O'bama is the GRINCH that stole Christmas!
 

Obama Couldn't Wait: His New Christmas Tree Tax

WHAT'S NEXT? A TAX ON THE #^&#^&#^&#^&ING PRESENTS WRAPPED UNDER THE #^&#^&#^&#^&ING TREE?

When is this #^&#^&#^&#^& going to STOP!

"The Federal government mandates that the Christmas tree sellers pay the 15-cents per tree, whether they want to or not. "

SOUNDS AN AWEFUL LOT like the sportfishing excise tax......bet this is going to be a new form 721 now...watch.

This is plain BULL #^&#^&#^&#^&

AT some Point
 

we just have to stand firm

and SAY - NOPE! - screw you


not gonna pay it....

everytime they send out a bill

send it in one penny short or two...

Hahahahahaha! You THINK!

They will send you a penalty of $60 minimum plus interest min charge

Your killing me. This I know first hand. .21 cost me $66 plus the cost of sending a certified letter muther;$$;$$(-(/)$$(&&$€}%{%[}]#%%}^^#*^]%#]
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"We (the United States) tax everything that moves and doesn’t move" Hillary Clinton

Your hatred for Obama is turning off people that might otherwise be sympathetic.

Dude. Take your foot off the gas.

ahhh JohnR
 

although i would agree with your assessment of the Bugger mans hatred of obama man

when's the last time ANYONE said to you....

Man .....our president is just awesome.....?

ok SALTY send them one penny too much then

after you take a penny @ a food store extra penny dish :)

I don't invent the news I just posted it. Had the guy come up with a federal subsidy that made all trees free I'd post that too John.

If someone doesn't like my opinion they always got ignore but I call it like I see it and I'm generally right :)

Like a ridiculous tax on Xmas
trees to promote xmas trees.
Did you ever go buy a Xmas tree because you saw a ad or commercial? I doubt it. More ridiculous spending.

And will raise the price of trees by at least $5 each you watch. Now farmers will have to spend additional time making sure their tax is accounted for-costs money.

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How's this tax affect Non-Profits?

I'm guessing they'll do this on the form 720 and make it an A or a 721, they'll make it at the manufacturer/shipper level which would mean everyone pays it.
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It says in the article that it is on the sellers if you sell more than 500 trees

:rollem::rollem::crying:

right, $0.15/tree will cause a 5.00 uptick.
Like 5 or 6 years ago, when fuel surcharges were added... the price of trees we bought since then never came down when fuel was cheaper.

Bryan if you think it won't then WATCH. When farmer joe has to hire someone to do this for him or pay his CPA more to do it then you'll see. Wait til the audits start. If one I isn't dotted or t crossed they penalize you.. that all comes out of what they sell. And yea add the ridiculous cost of diesel too UGH
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You really think farmer Joe is going to hire a CPA to tell him he's gotta pay $15 for every 100 trees he sells.........

Yes I do because it's much more involved than that.
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Do you think Farmer Joe already DOESN"T Pay a CPA?

Scott.
those are straws in your hands... step away from the computer and go back to speed turning stubby needles :smash:

Tree farmers over 500 trees fall under the same category as milk producer, corn producers, pork producers, beef producers, etc. Why isn't anyone yelling about the cost of advertising paid for the other white meat or beef, it's what's for dinner? It is a bit annoying, but it is producers paying for their own advertising. I get the -whether they want to or not aspect, but it is the same for all those other ag groups that already do it.

Its the Six Degrees of Barack Obama.....

If you get a parking ticket in southie....since its a goverment form.....the fault traces back to Obama within six steps.

No sorry your wrong. It's been proven previously parking tickets were Bush's fault

:love:

The law that started this was enacted around 1995 or 1996.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/aib729/aib729f.pdf



Title V authorizes the Secretary to establish an orderly
process for developing, financing, and carrying out a
program of generic promotion, research, and information
for commodities. Under this new program, interested
parties can petition USDA to establish an industry-
financed promotion program for a commodity
without first obtaining specific authorization from
Congress, as previously required. This title also
requires an independent evaluation of each generic
agricultural promotion program’s effectiveness, including
existing programs, not less than every 5 years.
Title V also provides specific authorization for three
new commodity promotion programs (popcorn, canola
and rapeseed, and kiwifruit).

