New Striper hook rules in Maine
 

Hi all,It will be illegal in Maine to use treble hooks when using live or dead bait when striper fishing in Maine.
It will be mandatory in Maine when fishing for Stripers that you use circle hooks when using live or dead bait.However this will not go into affect till Jan 1-2013 due to the fact that tackle shops have already invested in and inventory of J -hooks.
It will be prohibited to use more than 2 sets of treble hooks-barbless or barbed-on an artificial lure when fishing for stripers.
Maine is again taking the lead for less destructive measure for fishing for striped bass to help reduce the number needless dead released fish. Ron

I can only think of one lure that actually benefits from having 3 sets of trebles so it seems like a good proposal.

Kudos to Maine! They got it right. :love:

Hell, 20 years ago most of us took the rear treble off all our lures and replaced it with a single Siwash.

Thanks god there are still sensible people in this world. As Nebe said "Kudos to Maine"

I suspect it will be two hooks/plug rather than two hooks and a siwash.

Lots of classic plugs balance better with 3 hooks, but certainly there are ways around it and well worth the benefits if coupled with a ban on more deadly hooks used in bait.

I'm curious what the eel guys think, however. Is an octopus a true circle hook? Might they be banned as well?

I used Circles with eels 8-9 years ago and didn't like the results so I switched back but saw I was gut hooking a lot of fish again. 3-4 years ago switched back to Circles and I'm satisfied with results.

Very, very satisifed with the very high amount of fish hooked in the corner of the lip, quick releases, significantly few gut hooked (can't think of any at the moment).

Just to be devils advocate....but is too many treble hooks really what's leading to the issues with the Striper Stocks.

This to me just seems to be them "Throwing a Frikkin Bone" to people. There are much bigger issues that need to be addressed way before me choosing a 2 hook darter vs a 3 hook darter.

"This to me just seems to be them "Throwing a Frikkin Bone" to people. There are much bigger issues that need to be addressed way before me choosing a 2 hook darter vs a 3 hook darter."

It's merely a feel good effort - with little significance or impact. When an issue is difficult to address, throw out some of those "Frikkin Bones" - makes it appear that the problem is being addressed.

Kudos to Maine.

I know the Cape Cod Charter Boat Association has petitioned Ma DEM to make circle hooks mandatory for live bait as well.

I can understand the bait fishing requirement (except for eel fishing) but I guess you can always alter a circle hook. They should have left the plug hook requirements alone IMO. Too many variables with plugs.

DZ

This is like putting a Band-Aid on a broken arm or a dam that is forming leaks and about to break.

A bunch of ineffective patchwork that just adds more red tape while never really fixing the larger issue. Mortality is a bigger problem, in need of a broader "solution" than hook choice and number of hooks.

Let's see. They have a slot limit and now this.. I'd say they are doing a he'll of a lot more in Maine than anywhere else.
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This targets the catch and release fisherman. Are they the real problem? This doesnt matter if you plan to kill the fish anyway. I dont know the Maine bag limit but if you reduced it to one fish it would have an exponentially larger impact.

And,

In a state w/ a slot limit, a move to reduce release mortality is a good step in the right direction.

I think the idea has been put before the RIMFC at least as a proposal before....

If I pick up boxes on one side of the room and move them to the other side, I'm doing a whole lot more than someone that is sitting in the corner. Doesn't mean I actually accomplished anything.

Regulating minute details of how we fish isn't going to fix the broader problem of high mortality.

Apparently you have to be a northern state to institute sensible and easy fishing regulations. Alaska has been well documented as one of the leaders in our country and now Maine is doing something to in order to kill less fish needlessly.

Do I think gut hooking occurs a lot, no, but there are a decent amount of sand spike using bait fisherman that are too busy drinking beer to notice that there has been a fish on the end of his line for a good 30 seconds. And, if his fish ends up not being legal to take home he is going to have to put back a dead or dying fish. Circle hooks will help in this situation. I tend to think this type of regulation would be suitable for all fishermen that like to use clams, chum and chunk bait, or use eels.

