NO MORE FISHING
 

Task force ends public input - ESPN

I didn't vote for him.

f'in great

If I had a Crystal ball and could see into the future, and saw with certainty that having a closed fishery of all kinds for say 5 years would make the fishing absolutely %$%$%$%$ing amazing, Id hand in all my gear. The problem that I have is that what is happening is all smoke in mirrors... the ocean is about to be taken over by corporate fishing vessels owned by larger corporations. The first step in this plan is to tell everyone that fishing has to stop... the 2nd step is to watch all of the small family owned boats fold and the 3rd is to divide the fish amongst those who are left. I believe we are on step 3 right now. Sector based fisheries managment has set the stage for this. Watch.

Eben - you are exactly right.

Now think about that the next time there is an article or legislation propsed to shut down small scale commercial fishing (Stripers, Tuna, etc) -

- when you so eloquently voice your support for such initiatives, you are part of the master plan.

Agreed, and add to that the interests of the big oil companies and wind farm owners and you can see why they want all of us, e.g. small scale commercials and recreationals off the water. Only thing we can do to atop it is to get Congress involved. Write you congressman and senators now!

You did not understand what I am saying- What I mean is that if this legislation was just about the fish, I would not have a problem with it... but its not. And I have a big problem with that.

In regards to small scale fishing like stripers, I dont see any large scale commercial interest in it.... with the exception of farming them.

I understood exactly what you meant -- and the fact is that people that get behind these pieces of legislation, and very vocal about them in the name of conservation, are just being set up for dissappointment.

Large Scale Bass Fishing -- how about dividing that 1 million lbs of Mass Quota among 5 mid-water trawlers? They could easily do that under the guise of "less but better paying jobs" (quoting our new NOAA director here) - and also the claim that fewer boats are more effective to manage in regards to hard quotas and reduction in the black market.

It's not about the fish with these people.

Your completely right. :uhuh:

You voted these guys in...YOU wanted "Hope and change" Well, this is what you wanted right? :confused: Didn't expect this did you?


YOU have to vote them OUT. Do your duty every November.

:fury:

Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

Eddy the same thing crossed my mind...

I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

While I agree the influence of corporate fishing is a long-term threat, I don't see anything here that indicates recreational fishing is going to be restricted in a substantial way. There is the anecdote of bear hunting...but while there's a thin parallel...fish and bear aren't exactly the same thing.

-spence

Really makes you think, doesn't it...

Do you think that WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and the others are a short or long-term threat?

did you happen to catch the news clip of the Greenpeace boat that looked like the Batmoblie chasing a whaling ship a little while back and the whaling ship just ran the Batmobile over?...I don't want to see them harpooning whales but i did laugh my @## off at that.....the Greenpeace Batmobile boat was a "short term threat" :rotf2::rotf2:

They haven't come to collect anyone's guns yet, and they have had to be licensed for years.

There are pros and cons with activism, and various levels at that. You simply can't lump it all together...

-spence

I'm not lumping them together. The article that you're commenting on did. So, will you answer my question?

I did answer your question, by stating that the threat of activist groups as positioned by yourself was lacking in context to be of much importance.

The article you're commenting on is trying to string you along by sequencing elements in the hope that you'll make the connections by yourself.

A) The Obama Admin closed the window for public comment

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B) Radical activists will protect animals just because they're cute

must =

C) Obama wants to screw fisherman because that's what liberals do

The author seems to want you to believe that the Administration is out to exact some dubious revenge on the sportsperson, callously striking their input for the record so they can close the doors and work with tree spiking radicals to shut down an entire industry....just like they did in ONTARIO.

This doesn't appear to be true.

-spence

Yeah, well they can take my fishing tackle when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands...:ninja:

On a serious note - and at the risk of making a political statement in the wrong forum - we live in a plutocracy (rule by the wealthy) and serving corporate interests to accelerate that transfer of wealth is a large part of the system. That's what all three branches of government are paid to do (in one way or another) by lobbyists.

I voted for Obama and regret it, but it's not like we actually had a choice

The two parties are basically the same creature with two heads. The point is the same, the only difference is the delivery

Expect the largest contributors to their re-election funds to be the voices heard most clearly, regardless

Actually, I wasn't trying to position anything. I asked you a question because you commented on corporate fishing, but not the activist groups. I was just curious as to what you thought about the activist groups mentioned in the article. Nothing more, nothing less. But as usual, you tried to use the old end around and not just give a simple answer. Do you ever get tired of thinking up different ways to come off as a blowhard?:rolleyes:

for people who bitch a lot about poor fishing, fishermen sure do fight conservation efforts pretty hard. I'm wondering if there could ever be a conservation effort that a majority of fishermen would support?

Nothing more, nothing less? You asserted they were a threat.

-spence

No, you're wrong. Sometimes I just ask you questions to see what you think. I may not put much stock in your opinions, but I like to hear what you have to say sometimes.:grins: Anyways, I never asserted anything. Not sure where you got that from.

limit rec anglers to one bass over 28", I dont think you'd get too many complaints to that.