WELL then Bryan he's paying SAID CPA even more then isn't he?

MY CPA don't work for free. So now he's paying extra......like I said the money got to to come from SOMEWHERE. So I'm supposed to erode my bottom line now paying a tax, and paying someone to file said tax and keep proper records, all the while not raise my price to keep up with my costs?

(Wait that sounds JUST like the fishing lure business)




How many of you guys here
#1 have a CPA,
#2 Work for Yourself (and have to balance your income versus what you sell your product for), and
#3 pay a tax like this.


Step up and tell us what you do. If you tell me it's not figured into the cost of your product then you should close your business right now. Your doomed to failure.

ONCE AGAIN. flIp fLoP fLiP fLOp :smash:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...tmas-tree-fee/

"“The economy is barely growing and nine percent of the American people have no jobs. Is a new tax on Christmas trees the best President Obama can do? And, by the way, the American Christmas tree has a great image that doesn’t need any help from the government.”"

GEE there's that ECHO again.

"The National Christmas Tree Association says the fee would fund a program “designed to benefit the industry and will be funded by the growers” and is “not expected to have any impact on the final price consumers pay for their Christmas tree.” "

I will continue to dispute this. The NCTA is most likely a paid organization. The only way they increase profits is to charge more. They like many organizations have membership based on a company's gross income. You advertise more you sell more. NCTA makes more money.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...tmas-tree-fee/

Moot point here.

OK.
So they put a tax on all needlefish plugs @ $0.15.
You already pay your CPA as you point out.
Costs are going up that dramatically that you said it would put an increase of $5.00/(plug)? In your scenario, the cost would be put onto the consumer 25x?

More than likely, you would give your CPA the # of needlefish (trees) sold, he would multiply it x $0.15 and put the amount on the propper form.... If you need to put the cost on the consumer 10X or 25X, then you need a cheaper CPA!

all of this is caveated as I don't give a crap about the intial $0.15/tree. I'm pointing out the huge flaw in your argument... WTF I have a fake tree anyways!

Bryan I said $5 off the cuff as a rough estimate of what the trickle down would be on it. The fact is that it would increase the cost and significantly. Whether it's $2 or $5 it's going to cost more.

I don't have a tree. I have a toilet brush on a stand.

Why the uproar now? Scott, you eat beef; chicken; pork; corn products; dairy; or wear cotton, the fabric of our lives? Why are you so irrate about this? You live another 50 years, this tax, if passed on, will cost you 1/10,000th of 1 percent of what you pay toward the promotion board taxes for those other commodities. Nevermind, it won't cost you anything since you have a toilet brush on a stand :) Wouldn't you be better served to complain about those?

Well, if it is significantly more than the original cost, then the tree producer and/or retailer are hosing everyone. I would have expected the $40.00 trees to be $40.25 this year.... not $45.

"The fee, requested by the National Christmas Tree Association in 2009"

Isn't that an important point too???? They requested it.

here ya Go....sounds like a Communist conspiracy to me...

http://www.christmastree.org/about.cfm


I wonder when the NCBA is going to roll out its "Fee" Initiative

A “Christmas Tree Tax”? No, Just Good Old Crony Capitalism
interesting read

SPOT ON too Zimmy.

All you guys can eat ya crow now thread closed :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2: :grins:

Owen I am disappointed that every day someone has their hand out. As someone who has worked all their life to pay their own way and seeing how hard it's been I resent this bs the more I see it. It's less food on my kids table and older clothes on their back. It all adds up. If this is happening for all the other stuff too which I didn't know then this needs to be changed. It's wrong. One of the reasons Govt is the way it is now.

Taxing friggin Christmas trees isn't the answer. You got the reason they lobbied for it right there. They want to compete against artificial trees because it hurts their bottom line.

