Mass Striper decline numbers from NOAA
 

Wow I knew it was gettin bad but 83 plus percent total decline an then another 34 % was just in the last year.An all the nay sayers give those of us that have been calling for a slow down as alarmist. WOW

Link please....
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our Query Parameters:
Query: MRIP CATCH TIME SERIES
Year: 2006 - 2011
Wave: ANNUAL
Species: STRIPED BASS
Geographic Area: MASSACHUSETTS
Fishing Mode: ALL MODES COMBINED
Fishing Area: ALL AREAS COMBINED
Type of Catch: TOTAL CATCH (TYPE A + B1 + B2)
Information: NUMBERS OF FISH


Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 8,124,766 10.2
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 5,646,880 12.6
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 4,027,374 11.7
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 2,627,003 10.6
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 2,012,483 11.1
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 1,323,156 14.6

Decrease from 2006 to 2011 is 6,802,000 fish, a decrease of 83.7%
Decrease from 2010 to 2011 was 690,000 fish, a decrease of 34%

How do they get those numbers?

For 2006 to 2010 they pulled them out of their ass! :smash:

Pretty graphic, might be termed as a CRASH!

Can I make golf clubs out my custom RA 's. Be a shame not to use them for something.
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it wouldn't surprise me if r.i's was right there also. after all was said and done, a slow year by all accounts.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& all the time we have been telling ya the f #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g sky is falling ..ya been catching & keeping bass ;:smash::smash::smash:

IMO My bass gear is worthless because except for large [only for a couple of more years ]] then when they are wiped out .............. I,m not gonna be around to see a rebound .if there is one this time ................... back when the last time this happened .The Chessie .was still alive & no Micro bacteria ...this time add the MB with the pollution that was allowed to continue // its a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing dead zone in many many areas . that will not substain any form of life .

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c+r is fine

Toldyaso
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http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/SASStoredProcess/do?

RI number

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 910,764 14.8
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 779,252 13.2
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 467,564 30.4
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 470,113 25.7
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 253,220 18.5
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 157,807 22.0

NH numbers

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 474,136 14.6
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 263,720 22.4
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 82,545 18.2
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 66,030 19.7
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 57,781 31.0
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 126,126 31.2

Maine numbers

Estimate Status Year Common Name Total Catch (A+B1+B2) PSE
FINAL 2006 STRIPED BASS 4,075,656 20.7
FINAL 2007 STRIPED BASS 1,168,763 19.7
FINAL 2008 STRIPED BASS 524,155 24.4
FINAL 2009 STRIPED BASS 325,665 17.5
FINAL 2010 STRIPED BASS 211,138 16.7
PRELIMINARY 2011 STRIPED BASS 142,607 26.6

Why is it that the Cod regulations are going to be a lot tighter in the coming years but there is little talk about any meaningful change in the striper take. Since both the numbers come from NOAA i would think they would both be worthy of taking action.

[QUOTE=Clammer;920641]&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& all the time we have been telling ya the f #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g sky is falling ..ya been catching & keeping bass ;:smash::smash::smash:

+1

Us old farts never did know what we were talkin about.

The hearings at the State House on the 28th of February include a discussion on a proposed law to declare the striped bass a gamefish (no more commercial fishing) and reducing the recreational catch by 50%. Also on the table (I believe) is the idea of a slot like in Maine.

From another site....

There will be three Bills heard that day:
1) The Conservation Bill which prohibits the commercial sale of wild stripers, has a slot limit component, reduces the recreational harvest by 50% and sets the commercial quota aside for conservation.
2) A health Bill that asks for the testing of all wild striped bass for potentially harmful contaminants and the issuing of warnings if appropriate.
3) A Bill that directs the State to manage the wild striped bass for its greatest economic value/return to the Commonwealth.

Show up and have your voice heard, call your State Rep, or both.

Here is a graph representing the total catch for MA, RI, NH, AND ME for 2006-2011.

Bottom axis represents 2006-2011.

Similar to the line graph in the link above, but easier to compare the decline year to year.

There have been a ton of fish killed just by all of us on this board over the years. A common theme seemed to be, "anyone who says they would release a 50 is full of it." What percent of big fish caught at the canal in May or June are released or released w/out first being hung by the jaw? It isn't many. We all should have know this was going to happen as far back as the 90's. Once the numbers start dropping, it is pretty much too late. I hate the ASMFC. What b.s.

Food for thought,

Here is catch by state for 2006-2011.

Well we can start the blame game again but might it be a little bit more productive if we all just went to catch n release for a bit. No more treble hook bait fishin ,bent barbs,better release methods,circle hooks an so on.I really would like to be able to get my grand kids into one someday.Some of us old farts started doin this a few yrs back an were told we were wasting our time as there were loads of fish we all just didn't know how to catch them anymore.Anyone want to join us in trying to have some fish in the future?

