Mass Saltwater License survey
 

Anyone else receive the NOAA / Mass Marine survey in the mail for getting a license this year ?

WTF is question #7 A "hypothetical" question am I willing to pay $55.00 for my 2012 Saltwater fishing license :yak5:

"No. Until there is some proof to how the current license fee is helping the fishing community, I refuse to pay more than $10."

At least the freshwater license helps fund the stocking and restoration program.

Would GFY be an appropriate answer to the asinine question?
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yes. as long as you write it long hand

gee what a surprise, they're already testing the water for more money. :smash:

meet my friend Ben from Dover

Really?!?!These mofo's!After one year there already checking increase perimeters?WTF!:fury:

They can chase me around the f'in rocks and across the water in my yak to catch me to collect their money if they go there!!! And to insult us with such a moronic question????:fury:

Hope I get their questionnaire.......I will promptly wipe my ass with it and return it to them toot suite!!!:uhuh:

Before everybody gets upset at this BS, NOAA is a Federal Agency, Salt water fishing permits are sold/issued by the States!!!!

In Mass the monies collected go into a dedicated fund for the fishery, the Feds/NOAA gets nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you ummm.....believe that? I do not.:hs:

NOAA is part of the survey.

http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dmf/recre...urvey_faqs.pdf
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So there working for free?
Funny I'am actually a millionaire and I work just for recreation:hihi:

no survey yet,i got my new lic back in january,the lic was part of the reason i went back to salt fishing(it was cheaper)i got tired of sneaking around hoping i would not get caught.

The F&W funds have gone into a dedicated account for as long as I've been around.

You can believe whatever you want, but the federal legislation that resulted in the license says that any state that doesn't segregate their SW license fees and keep them in a dedicated account will lose the matching funds they get from the Wallop-Breaux federal excise tax--which in our case, is several million dollars more than what license sales generate.

Even the dopes on Beacon Hill can do third grade arithmetic.

I do not believe much these days Mike...for reasons which are obvious.

And what agency regulates fishing beyond the 3 mile limit? Not the states......

If anyone has this survey please contact me directly via pm or basicpatrickataoldotcom

I am one of the five citizens appointed to the Recreational Fisheries Development Committee that advises DMF on all expenditures and thus far I know nothing of this survey. There may be some confusion about where this comes form.

If anyone wants proof that the license money is being used for the advancement of recreational fisheries call the MA Public Access board and you can get real numbers about the Recreational Fisheries Development Panel advising DMF partner on a going project with Public Access Board who is doing a rebuild of a boat launch at Highbank Road on the Bass River in Yarmouth and we can add some license money to build a fishing pier. This is only the first project but it will improve shore fishing access.

Gov't must be watched and we are watching...please always forward evidence and rumors to my attention.

I think I just fried my keyboard when I spit my coffee on it... love the reply... but to answer the question.. I havent seen a survey... If I was to be sent one.. I might be inspired to reply the G.F.Y.route..being of the belief that any time people start asking questions.. they are planning on taking something else away from us.

Survey payolla
 

Anyone else get a $500.00 check from noaa to turn in your 2012 saltwater lic. with the survey? I did. Not sure what to make of it.

There's no enforcement now for the free version. Crank it up to $55 and there will be a checkpoint at every launch ramp in the state. "We need 300 new enforcement agents and the new Bureau of Fishing License Enforcement"

$100+ lic in our lifetime. Fishermen will have to pay for everything related to fisheries.

I have been totally against the lic up top now. But now I think it may be a good way to cull out the number of fishermen and get the fishery back in some kind of respectable shape. I know it will be a hard pill to swallow but Lets just move it to 100 per person with NO discount for seniors or youths. Frankly, seniors should pay double as they will no doubt use the lic more. I think they should even consider a more excessive fee, maybe 500 to really jump start the fishery back into some kind of respectable shape. I mean considering it will cost a grand each time I put fuel in the boat this summer, 500 is little to complain about.

