Why isnt Obama listening?
 

Just curious, it seems the public has been consistent in its opposition to the Health Care Bill. No one has been able to express the benefits to the average person who currently has healthcare. It seems like a big welfare program.
Why is Obama moving forward when the American people are (from what the polls suggest) against it?

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heroin?

As a result of his progressive educationin Cambridge, MA he knows way better than we do what is good for us. :fury:

perhaps he knows something we dont.

Great timing: right in the middle of Obama explaining "HIS" (did anyone count the number of "my" used?) health care plan, the TV network launches the "EMERGENCY BROADCAST ALERT" system....coincidence?

He was sharp before he came to Cambridge

I wonder what happened to him since then?

O - "Everything there is to say about health care has been said, and just about everybody has said it," he said. "Now is the time to make a decision about how to finally reform health care so that it works, not just for the insurance companies, but for America's families and America's businesses."

I just dont get it. I respect people moving forward with their plans despite opposition, but there is such a huge gap in support. I dont even hear people who support it being that passionate about it, they just merely say we need to do something and this is a step. I think he just wants a victory under his belt, to say he passed something major. This is going to haunt him and the Dems.

BINGO!

It has to be arrogance. With those ears, he has to hear us.

every presidency has tried to tackle this problem and failed
because of it's complexity

so if he achieves it....it will indeed be a victory

is the bill ultimately flawed - you betcha
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just so i could send her crap to the spam zone.:spam:

[QUOTE=Raven;751970]every presidency has tried to tackle this problem and failed
because of it's complexity

so if he achieves it....it will indeed be a victory

is the bill ultimately flawed - you betcha
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but at what cost? The have nots seem to gain, the haves seem to lose. despite the Democrats best efforts, we still have more have than have nots in this country (sarcasm). Solving a problem is a good thing, isnt this just moving a problem to a new one?

I noticed that they take the sickest kids first at Hasbro, everybody else has to wait regardless of coverage or ability to pay. I know you were worried about waiting behind a freeloader.

How about behind a hypocritcal congressman's kid?

Hasbro does most things right. Great place

Obama's a true believer that government can enact positive change.....very similar to Bobby Kennedy. That's the scary part. Most politicians are purely opportunistic and predictable, this guy really believes.
He's willing to trade a second term for health care. But if it does pass he'll parade out a bunch of people at election time who will say he saved their lives and pull at the heartstrings of an easily manipulated electorate.

if you dont' agree with what he is doing you need to contact your legislators and tell them outright if they vote for this.. we will vote them out.. its a simple solution.. look what happened in mass.. people voted against a person (martha coakley ) who would have voted for it.. if this goes thru its going to bankrupt our country.. if he wants to lower the price of healthcare, first go after tort reform.. if you lower the payouts in malpractice cases you will lower the cost of malpractice insurance , which in turn will lower the rates doctors and hospitals will have to charge to cover their insurance premiums..

many people are tired of waiting in emergency rooms behind illegals who use the er as their doctors office.. thats not going to change unless they work on immigration reform.. or start enforcing the already existing immigration laws..
but thats another can of worms for another thread..

Clinton would float a public opinion poll and if it cost more votes than it garnered, he'd ditch it. He was the perfect example of an opportunist - not so with this guy.

I can't for the life of me deny anyone medical services as needed. ANYONE. Healthcare in this country as it is, is a travesty. Sure we have the most sophisticated technology in the world, but for a price and for only those who can afford it. We are inches away from having an Indian style class system. And those who don't have are the "untouchables". Health care has become a chain that keeps you in a job as well. Looking to better yourself (read this as keeping you in your "class") is made difficult by healthcare. Everyone deserves their good health and a means to maintain it. I'm just not selfish enough to let someone suffer and die for lack of healthcare.

Liberal Pussy :D

He hasn't heard the words, "Impeach Him." :hang:

OOPS! Wrong icon. "Oh well." :rotf2:

I had to take my mom to the hospital the other day for a procedure and on the way in and out of the entrance we had to literally step over dozens of bodies of all of the people who had apparently been denied healthcare and suffered and died......it was gross...and there were all of these rich people with IV's and casts and stitches pointing and laughing....

I'm going to call Patrick Kennedy, Sheldon Whitehouse, Jim Langevin and Jack Reed and tell them that the need to oppose this healthcare plan.........never mind...

Neutron care is what we have now for the uninsured. It leaves the patient standing, but destroys all his assets. They'll treat you now, and sic a collection agency on you later.

There ya go Joe. And if you have no assets, then what? You're at the mercy of whatever the PRESENT government will afford you. Suppose it's a stingy government? You're schrod in Boston..

you don't know what you are talking about....

Joe - what happened to a government for the people, by the people?
If the people are against it and the president is for it, shouldnt the people win? What you state as opportunistic is a control built into the system, it SHOULD benefit a politician when they go with the will of the people, no?

ahh, the liberal heart, a beautiful thing. Im not selfish enough to have my kids without a good education, so I work my arse off to save for it, Im not selfsih enough to have my kids without healthcare, so I work my arse off for it. Every night as I sit reading with my kids while a bunch of jack offs are out drinking beers at the bar and their kids are playing nintendo, the kids grow up to be bozos like their parents and Im supposed to pay for it? Working my arse off helps the country, drives growth, drives consumer spending, drives tax revenue, drives debt reducuton, etc. All good things. Government hand outs only drive the need for more government hand outs. WElfare is a failure.
Lets reform the HC system, this bill expands the system. How is that a good thing?

Hillary;s approach back in Bills first term was better,
I am hopin we don't get this passed in semblance of what either bill is today.

We need reform but lets really think what is needed not what they think is needed.

Found on msnbc.com, says it all....

Jim: You asked for opinions and I gave you mine. It's o.k. to discount what I think - a lot of people have - but I believe my points were valid.

That debate ended with a consensus that we needed health care reform, but not the type she proposed. That was about 17 years ago.

He's not listening because he's to busy playing Chicago Politics....
Obama Now Selling Judgeships for Health Care Votes? | The Weekly Standard

Perhaps I'm misreading you, Joe. On the one hand you seem to admire Obama because he is not the typical opportunist politician, on the other hand you seem to think he is scary because he actually believes in what he is doing. This doesn't clarify, for me, what you actually opine on the the health care bill. In another thread you pointed out that our economy is unsustainable. This health care bill is, to me, piling even more unsustainability on top of what is already unsustainable. The Keynesian economic model has evolved us into this situation, and Obama's policies are, to me, Keynes on steroids. I realize that many think that the free market is broken, that it doesn't work. I think that is a misconception of what a free market does. A free market does not provide "free" services. It provides the opportunity for individuals to provide for themselves, of themselves, by themselves. It guarantees nothing. Failure is inherent in freedom. The free market provides the opportunity to pursue life liberty and happiness. It does not guarantee those things. To say that the free market has failed because health care is not guaranteed to everybody is actually saying that you prefer something other than a free market, not that it has failed. If you prefer the mixed, Keynesian model, is that because it "works?" Again, it has evolved us into the present unsustainability. Is there some magical mixed economy that balances the government intrusion into the hard hearted market so that life, liberty, and happiness are guaranteed? Has that ever occurred? Have we passed that magical point, and are Obama's policies trying to steer us back to it?

I'd like to go around and around with you but I have to make shirts for Mass Bass or I'm going to on the dole too.

If I show up shirtless and without any money, can I just have a shirt for free?

Yes, it's called America. We have a system that works in 20 and 50 year cycles that move the flow of money up or down to bring stability (i.e. growth) over the long haul.

-spence

Can you make up two with impeach obama on it? Fishbones and I will be going together and Im sure we'll buy them. Dont worry, I dont talk politics in person, Im just an internet tough guy.

and if you had Michelle whispering in your ear................:jump1:

So then, hope and change are not needed.

Most people don't apply macro thinking to their own lives. During the smaller cycles I'd think that hope and change could be beneficial to the individual, even if they are insignificant in the big picture.

-spence