Granite State is on fire.

Only state with an increase from 06-11

this doesn't surprise me one bit. Had to really work 2 season's ago, last was even worst. Dismal numbers to say the least. It bothers to think it'll get even worst.

There was a school of bass 10 miles long off the backside spotted by a few spotter planes. day after day all summer long but I guess the Pratt family probly made that up.
Lets not forget the commercial bass quota only took 17 days to fill
NOAA can't count there own toes
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C&R with single hooks would definitely help, but

GAMEFISH STATUS AND A 5 YEAR MORATORIUM

would be even better!


Freak, so we mighty fishermen just can't find or catch the bass, is that the issue?

if only it were true. Maybe some of the Nh boys will chime in.

Not getting into a pissing match, many people had a great season. Like I said NOAA can't count there own toes.
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I don't want to get into a pissing match either, but what percentage of these fish are out in deeper water? I think a lot of the concern here comes from shore fisherman and guys with small boats. :uhuh:

NOAA also claimed that recreational fisherman caught more codfish than the entire commercial fleet (you know, the draggers, gill netters, and tub trawlers) and most all of that occurred in the last 2 weeks of April (when 90% of rec boats aren't even in the water).

To call NOAA's data collection unreliable is a hideous understatement.
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Cod are managed federally by NOAA, SB are managed by state.

I was at the meeting on Friday, and this was addressed... Rauch said that data in particular has been updated, and it's not nearly as high as initially reported. Maybe BP can chime in on that one.

Updated.. sure, because everyone raised holy hell when it was published. NOAA was running with them until they were questioned.

LOL So I'm to enterperet that we still just wanna argue about it instead of doing anything. same dumb-A-- response from us that brought about the moratorium yrs ago. so are we gonna do something constructive of just moan an groan as usuall.we can fix this if we get off our collective butts an work together. We are a damn big voice that a load of other anglers listen to.

Thank god it's just NOAA's data that is wrong.

You would think they could count dead fish accurately after all these years of practice.

Keep on killing boys- the ocean's bounty knows no bounds.

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Lack of communication hurt us a long time back. guys like John an Zeno along with a load of good anglers with some heavy credability give us a huge tool to use to get some important changes made now when needed so that in a few yrs things will be much better. i went through one moratorium an learned a lot from guys like Bob Pond,Stan Gibbs,Roberto Germani,Jerry Jansen an a load of others.Most important waS THAT IF WE WORKED TOGETHER WE CAN ACCOMPLISH A LOT.We can only hurt ourselves with all the insesant bickering.We not someone else need to start taking steps. i'm not talking stop fishing I'm talking being conservative and taking care to release fish so they survive an use methods of fishing an gear so the STRIPERS have the biggest chance of survival.I've put so much of my own life into this fish and the love an joy of chasing it an the fantastic people we all have had the chance to meet because of it that it would be such a shame if we don't work together to try to fix this before it gets out of hand.We need to work together. we all played a part in getting things where they are today so lets all work together to fix the problem. Ron McKee--AKA-- Striper Maine-iac

I love that when the NOAA data matches pretty much what nearly all of the serious rec fisherman have seen, it is faulty data. 8.1 million to 1.3 million is so far beyond the range of error that it is a joke to say the data is invalid. By nature, the data has error. The question are the numbers within the margin of error. Not even close. Take the 100 fisherman on this cite who consistently fish the most hours. Survey them about the fishing in 1995, 2000, 2005, 2010. No doubt in my mind that an overwhelming majority catch substantially fewer fish now than 10 years ago.

Another variation keeping the catch by state broken out.

I can't wait to sign up for the Striper Cup.
Who needs a stock assessment.

Amen

If history is the benchmark, I'm betting that nothing happens to change the quota, size, commercial take, etc. No one wants to do anything until it gets like 87 & 88 when if you caught 2 schoolies you had a great morning. Then the fisheries management guys will close the season, impose a moratorium and "close the barn door after the horse is stolen."

Now I'm really glad I have taken up sporting clays and competitive pistol shooting.

Given the methods they use to collect data, the results are certainly in the ballpark. I've been keeping a detailed log since 1996 and I've used the Mass. DMF's eLogbook for the past two seasons. When they recently released information saying the recreational catch had declined 65% over the past few years, I went into my log and came up with 66% for myself.

My issue is with the arbitrary value they use as the sustainable limit. How can you know how many fish are in the ocean by counting a small percentage of those that are taken out?

The decisions made by these folks are political. They report to the Department of Commerce and their main concern is economic, not species conservation.