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Who knows what truly happened, but this guy is being declared guilty before being presumed innocent.

If Obama had a son, would he look like Matthew?

Video: Matthew Owens Beaten by Black Mob Saying ?That's Justice for Trayvon"

Only the beginning.

The media,Al (aka Jesse Jackson) Sharpton will turn this into a powder-keg with a lit fuze.

The constitution has been and will be trampled to death.Innocent until proven guilty has long been dead.Its been Guilty until proven innocent for many years,its only a matter of time until this becomes LAW.

So a bunch of whites in the projects get beat up by 30, 100, over 9000, nobody knows black kids.

And a random facetwitterspacebook comment about Trayon.

Keep reeeeaaaaccchhhhiiiiinnnnngggggg.

2 is a bunch now?? And one of them is a woman?
Move along white people...nothing to see here!

Seems to me that White on Black crimes stand out more than Black on White crimes and White on Black crimes are more likely to be classified as a Hate crime.

According to the FBI, 2010 hate crime offenders statistics: Of the 7,330 known offenders, 58.6 percent were white and 20.6 percent were black.

Is it that more crimes commited by whites against non whites actually are hate crimes or is it that they tend to be classified more as a hate crime (even if they are not)

I think the reason its becomes a hate crime is the "Why" they did it.

If a white guy beats up a black guy because they just wanted to beat somebody up...then its not a Hate Crime....but if a Black guy beats up a White Guy BECAUSE he is white...then that gets classified as a hate crime.

at least thats my take on it....if it makes any sense

The why may have something to do w/it (difficult to prove) but I think it also is what is said during the crime. If the word cracker or N..... is used, it prob. gets classified as a hate crime. I don't think Zimmerman was charged w/a hate crime b/c there is no proof he targeted Martin b/c of his color.

Matthew Owens beaten by a group of blacks was a hate crime... no other way to look at unless U believe in political correctness... where is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

Plus U have had no media attention about the hate crime commited by a black American aganist a white person this past April in Chicago and is going to trial... once again... where is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton the two greatest black representatives to lead the black people to prosperity

At least there are people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that stand for the black community. The spanish have their leaders and so on and so on.
Forget about asking where is Jackson and Sharpton for when crime is committed against white folks but where are the white local and national recognized leaders ?
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When Israelis bomb someone, its self defense, when someone bombs Israelis its terrorism.

Same thing, right?

From Websters...

Definition of HATE CRIME

: any of various crimes (as assault or defacement of property) when motivated by hostility to the victim as a member of a group (as one based on color, creed, gender, or sexual orientation)

Where's all the black on hispanic violence?

"But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting."

did anyone read this?

George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting | Reuters

When a huge % of the hate crimes are committed against one race (that happens to be the minority) then maybe someone needs to stand up and point that out.

If it wasn't for those 2, would we be hearing about it or would an arrest have been made?

I personally haven't seen any indication that it was a hate crime though.

I personally think those 2 are a couple of Ass-Clowns myself. I think they do it more for their own gain than for the Righteous reasons they put out to the media.

I agree with you. And, call me a pessimist but if we had “White” counterparts to these two who were advocates for the white community and jumped at every occasion they would be condemned and labeled racists.

Although if Al Sharpton were white he would resemble Ron Jeremy……….

WOW ! interesting read. I think all Zims lawyers need to do is read that out loud and he would be acquited.

What kind of a cop says "Get a dog"?

I agree. I don't read or listen to what they say. I don't know why others do. The more people listen and discuss what they say, they more media coverage they get.

Glad it is now in the courts and the evidence can be heard. I'm not sure how the article in any way reflects his guilt in the shooting. He will almost certainly get out of a 2nd degree murder charge, though.

We know he is guilty of the shooting. What they need to do is make it a crime and that Zim was not acting in self defence. The burden is on the prosecution, not Zim. The prosecution case will rely on painting Zim as a hell bent vigilante, profiling Trayvon and ignoring police. Thats all they have.
The article paints a different picture. If the defense can get the older black lady in the article and the neighbor who Zim provided a back door lock to take the stand- they will speak to Zims character and the circumstances which may refute the picture the prosectuion is trying to paint. At the very least it will bring reasonable doubt and thats all they need.

It still comes down to IF Zimmerman did follow him, when 911 told him not to and ended up in a confrontation. If he had said OK, turned around and walked away the kid is still alive today.

agreed!

They will use the head pic as self-defense evidence as well..