I already pay:

$160 commercial license
$140 charter boat license
$45 Federal tuna
$50 CT out of state freshwater (for the inlaws)
$50 ME out of state freshwater

what's another $55 just add it on to the pile. Excuse me while I go buy more ammo .

Sure I am Sure

that's rediculous Jim, what are you some kind of elitist or something:smash: maybe you are being sracastic
not everyone can afford to pay for a salt water rec. license, and at 100 bucks it would definately hurt the sport, kids wouldn't get into it, others also. Why the need to weed out people and make it so less people are fishing? I don't get it, the more that are aware, the better chance of keeping shoreline access, once it's gone, it's gone. Once they charge more, they'll charge more.
I say F that, sounds like the old, give em an inch, take a mile crap to me.
This is why I was against a SW lic. in the first place. It is supposed to be for registration numbers to get an idea how many are SW fishing, not a money grab:wall::smash:

you got a bribe? :huh:

sounds fishy

Rather than an insidious NOAA/state collusion to increase license fees, I wonder if this is a clumsy attempt to get an idea how dedicated or devoted a fisherman the person answering the survey is. They might postulate that someone who would not pay fifty bucks for a license is not that committed to the sport.

I could easily see someone at NOAA with a commercial bias turning this around and using it as an argument that the recreational community does not value the resource enough to even shell out 55 bucks for the chance to fish.

Or it could be used as "data" (which it hardly deserves to be called) to show states that high license fees would be counter-productive and reduce participation excessively.

All I know is that if I had to I would pay $55 and get on with it. I already pay way more than that for stupid things like trailer registration, mooring registration, excise taxes. Hell, I pay $30 for a freshwater license and use it about 3 x a season.

I think it will be $56.63 don't forget the CONVENIENCE CHARGE :fury:

Charge a big high fee so poor people can't go fishing and since only the rich can go fishing it will be easier for them to catch something....

All the deer in Sherwood Forest belong to the King. The penalty for hunting the King's deer is death.

I am tired of the "poor" fisherman argument. They don't pay taxes, they get lots of entitlements and enjoy the freedom we all share by calling ourselves Americans. If they want to fish, they need to pay like everyone else does. The poor need to contribute too. 50 bucks is not going to effect 99% of the fishermen.
One more thing...before you get your permit, they should check that you are a US citizen and/or here legally.

Bitter??? You bet I am.

Oh your right fishsmith, that convenience charge is an insult to anyone with half a brain who has ever bought anything on the internet. Imagine if Amazon added a convenience charge?

$50 isn't going to affect 99% of fisherman....but $1.63 is a slap in the face. :huh:

If we pay $55.00 for the license The Patrick Regime wont have to raise the soda and candy tax in vending machines 500%.

No it is not the magnitude of the $ but the way it is couched in. Do we really need to pay a convenience fee?

I already pay plenty to go fishing!! Boat reg, Excise tax, trailer tax,truck reg, truck tax, comm lic, for 5 fish, boat repair, tackle, ect ect.... i have never got a REC lic and I am not starting now!!
If they want a rec lic I would be glad to pay but only if they give us more and better access to the water!
Stop all inshore dragging!! Lets do something to protect the inshore fish so when we go out to fish there is something out there!
There should be no commercial fishing in the 3 mile limit! And I will not pay to fish while there is!! I will give all the comm permits up as soon as they stop.

MARK MY WORDS: Money will be going to the MBTA budget shortfall.

At least the freshwater fees pay for re-stocking.

you can go to the regional offices and get one and not pay the fee....or get it online and pay the fee. At least you're paying for something your using and its not a blanket cost that your paying whether you're using it or not.

if I'm not mistaken too.....they sub out that functionality to an outside vendor....so the state doesn't even see that money..it goes to the Vendor.