There are some reports, true or not, that Catch and Release fishing is accountable for a lot of striper mortality. I personally do not believe this statement or NOAA's crappy assertions, but perhaps this is what led Maine to do something. I applaud them for their efforts and even though I do not agree with C & R mortality figures we all know that it does happen and Maine just did something to prevent unnecessary harm to the fish that we all love to catch.

being forced to use circle hooks for chunk bait would piss me off...no problem with the rest...

Too small of a step to have any measurable effect. Although it they are pointed in the right direction.

At this point I think it is too late to save the bass. The death spiral has begun and there is nothing that can be done, short of a complete shutdown that can get you out of it. They simply should have outlawed all hooks of any kind.

I haven't used a "J" style hook for baitfishing for close to 10 years.
I don't know what the problem is regarding the use of circle hooks.
They are easy to use and catch just as many RELEASABLE fish as "J" hooks.
However the reverse cannot be said, that "J" hooks are gut-hooked as much as circle hooks.
When I used "J" hooks, being able to release a fish unharmed was uncertain because you never knew where the hook would end up in the fish. Circle hooks are almost ALWAYS found in the corners of the mouth when used properly.

Any steps we take, even "baby steps", to help reduce fish mortality and increase the fish numbers will be a good thing.

I don't know. I do not do as much chunking as I used to but to me, a big part of bait fishing is the act of setting the hook. With circle hooks you lose that important aspect of fishing. I can agree with circle hooks for those who sand-spike or dead-stick as this leaves too much time for a fish to inhale and swallow a bait. But for me, the real thrill is "feeling" that pick-up and waiting a few seconds before setting the hook. That involves skill and technique, circle hooks reduces it to "reel in and land" which takes the fun out of it- at least for me.

You got it Spin - it will be interesting fishing a "riggie" equipped with circles. I envision lots of "swing and miss" sets.

Thing that scares me most is the precedent this might set. By 2015 you might only be able to fly fish in Maine with a barbless hook no larger than size 2. Too much goverment for me.

PETA will be all over this and push for more.

DZ

Geez, JD. Could you be a little more negative? Maine is at least trying to do something. If this saves a few fish, it's worth it. It's a heck of a lot more than other states are doing concerning the SB stock. If you don't feel it's enough, you should start campaigning at the state house and writing letters in every second of your spare time. Or, you could just stop fishing for stripers (although that may have less of an effect than a bandaid on a decapitation:grins:).

I see this as a step in the right direction by some folks who at least are getting something done. Who knows? It may lead to more conservation measures down the line, or other states may follow suit. I definitely don't see it as a bad thing. And the more attention that's brought to the issue, the better.

Maine is just the first state... other states have been talking about circle hooks for years.. it's coming.. and I'm fine with that.... .... I only use J hooks for eel fishing... circles just dont cut it... at season end, you will have hooked far more eels than you do bass.. about 2:1... I've tried them several times over a period of years , and use them for everything else EXCEPT eels...and I gut hook very few bass, most are hooked in the roof or side of the mouth... I havent used a treble in a Mackerel for years, I came up with a sliding hook rig that I use with a pair of 8/0 circles that works awesome... I dont fish cut bait, so that is not an issue... as much as i like the keel effect of two belly hooks on my plugs, being a plug maker, I can adapt...whatever it takes for the health of the fishery is fine by me... now if we can only stop the waste that goes on on the wintering and spawning grounds.. we'd be onto something...

My issue is this micro-managed type of policy making. They regulate for the sake of regulating under the guise of "it should help". If they want to decrease mortality, there are far more effective ways that don't consist of an ineffective patchwork of over-regulating the average fisherman.

Fisheries managers up and down the coast seem to be penny-wise and dollar-foolish when it comes to creating policy. People keep saying "well at least they are doing something" and I think that mentality is dangerous. With this, they will have their foot in the door dictating how to fish. What's next - all treble hooks are made illegal, no more bait, restrictions on gear you can use?

Rome wasn't built in a day.

You have lots of gripes with what they're doing or not doing, but you don't seem to be putting in any effort on your part to improve things.