I'm still trying to figure out why the "Stand Your Ground" law pertains to the guy who initiated the chain of events by chasing down and confronting the guy walking down the street after being told not to....and not to the guy that was walking down the street. You would think in that situation Martin had the right to bash Zimmerman's head in the pavement and be covered under the "Stand Your Ground" law.

Just what I think....regardless of what either one of their backgrounds are.

Kind of like a car accident on the highway...who's at fault, the guy who is just driving down the road in his lane or the guy that alterred the traffic pattern and changed lanes.

if they both stayed in their lanes and their paths never crossed....there is no accident

He's a good guy! He just has had a couple restraining orders along with calls of domestic violence, no worries!

Also make sure to put this part of the 911 call on repeat:
"These #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

Aquit!

The dead kid was no choir boy, either.

Not sure if that matters...

You weren't there, neither was I. It's no crime (though bad judgment) to refuse to obey a dispatcher. It's going to be a very tough case to prosecute.

The 911 call will pretty much paint him as a vigilante out to shoot someone.

Likiwd, try for a minute to use your brain, not your feelings -
Put black granny on the stand saying that black kids have been robbing the neighborhood and put neighbors on the stand saying that Zimmerman has been trying to help out. Put examples how recently robbers have escaped after Zimmerman called, etc. The jury will be sympathtic to Zim. I dont know if you've been on a jury but its all about getting the jury to like or dislike someone. That is who they will believe. Facts are sketchy, this case will be all about character.

This is about Zimmerman taking matters into his own hands and shooting someone, not any of your other bs.

Yes, I've been on two juries.
Its not about symapthy or any other bs you spew up, its about facts.

Fact is, he gunned the kid down. They won't be able to prove he was defending ANYTHING given he STALKED the kid.

Now, tell me, what is it like to have the media telling you how to think?

Thats bs - every fact they put up to support that, the defense will have a counter. Stalked, thats an opinion, not a fact. It is a fact that when Zim witnessed a crime, the police got there too late, fact. It speaks to his rationale, its not illegal to follow a person who may be commititng a crime - then look at the history of the neighborhood. Who is your eyewitness? no one! It will come down to circumstance and character.
Sorry, not the media, my own opinion. Sorry it doesnt agree with yours. So you are saying that the prosecution will not try to paint zimmerman as a hot headed vigilante? There case will be all fact? BullShat.

I wonder if the crime has stopped/slowed down in this community after this incident. Not that it matters to the case above but wonder if this made the criminals robbing this place think twice.....

really?
here is the full transcript. Not media talking points. please tell me which parts paint him as a vigilante? He sounds controlled and polite to the 911 operator. he tells them exactly where he is and exactly where the police should meet him. Would a murderer do that? He is noticably shaken when he provides his address because he realizes that that potential thief (in his state of mind) might over hear. The jury will hear fear in this, not aggression.
He twice make derogratory remarks about thieves - not trayvon, thieves. 99.99% of people believe thieves are punks, a-holes, etc. The jury will relate.
The 911 dispatcher says- We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Sounds like the dispatcher is on Zimmermans side! On the wire! He is approving Zimmermans actions!
And for the grand finale - the 911 operator says - "we dont need you to do that" when Zim is following. That wasnt an order, that was a comment. They didnt tell him not to follow.
This is what you base your case on? Please read the transcript and tell me how this hangs zimmerman?

Zimmerman 911 Call Transcript – Trayvon Martin | Phoebe's Detention Room

Zimmerman 911 Call Transcript – Trayvon Martin | Phoebe's Detention Room

You guys are over thinking this. His job was to wait for the police, not engage the person he suspected of being a criminal. In that moment he went from a being a community watcher to vigilante. So far I've not seen any evidence that contradicts this.

I'll be astonished if he doesn't get a manslaughter conviction.

-spence

Facts:
He stalked the kid. (Proven by the fact HE TELLS THE DISPATCHER HE'S FOLLOWING TRAYVON)
He got into a confrontation with the kid. (Proven by the injuries)
He shot the kid. (The hole in the kid)

Horse dookie:
Everything you said.

I think "On the Wire" means that they have dispatched it to units in the area to check out....I don't think its approving Zimmerman's actions.

I got a feeling this trial is going to be more about the Stand your Ground law than about Zimmerman's innocence or guilt

I agree with your facts. But they don't prove that Zimmerman committed a crime, not by a long shot. Those facts that you listed, in no way prove that Martin didn't initiate the situation that made it reasonable for Zimmerman to assume he was in grave danger.

I'm not saying I like what Zimmerman did. I'm saying that the facts you listed don't even come close to eliminating reasonable doubt.

Gee, that was a diffucult defense to your iron clad case