really, or are ygr brainwashed masses just perpetuating the myths we're sold. Its not time on the water, its your timing on the water!
We are told the elite are talented, but its merely tactical. Whose selling that info? No one.
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I'm saying F the tackle co., screw the publishers, burn the shops, and boycott the speakers!
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mess up their scent trail and watch them walk into each other...or perhaps find the guy blowing the flute an stuff it where it's dark an deep.

Like anything else in life, pick & choose what you want and disregard the rest. Also remember that you are in a far different part of your journey than you were 10 years ago.

It's (usually) a fun ride ;)

In the grand scheme, after we die - all will be forgotten and only good things will be said.
So we've got that going for us.
Human Nature is such that people typically only hold things against each other for the rest of their lives - death is the great redeemer.

what was it that PT Barnum said..... anyway.. none of it effects me.. I march to my own drummer...they can do as they wish.

Smoke and mirrors works until the sea breeze kicks in.. Then all that you see is yourself.
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but how would you know the "timing" on the water unless you spent time on the water to find that out? Its experience, you cant buy that and no one can sell it to you.

If they can catch fish, good for them. If you can't, don't blame them, blame yourself.

as a fisherman, you should know that just because the bait is presented, doesn't mean the fish HAS to bite... Be the one that got away...

:huh:

It doesn't make me angry. There is an old saying for people that will buy every new lure or fishing device:

Krispy,
IMHO, the industry targeting striped bass isn't even totally organized as a whole. If you wanna get get your brain fried, take a few turns in the tuna gear industry..... and bring your bank, all of it!

What I know is:

1. I should be a lot better than I am for time spent on the water - some guys with a lot less time are better than I am. I'm just a slow learner.
2. I don't spend anywhere enough time on the water
3. See item (1).

As far as tactics go, depends on what you goal is. Is your goal to catch lots and lots of monster fish? Then your tactic is not to spend every night chunking Queen Cocahoes at Conimicut Light. Is your goal to catch big fish on plugs you've made? Slay large on eels while wetsuitng from rocks? Catching bright little fish on plastics?

Your goal may not be the same goal as Joe Angler. You tactics will be different.

Do what makes you happy and where you will extract your enjoyment and disregard the rest.

Lots of people will say they have the Must Get Widget. Some will work, some will work for others, some are just blowing smoke.

Everything got old a long time ago. I used to get really upset about articles written by so called experts that were completely off the mark. I wanted to argue with them, prove them wrong. Got sick of all the BS, catch reports, marketing the wrong gear, know it alls, egos, posers, blah blah. It used to really get to me. Learned to filter it out and refocus on why I got into fishing to begin with.


Makes me go back to my roots, freshwater fishing with my uncle at a very young age. I had no idea media existed, no marketing of gear, no competition, no idea of what a "good" fish was. I used the lures we had and eventually favored the ones that were successful. I loved the adventure, the hunt, the mystery of catching and the pain of failing. The challenge was endless.

It wasnt long before the first bass pro shops catalogs got mixed in and it went downhill from there. Other magazines were subscribed too, and it got very confusing - I got sucked into all the BS, losing touch for only a little while though. The right mentors put it all back into perspective.

I still continue to try to do my own thing and have nothing to prove. I fish because its what I live for and enjoy. I live for studying patterns, piecing together the info, trying to adapt to constant change. You can't beat the feeling of being at the ends of the earth, swimming to a rock in total darkness and catching striped bass. Catch a giant bass, weigh it, release it and don't tell a soul.

Its interesting this one post could spark that much thought for me

Rizzo - it's nice to get down to basics. You're single right. no kids? Enjoy it while you can. On the other hand, there is not much out there better than taking your kid fishing :btu: - Wait until you do that.

fishing is overrated....

So . . . . . I own about 300 lures (probably more hidden throughout the house) that I bought to fish with.
I use probably a dozen as my go to lures. I'm sensing something. . . . .
It's like women and shoes.