The one difference Scott is that this isn't about handouts, this is about an ag. commodity asking for what amounts to a (~$50 per tree x $0.15 =) 3/10 of 1 percent tax on themselves to pay for their own advertising campaign. Life is too short to get upset about that stuff. Today I was at the barber and he had judge Judy on. There was a 43 yo guy on w/ his 25 yo girlfriend. He looked very healthy, but said he didn't have a job. When questioned about it, he said he was on ss disability. JJ said something like "Not healthy enough to work, but healthy enough to conceive a kid with your girlfriend. I guess we will be paying for you for the next 50 years." His response was "Yeah, probably." That shtuff should piss anyone off. The 3/10ths of a percent tax on Christmas trees requested by the industry is hardly justifies getting worked up about, let alone the title "obama-grinch-stole-christmas."

Cept the problem is the hand is out to take from me. Whether it's .15 here, or $4.00 here, or $50, or $1,000 the bottom line is it all adds up EVERY DAY and the harder I try to make ends meet the more you see #^&#^&#^&#^& like this. Maybe I should just say screw it, cut my hands off and go collect for the rest of my life. Occupy Uxbridge

Maybe John can change the title to O'bama is the Grinch that TRIED to steal Xmas :wave:

it's a nice distraction from Fast and Furious, Solyndra, Iran, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, the economy, Europe, OCCUPY, the Cain media assasination....etc.....

I guess not important issues.... but throw out a 15 cent tax on Christmas trees for discussion and you get all sorts of facts, figures and argument ....

or TAX CHRISTMAS

because of how sensative people have become after 9-11
there will be no more uttering "more christ" as it's no longer about him... it's about SANTA Claus...

Santa should have MAGIC dust...that
GOES DOWN YOUR CHIMNEY
and sets up a christmas tree...

anyone caught saying the word christmas shall be fined
$1.00 US Dollar which is practically EXTINCT

I hate taxes , but have no desire to argue politics on a fishing board. However, you are apparently using the wrong CPA. The average software will pick up a small tax like this that a book keeper(or the small business owner) can operate. And the average amount of money an accountant can save you by doing your taxes correctly and properly depreciating the value of your equipment (while decreasing the profits you made) would far outweight the cost.

You don't have to buy a Christmas tree from a farm that sells more than 500 trees. You don't have to buy a Christmas tree. You DON"T buy a Christmas tree. #$#*$&*# like this? I pay the same $#^($#&*( when I buy your plugs :) It is wrapped up in your advertising costs. You want to compete against another co.'s sick plastic darter that lasts for ever, you may have to advertise more. That cost will get passed on to me. If all wooden plug makers got together and wanted 5 cents per plug sold to go to the plug maker association, I could buy plastic plugs. Actually, maybe they would sell MORE plugs, have higher profits, and charge less! Maybe your tree will be cheaper because the profit margin of the farmers will be higher. They won't need to charge as much :jump1:!!!!

honestly...is this some kind of joke???

if this what is going on at the Ag. Department we should consider shutting down the Ag. Department :uhuh:




In the Federal Register of November 8, 2011, Acting Administrator of Agricultural Marketing David R. Shipman announced that the Secretary of Agriculture will appoint a Christmas Tree Promotion Board. The purpose of the Board is to run a “program of promotion, research, evaluation, and information designed to strengthen the Christmas tree industry’s position in the marketplace; maintain and expend existing markets for Christmas trees; and to carry out programs, plans, and projects designed to provide maximum benefits to the Christmas tree industry” (7 CFR 1214.46(n)). And the program of “information” is to include efforts to “enhance the image of Christmas trees and the Christmas tree industry in the United States” (7 CFR 1214.10).

To pay for the new Federal Christmas tree image improvement and marketing program, the Department of Agriculture imposed a 15-cent fee on all sales of fresh Christmas trees by sellers of more than 500 trees per year (7 CFR 1214.52). And, of course, the Christmas tree sellers are free to pass along the 15-cent Federal fee to consumers who buy their Christmas trees.


this has to be a joke:uhuh:

This is all about the war between those who sell natural Christmas trees and those who sell artificial trees. The artificial trees have been winning, so the naturals petitioned the Ag Dept for help, and, presto, another case of the Federal Govt. taking sides, picking winners and losers, sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong.

so in Obama Admin. lingo this would be an ....

"OVER TREES CONTINGENCY PLAN" :smash: