I'd like to have a Senator that walks the talk
 

Sounds like a silly stunt.

I fly quite a bit and find the TSA to be consistently professional.
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I think it was a stupid act. I do think tsa is a little anal , shoes?, at least I can keep my nail clippers now.
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Sounds to me like he thinks the TSA is an impotent organization that does a better job of making every flying American feel like a criminal than it does at preventing people from taking dangerous items onto a plane.

A very timely example, a friend of flew the other day and realized he had a pocket knife on him. Went through the X-Ray with the rest of his stuff, he goes through the strip-scanner. He was an hour into his flight when he though "oh crap. Did I forget to take that out?" And there was his knife.

Yeah... continue to be complacent and accept being required to check your civil liberties at the door.

Rand Paul has been a consistent critic of the TSA and actually had the pull to not be bullied into submitting to a strip-search or being put into a holding cell.

If I don't like it, I can take a bus.

I'm on the west coast for work pretty frequently. I'd like to see you take a bus out there.

JD, buses no, but if you ever get a few extra days, take the California Zepher out of
Oakland to Chicago and fly from there.
Best train trip I ever had, the scenery and wildlife is unbelieveable.
Just make sure you get a sleeper. :hihi:

Sorry!

When I went through Tsa with my breathing apartartus I elected to go through the shaig down ,,,They were very gertious had no problem, maybe he thought because he was a senator he was priveliged.

Your tin-foil hat is starting to show...

Bryan, Obama already has secret death camps ready for deployment under DHS control. He's just waiting for Soros to send the signal...
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Prolly not, but a bigger push on Agenda 21 would be a possibility.

Then take the train if you don't want to put up w/the requirements.

Doubt it, Obama will be too busy trying to destroy the Second Amendment...

NRA official: Obama wants to outlaw guns in 2nd term - Washington Times

-spence

I'm guessing you haven't traveled for work much. I take the train for most of my travel for anywhere between Boston and DC. The reason the TSA is able to get away with this crap and force people to be groped, molested and interrogated without any probable cause is because people *have* to fly and there is not other practical choice for many locations.

I've flown plenty of times for work - not as much recently. I've never been bothered by the searches. Flying isn't a right.

It's funny, the NRA just makes stuff up and the gun crowd goes nuts.

Sorry to break it this way, but your assertion is bogus.

-spence

Anywhere out of Acela range you can't get there via train, the train price is reasonable but be prepared. BOS to CHI is a 25 hour trip via DC with a 2 hour layover in DC. I could drive to CHI faster, total cost 1 way with a sleeper is 300 buck. 90 min plane ride plus SEECURITY

A box of 20 Win. 270 bullets before Obama's ammo tax, 6.00 now after the tax laws, 17.00

thats enough said in my mind to prove he doesnt like gun owners.

What is Obama's ammo tax?

I think you're confused.
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Posted 6/29/09?

Shows you how long this rumor has been kicking around.....

Right about the same time as the "Obama Wants your Guns" mindset was around (or probably is still around).

I wonder how much Remington/Sturm Ruger/etc paid LaPierre to say that.

Why would they waste the money, if what you claim, with zero to back it up, is true???
Maybe the "Fast and Furious" program can be used to show that he wants more guns on the streets.

LOL Buck,tears in my eyes. :hihi:

Do you know where the NRA gets most of its lobbying money?

Here's a hint.
Not its members.

I know, its hard to stomach, I know you're feeling sick and you want to scream "LEAVE THE NRA ALONE!" but its ok, just accept the fact that they're just another lobbying group with more interest in itself and big corp than you.

It'll be OK, I promise.

4.3 million members...I'm not one of them. Back up what you spew!

Wayne LaPierre Falsely Claims "All" The NRA's Money Comes From Small Donors | Media Matters for America
Yawn.

Since 2005, corporations--gun related and other--have contributed between $19.8 million and $52.6 million to the NRA as detailed in its Ring of Freedom corporate giving program. In a promotional brochure for the program, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre promises that the "National Rifle Association's newly expanded Corporate Partners Program is an opportunity for corporations to partner with the NRA....This program is geared toward your company's corporate interests."

"Corporate Partner Program" is a nice clean way of saying "We take lobbying money"

Isn't it so nice sounding?

You think corporations sponsor groups like the NRA out of the goodness of their heart?

No, corporations protect their interests..it just so happens it's also the 2nd Amendment, and they do it without Fed funding.

Would you like to compare with say another large non-profit.....say Planned Parenthood?

This is nonsense. Every major nonprofit and special interest organization has corporate sponsors. So what if companies like Remmington, Ruger and Kahr donate to the NRA? It's a special interest organization that makes steps to protect and fight for our Second Amendment Rights. And it's a damn good thing considering that breadth of lies and misinformation that is thrown around by the anti-gun crowd.

Every organization will have corporate sponsors and it's these sponsorships that are often the only way the organizations continue to exist. The key is to not be a lazy, complacent supporter of the organization and to make sure that the corporate money does not steer the ideals away from your own.

If a cancer research foundation were sponsored by a company that creates a cancer testing solution, should people stop supporting that foundation because it's now tainted by corporate money?


Instead of an accusation that the NRA is essentially a puppet organization for manufacturers, how about a few examples of how those corporate sponsorships of steered the NRA in a direction that is not inline with it's members' ideals? (As a note, I'm not a member)

I don't think the issue is why Ruger or other manufactures would donate to the NRA, it's pretty obvious...although why Microsoft would is a bit of a mystery. The bigger question is how much say the NRA has in shaping gun law. I believe I've read that Congress considers it the most influential lobby in Washington.

There's a line somewhere between protecting the interests of your members and taking more extreme positions because you're trying to defend a "wedge" issue. While the NRA does a lot of good things to promote gun safety etc...how the organization is pushing a grand Obama conspiracy seems quite over the top.

-spence

Let's not forget that Obama has very openly and very explicitly stated that he supports removing the ability for anyone who is not in law enforcement to carry and conceal, a right that has been completely removed in the City of Chicago.

That's because congress won't admit to the influence that other lobbies have on there pockets. There is no way the NRA is more influential then say oil interest, banking interest, insurance companies, drug companies, AARP etc etc..... The NRA may be powerful because they have 4.3 million members that get out and vote,but they also have the 2nd Amendment on their side.

Big difference between people's health and 2a.

But I'm sure you're anti-abortion and would rather see women knowing their role right?

But lets get back to the real point here.

LaPierre is a lying sack of crap.
Truth.

Lets get beyond the "but but but X, but but but X" for once and actually defend the tool if you're going to argue.

How so exactly? How is a group that subsidizes health care all that different from a group that fights for our rights to protect ourselves and be safe from harm?
It is possible to defend an organization while not agreeing with the statements of the person at the top rung. Most every politician and business executive is a lying sack of crap.

Wrong again....

One only cares about guns (its the national RIFLE association, not the people's rights association), the other actually cares about people.

It is also possible to defend an organization/person without crying about other organizations or people. I know, crazy.

Well, since Planned Parenthood's name is with regards to family planning, I guess they should stop cancer screenings, breast exams and STD testing. It's called Planned PARENTHOOD, not Women's Health Clinic.

I'd also argue that the NRA, while having "Rifle" in the name, cares about more than just guns.


I'm not the one crying about other organizations, but if you're going to try and leverage what one organization does to put down another, then it's on the table.