The company doing the survey is out of VA. It could be that the survey is a template from another state where the fees are higher for example Virginia.
VA has saltwater fees that are of different cost for SW REC and SW REC BOAT. The cost associated for boat recs as it relates to piers, ramps, oil/gas cleanups and are higher then a shore angler. The shore angler only needs access therefore the higher cost if anything should be for the boat recs in all fairness.
Check out the VA license cost below

Individual SW, Resident#^&
$17.50

Individual SW,
Nonresident
$25.00

Individual FW/SW, Resident#^&
$40.00

Individual FW/SW, Nonresident
$71.00

SW 10-day temp, Resident#^&
$10.00

SW 10-day temp,
Nonresident
$10.00

FW/SW 5-day temp, Resident#^&
$24.00

FW/SW 5-day temp,
Nonresident
$31.00

SW Recreational boat, Resident#^&
$48.00

* SW Recreational boat, Nonresident

$76.00

Reissuance of SW Recreational Boat License
$5.00

** Tidal Boat Sport Fishing, Resident#^&
$126.00

** Tidal Boat Sport Fishing, Nonresident
$201.00

*** Individual Lifetime SW (Under 45), Resident#^&
$276.00

*** Individual Lifetime SW (Under 45), Nonresident
$500.00
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Wow, those are some hefty prices.

February 28, 2012
MarineFisheries Advisory

2012 MASSACHUSETTS SALTWATER ANGLER PERMIT SURVEY
The Division of Marine Fisheries (MarineFisheries) is collaborating with the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) to collect information on the Commonwealth’s recreational saltwater fishery to measure its economic value. In addition to providing important information about the socio-economic value of saltwater fishing in Massachusetts, this federally funded study will help to validate frequently used economic evaluation methods by applying an innovative direct approach in which some saltwater permit holders are presented with a cash offer in exchange for giving up their permit and thus the right to fish in marine waters for the remainder of 2012. Other permit holders will receive a survey asking for either their willingness to sell their 2012 permit for a particular price or their willingness to have paid a different amount for their 2012 permit.
MarineFisheries is issuing this Advisory to attest to the legitimacy of this angler permit survey, including the cash offers that some individuals will receive, and to assure its constituents that in no way will the information from the survey be used to modify fees for Massachusetts’ recreational saltwater fishing permits.
Participation in the survey is voluntary; however, MarineFisheries highly encourages your response based on the important information that will be gathered. Past studies on the contribution of recreational fishing to the Commonwealth’s economy have considered the number of jobs and the amount of sales and incomes that are supported by the expenditures of saltwater recreational fishermen, but have not included the value that anglers place on being able to go saltwater fishing. This type of information holds great worth; for example, it would be necessary for a comprehensive estimate of economic losses to the recreational fishery if for some reason Massachusetts’ waters had to be closed to fishing.
MarineFisheries is maintaining a list of Commonly Asked Questions about the 2012 Massachusetts Saltwater Angler Permit Survey under the recreational permit page of its website: Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries. General questions about MarineFisheries’ involvement can be directed to Nichola Meserve (nichola.meserve@state.ma.us). Technical questions regarding the study should be directed to Quantech, Inc., the statistical analysis and survey research firm contracted by NMFS to conduct the survey. Please contact Daemian Schreiber at 800-229-5220 ext 7831, or mavs@quantech.com.

The Division of Marine Fisheries (MarineFisheries) is collaborating with the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) to collect information on the Commonwealth’s recreational saltwater fishery to measure its economic value. In addition to providing important information about the socio-economic value of saltwater fishing in Massachusetts, this federally funded study will help to validate frequently used economic evaluation methods by applying an innovative direct approach in which some saltwater permit holders are presented with a cash offer in exchange for giving up their permit and thus the right to fish in marine waters for the remainder of 2012. Other permit holders will receive a survey asking for either their willingness to sell their 2012 permit for a particular price or their willingness to have paid a different amount for their 2012 permit.

:confused:
"this federally funded study" I run when I see those words!!

I'd take $500 to relinquish my permit. I'd have to be fined what, 5 times before it starts costing me money to fish? In the last 3 years, I don't think I've seen an Eviro Police officer 5 times.