I'm with you

Actually, civilization makes me angry. I mean think about it. Once upon a time you could spend 1/2 the day fishing or hunting anywhere you wanted, come home to a house with no maintenance concerns, screw whoever was handy, crap where you wanted, then kick back and take a nap until dinner, after which you could either go paint hand prints on cave walls with your hunting buddies or take your club and pick up a new date. So what if you had to put up with excessive body hair and speak Italian. Seems worth it to me. Probably I should move to Franklin.

George, you're a riot.
This consumer based fishery is based on stuff now, not fish. I started to eat, consume fish. Fishing put food on the table that would otherwise be bare. Now we fish to get stuff, Lamis, VSs, ZBs, whatever the sexy name is this season. It's one of the buttons that when pushed, makes humans dance. Like sex, gambling, shiny things... Hell, everyone knows that they'd catch more with worms, but they build and buy plugs anyway..I wanna be a caveman..

Uncle Al well said!! I'm still looking and will do so

Exactly Rizzo :uhuh:
And it takes half a lifetime to be a good striperman, not because of ALL the intense, indepth, super secret time on the water knowledge you have to gather together, its wading through the hip deep BS of info, experts and product sales that gets your head spinning till you dont know whats right anymore.
I bet all you really, I mean REALLY, needed to know to go out and catch large could be written on one side a sheet of paper.

Sounds like the book Iron Mike has been threatening to write the past few years.

It's 200 pages long. 199 are blank and on the last page there's a picture of an eel.

Nice :) Makes my book sound long winded.

Page 1
Topographic structure + underwater structure + current + darkness + black lure/eel of choice X 4-5 nights a month = sometimes big fish
The end.

PAGE 2
Grenade+net= catch. PERIOD. Too many "+'s " in your equation. K.I.S.S. (my right arse cheek....its the lucky one)

I love how many here are lost in yester-year and they dont even know what they have in front of them.....
- Give me pogies or give me eels
- Timing tide / wind
- Bite windows can last 15 minutes, .5hours, an hour, 1/4 tide, half tide, whole tide, multiple tides, slack tides, running tides
- The fish are always with or near the bait, those big bodies of fish, those that many dream of, are with sustainable bait supply
- Always go to the fish, the fish dont come to you.. Just because they were there last year, and the year before, doesnt mean they will be there now.
- Stay AWAY from the Crowds! All my biggest hits were done with not a soul in sight!
- Find your own grounds
- Pay attention to detail, the slightest things make a difference, the way you hook a bait, the weight, freshness, leader material, presentation....
- Stop chasing the reports and following others....Make your own reports - To yourself!
- Every day is a new day, learn something new...
- You cant buy experience on the bookshelves...Many want it easy - every day, they want the fish stacked. i got news for you, Gotta work for it...

This isnt yester-year, stop dreaming of then, this is now.... To many people are stuck in the past and dont change with the times, They Loose..........

John, I hear ya on the kids... I got 2- a 4 year old and a 2 year old and 2 full time jobs, fish smarter and make it count.... Ill sleep when I die...

Now, we can all be like sandman and bitch about how there are no fish...

2 hours in July of 09, 30 fish Limit

MMMMM
interesting thread.When I was 10 I caught lots of fish.When I was 20 I caught more fish than most.When I was 30 I caught more bigger fish than most in more places.When I was 40 I caught more big fish on gear I made in more different places I'd learned. When i was 50 I started landing lots more big fish than most just not where most fished. Well I'm still fishing,learning,catching and releasing more fish than most just now i do it on stuff I make from copying all those experts that I met over the years an reading all those books written by all those blowin their own whistle.Aint no ones fault but mine when I loose a big one an no ones fault but your own for blamin something like fishing for people. Just go out an fish. Enjoy it and you'll catch more fish and fish your own game. You'll catch more fish.LOL I just did a mini seminar. Ron

life is all about choices . You can always choose not to do something, not to buy something, not to listen to someone's opinions. I haven't got time to worry about things like this. Life is too short. I do what I enjoy and how I enjoy doing it. I let others worry about the important stuff.

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But it angers me that those companies, especially the big ones based over seas like S. and D., don't do more to invest in the future of the resource.

Invest in what you profit from, HEALTHY FISHERIES! :wall: