New Tactical Anglers...Plastic Smart Lures
 

Some good design work appears to be used in these plastic lures... time will tell if they live up to Alberto's HYPE!

They have introduced a large darter, a pencil, and a popper. I have yet to see them in person but the pics make them look sexy.


They all have a rattle inside..

The recessed gill plates look very cool... I may try to make clones in wood with internal rattles....

Similiar to SuperStrikes plastic lures

Long Island Outdoor Communicators Network: Member Update: Alberto Knie



There are pictures of the 3 designs in this link

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Larry... my point was the unique features of these plastic lures that Knie is promoting... many of these ideas can easily be made in wood with rattle components bought from the FW lure component suppliers

I have made several wood Smack-its with noise makers inside a chamber in my lures and they are great

As a site sponsor I object to the content. This was obviously a link taken directly from the Tactical website and the second link is all over Facebook this am posted by Alberto himself. This is not a slight on Alberto and his business........just the way this was presented is wrong and you made no comment about your intent when posting them....simply the link and content. The fact that the first post carries contact information and phone numbers and such make it SPAM. Thats all.

Thanks Larry.... I cleaned up the 1st post and added a couple of comments-


Great feedback... what was i thinking....



Chris

yup sounds like an ad to me...just sayin'. support your sb.com sponsors.

Thanks Chris. For the record I have no problem AT ALL about people talking about other lures or products....Tactical Angler products in particular I have heard wonderful things and they look cool! No doubt a guy like Alberto knows his stuff and is putting out a great product so never a problem discussing any products.....thats how we all learn and become informed. Just the way you presented it flies in the face of sponsorship rights here. :)

Thanks for the backup Don!:uhuh:

Guys, we are supposed to have some open discussion, not spam. If Alberto comes out with something, people are going to discuss it. If Joe Smith comes out with something, it probably doesn't - or at least as quickly. I don't see this as spam.

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Having used and tried a few of these plugs I'll give you some feedback.

DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE

The darter is big and runs real deep, twice as much in my findings as a super strike. I didn't care for action either.

The popper that's supposed to be the loudest thing out there, not really. I've used wood plugs that throw more water.

Haven't used the pencil.

The finish on the plugs I bought at one of sb sponsors stores were sub par. Inconsistent paint, drips in the finish and not that durable.

I think the products have potential and places to fish them, IMO I think they were rushed out to fill orders.

I love his clips and have switched over to them exclusively.

The plugs also don't come with hooks.

I do like the gill designs and rattles. I don't think the gills do much more than catch fisherman.

I can't wait to see his 650 dollar custom lami in person. That should be interesting.

I'll stick with super strikes and nb if I want plastic plugs.
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I wonder about the line tie on the darter?

Doesn't the guy get most of his big fish on bait?

Pretty hard to design great plugs if you are not commited to fishing them and learning from it......although I suppose you can get lucky.

They should stick to speed clips........

i want to be clear I have seen the alberto plugs at SWE in Newport but have not tried them. they look but ugly It will take a ton of people getting a ton of fish before I buy one or two. If I buy a plug that does not catch at least I can hang it up in the man cave (my sub artic garage) and admire it as art work. Just my opinion
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I have used the clips, but not while trolling my favorite plugs. Does anyone have experience using these new clips while pulling lumber? If I lost one of my favs because of these clips, I would be very upset and seeking vengeance. I have always tied the plugs on, so as to eliminate hardware.

I switched to these clips this year and I like them more than the fast links or breakaways.

Heavy duty and they don't get loose after a full day of plugging like the other ones.

I caught numerous 20 pound fish on the same clip at the ditch with heavy current I trust my plugs and fish on them.
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Not quite true. In fact, If I remember correctly of the 9 50's he has from the beach 5 of them where on plugs. His biggest and most recent did happen to be on bait, but that doesn't mean he does not fish plugs.