I wondered what you did all day!:rotf2:

I'm in Johnny's camp on this one...I just don't see what this really accomplishes. Like DZ said...too much government also

I'll make sure to keep you updated on the phone calls and emails I send out and which meets I've attended to voice my concerns.

I'll take stake in JohnnD's camp also. It's a law that's next to impossible to regulate and there will be no return on the investment to advertise/document/enforce this.

1 @ 36" it's an attainable goal for fishermen, but sure ain't no gimme.

I've fished Maine for Stripers for the past 20 or so years. Unless they've changed it from last year you can keep 1 striper a day between 20 and 26 inches OR 1 "trophy" over 40 inches. This works well with me. I keep 2 or 3 fish all season in the 26" size and the fillets off one fish are perfect for feeding 3 or 4 people.
As far as the circle hook fishing goes...I get it, but I much prefer setting the hook. Out of every 20 fish I hook with a j hook I probably do gut hook one or two. If it helps, I'm for it, but I'll miss the set.

Joebass,

For a long time I've been a slot size proponent, but there is an overwhelming amount of chatter that the schoolies are dwindling in their normal haunts.

Let's make it a real challenge and go for 1 @ 40" from Maine to Virgina (and south if they go to Carolina's ) :fishin: :fishin:

[QUOTE=JohnnyD;848154]My issue is this micro-managed type of policy making. They regulate for the sake of regulating under the guise of "it should help". If they want to decrease mortality, there are far more effective ways that don't consist of an ineffective patchwork of over-regulating the average fisherman.

What are these "far more effective ways"?

Will rigged eels even work with circle hooks?
Will I get in trouble if I go to Maine with a rigged eel with J-hooks?
I'd rather fish a little closer anyways.

1 @ 36"
5 year suspension of your comm or rec license for poaching

I'd love to see 1 @36 coastwide. I'd also like to see the baitfish situation fixed.

As for a 5 year suspension, do you really believe that would have an impact? Probably less than changing hooks in Maine. If someone will poach, they probably won't give much thought to continuing to do it without a license. And you know that enforcing it would be near impossible.

I don't think it'd matter for recs, just allow EPs to give out fines for fishing without a license. For comms though, they'll be risking their livelihood by poaching. Either that or hit them where it really hurts - big fine for the first offense and you lose your boat/gear on the second offense.

With the way things are now, the poachers merely get a slap on the write and consider these small fines a cost of doing business.

LOL WOW. I'm impressed by the number of anglers that will go against any positive action to protect even a single striper. I've got an idea let's just kill every one of them and then sit around blaming everyone else for it.1 fish a day. A 40 incher if your lucky but oooopppps we don't get them hardly anymore in Maine since the commercial rod n reel fishing started and there being a charter boat on every square foot of water south of us. Most chunkers and commercials use trebles MMMMMM wonder why they don't want to stop using trebles bait fishing.
Yes it's a very small step by a state that see's less than 1/10 of a percent of the striper landings as most other states south of us but at least we're willing to take a step towards protecting the STRIPERS.Oh that's right we already are at 1 fish a day with spawning areas closed to fishing during the spawning season and a slot limit that's reasonable. OOOOOPPPPPSSSS reasonable isn't in our language anymore just bitch an moan and do nothing to fix the problem.
I applaud what my state has done as it is an effort to try to set a trend. I'm ashamed at those who just want to complain and do nothing. Obviously many of the complainers were'nt fishing for stripers in the 70's and 80's. Ron

:claps::claps:

I came of age in a fishing family, fishing in the late 80's and vividly remember how rare decent bass fishing was back then. Bluefish out the wazoo. bass were celebrated and gossiped about....

Talking to the older crowd, including my former surf partner. the fishery now sounds eerily like the early 1980's.


Small step, yes, but a step.

and yes, 1@36".
that was someone's signature for a while, if I recall :smash:

God I wish you weren't so damn right about that RIRockhound.When will the greedy smarten up. This attitude of it's alright if someone else has to take a cut back or make a sacrafise is ok as long as it's not me then it's no way not me only the other guy has to stop. It's what brought on the morratorium in the ist place. Too many selfish and greedy anglers. Ron