1 over 36 would be better. :love:

I went on the task force's website to read some of the 1,844 comments put in before the comment period ended. Many are from marine biologists, some are save the whales people, some are to protect their stretch of beach, and some are from fisherman. Most of the comments I read were more geared towards stopping pollution in the oceans. Didn't read any from PETA maniacs talking about sea kittens- but I did not read all 1,844.

But then a fisherman from Alabama submitted this comment:

I believe that this is going to be the worst IDEA anyone ever came up with. They think health care protests are bad. They have no idea what this is going to do to the United States of America (remember when this land was called that). Where people were free. Next thing you know you will have to get a bill through congress just to wipe your ASS. Oh- I am sorry, I shouldn't use ASS. Never mind it is in the Constitution under the First Amendment. Remember them? Probably not. Before you decide to change something READ them.

This has nothing to do with "conservation" this has to do with your ability to fish, for any species.

I guess you don't live in NYC where they did Exactly that required "assault weapons" to be registered and then the banned them and had a list of everyone who owned one.

NO! The objective of the task force is to come up with recommendations for "spatial planning" for the inland waters and oceans of the United States. The concern is that their initial draft totally ignored fishing in their proposed plan, hence the assumption that they were ignoring fishermen.

When Apolitical groups like the American Sportfishing Assoc. start sounding the alarms you know there is probably some reason for their concerns.

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.....PERIOD......

At least GW (you remember that moron) liked to fish......

so if every recreational striper fisherman
suddenly became 100% catch and release
this year..And not a bad idea considering the Pcb's

Wouldn't that totally deflate their position
speaking hypothetically of course?

Then we'd just be called fish abusers i guess. :doh:

also "what Crafty said"

this is not our fathers usa...anymore. they can eff with us in any whichway (they do), but if they eff with our fishing there will be hell to pay - i promise :fence:.

And in this case, the question assumed the activist groups were a threat.

By objective I mean operationally, not as a deliverable. I could have chosen a more appropriate word.

Is there a proposed plan?

-spence

I'll feel sorry for the poor dope who tries to take my gear. It'll be "Game On" and he'll be the kick-off.

Let me add this: All of the Earth's resources are being gathered up by a relatively small group of investers. Just look around. Oil, Energy, Farmland (read food here folks). Everything. We're being corralled for the financial kill.

It's not about fish Raven, it's about control and money. We're slowly being moved toward a kind of slavery. Control the food, control the jobs, control the housing, control the people. It's rather insidious.

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Oh i totally agree Fred....and this is why i have MAJORED
if you will...in both self sufficiency and home food production
ever since i read my first issue of Mother Earth in 1970!
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I mean there's a way to raise Talapia underneath the growing beds and have the roots dangling there in a semi hydroponic fashion where the fish are shaded and cool where their waste
products actually fertilise the plants above.
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I plan on retiring to a part of the country where Farming is the life blood and it won't be turned into a megatropolis any time soon.

Don, I have to agree...and i was thinking today... that rather than passively wait for it to be bamboozled upon us we should rize up and get mad dog mean with our representatives.

Basically saying: we are watching exactly how you respond and act when it comes to protecting what we consider to be our Birthrite to fish and we will vote ANYONE out of office that votes against the fisherman in any way, shape, or form.

an idea just popped into my head just now.... :grins:
i always liked the guy who glued a letter to a brick
and then mailed it.

using that strategy.....why could we not send them air.
it's perfectly legal thus far to mail them an empty BOX
with a letter inside suspended by old fishing line.

the post office will even supply them free.

recycle the damned styrafoam peanuts right back to Washington by the billions. Too Bad we don't have a special kind in the shape of those nasty little fish crackers. :yak5:

and No i have not been :smokin:

Hi all, I talked with a freind in California who is a very reputed custom rod builder and surcaster out there. They have been fighting this battle for a bit but it's been call Marine Protection Zones and so on. It started with the gallapogos Islands and has spread to over 20 different areas. Some larger than new England in size. The antis are our problem not our own issues about Striper sizes and catch limits.These people want all of us to just go away even to the extent of making owning or possessing impliments used for fishing or hunting.I've gone to some of their meetings to the point of joining one of them to get on their mailing list. These groups are very dangerous and don't underestimate them .Many of them are run by the same rich types that don't have to work and chase one cause after another for fun at our exspence so they can control what is done by others.
Yrs ago I was open minded about their actions but when the sierra club went after hikers because their colorful clothing was an affront to nature and should be outlawed-colorfull clothes make it easier to find lost people in the woods-to include groups like the Boy Scouts kinda showed me these people don't live nor think in the real world. Ron

I heard, through a friend of a friend, that the Department of Justice has subpoenaed the lists of subscribers to most saltwater fishing magazines.

In addition, a guy I know tells me that the CIA has been at the Narrow River and most RI breech ways affixing transponders to trucks with rod racks.

But.

You didn't hear that from me.

-spence