Oh, I know he fishes plugs, yet the majority of the articles I have seen by him focus on bait. I seriously doubt Mr Knie, regardless of how many 50's he advertises, knows anything about designing and building plugs. Much, much more likely he is just lending his name to someone else's work (and quite likely someone from the orient who has never seen a striped bass). Money, not a love of plugs, is likely his motivation. Regardless, I have not seen or tried "his" stuff so I'm in no position to pass judgement.........and welcome to the site.

I have seen the plugs and personally would spend my money buying something else that is proven like some of the plugs that have been producing fish for years and that I already have confidence in.

I am sure they may have there place but for now I cant say it would be in my bag.

I still kinda think this is spamish.... why not just a one liner saying something about the plugs instead of the full add....JMHO


.... thanks for the edit....

I really don't think it is spammish. Not this time.

It is hard, but I want honest discussion on stuff, sponsor or not. What I don't want is for someone self promoting. I did not see the very first post but I really don't think BT is shilling for Alberto (someone I happen to like). BT is a regular member here, not someone who signed up trolling for Boogers (hehehehe - the beer is helping :rotf2: ) so I don't think this is spamming or promotion.

When I saw the first post it was like a copy paste of the ad. BT edited it up quick like it was an honest mistake...

HEY I CAN HEAR THAT :wave:

Like any new fishing products they need time to prove themselves and be properly reviewed. Alberto clearly has a nack for promotion and advertising and I think most of us see that. Too early to pass any judgement.

Only Time will tell if the plugs are any good. Many people on Long Island with Big Names have come out with plugs but they didn't work so they went bye bye. Alberto's plugs are plastic so it will be relatively easy to tell since production is not an issue.

I wish him well, but darter wise in plastic its super strike and northbar bottle darter for me. Anything else is not being considered. wooden we have a different story.

everyone have a Merry Christmas

I agree with the class of the ss and the northbat but it would be nice to have a deep running plastic darter too.
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It does run deep it has it's place.
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Bait ..for sure
Rubber shads as well ...:uhuh:

Lotsa hype about lots of stuff everywhere ... Got to put 'em to the test yourself [or someone trusted to be objective ]

I 've stopped chasing the lastest /greatest ...give everything the test of time

Bought the Popper and Pencil when they came out...

I love the Clips....

I've not seen the smallest size clips, but the medium and large strike me as being very bulky........something I try to avoid in front of swimming plugs. .

Perhaps, but the better I've gotten with darters the more I appreciate darters that run shallow................which is something Stan Gibbs seems to have figured out decades ago, but the rest of us have been too foolish to see.

I am certain that Stan Gibbs was a better plug fisherman than Mr Knie (many times better, I'd bet), and unquestionably he was also a better plug designer. The three Tactical angler plugs shown look like coarse copies of Gibb's darter, pencil popper, and polaris. Since the originals were perfected by a better fisherman and better plug builder I strongly suspect the original versions are better plugs for most situations. Time will tell. Just trying to keep things in perspective.

Happy Holidays numbskull,
I used the medium sized ones last year. I used to tie direct all the time but had too many self induced knot failures from tying under less than ideal conditions. They are easy to use and also remain debris free for the most part.

The small one is what I'd use most of the time. I figure if I have a 50lb leader with a knot testing somewhat below that, and a still weaker mainline, something else will fail before the clip. So far that has held true. I use the small breakaways (and have had only one plug/fish twist itself off). I don't like, however, how the knot will often get off center with the breakaways and screw up the direction of pull on the plug's nose loop. I wish someone made a clip with a pinched upper section and rounded lower section.

It's not so much the clip strength that drives me to using the mediums. I wear gloves the vast majority of the time when fishing and the medium sized ones are easier for me to handle. If I was using smaller plugs or jigs, (~1oz.) I'd tie direct or use a Duolock.

Chris,

Looking at the darter I would be suprised if it ran deep given the depth of the plane it looks like to would not catch much water. I figured it would go down 2 to 3 feet and nothing more than that.

Time will tell, I wish anyone in the lure industry luck and hopefully his products produce.

I think no one has a chance in that comparison except maybe Pichney but who knows for Sure. Stan created everything and I have seen some templates of his from stage 1 progressing to final production pieces. We are all not worthy, well maybe some of us are but certainly not me.