Coincidence?
 

Take a look at the top 25 counties in the US for job growth..

Where the jobs are - Loudoun County, VA (1) - Money Magazine

Anyone want to guess at the common element?
Most are republican controlled "red" states. Coincidence?
I dont think so. Smart, educated, skilled people are leaving New England and CA to head to these areas. These areas will make more $, have more $ to invest locally, improving schools, creating well rounded educated kids. Its a culture of success.
Whereas dem controlled areas rely on govt support and systematically hold people down with high taxes and limited growth.

I believe we've discussed this before.

-spence

I believe the data speaks for itself

Hows the bankrupt state of RI doing these days?

These areas with the most growth are due to government contracts with the defense industry and their supporting companies. Thereafter the private industry will benefit from commercial derivation of that defense product. While there are thousands of soldiers in war there are tens of thousands supporting the war from research and development to manufacturing to custodial work.
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Of those 10 how many are not linked directly to energy or gov't contract/D.C. work. TN might be the outlier here....

You can afford to give big incentives when you get big incentives from Oil Co's!

I'm with Jimmy, unfortunately, the tech in the Rte 128 beltway is rapidly moving away from the democratic state of MA. I'm forced more and more to travel to work in my industry at a wage that is no where close to what it was 10 years ago.
MA is NOT corporate friendly, except if you print EBT cards

I know that Grover Nordqist is the epitome of evil for some but if you have the chance to catch his talk that has been on CSpan it's awfully good, he's an equal opportunity basher of both sides and he points out the "movement" taking place between the red and blue states....many or most of these red states are going to opt out of the medicare expansion thanks to SCOTUS and creation of these health exchanges...i think there are about 15(out of Obama's 57) states that are expected to have their exchanges up and running by the 2014 dedline....the blue states are going to wallow in their own mess and misery....:uhuh:

struggling with voter fraud :)

A: Dirt cheap labor
B: Dirt cheap cost of living
C: Dirt cheap property

Corporations don't move to areas to "improve the quality of life" they move to save money. Its all about success, of the corporation, not you.

Loudon isn't even close to being in the top 10 data centers in the US btw. To give you a scale, Microsoft's datacenter in Washington is 1/4 the size of EVERYTHING in Loudon. And they aren't even the biggest single DC. Also VZ hq has been in VA forever now.
Also, VZ, not a US company technically speaking, I'll let you sort that one out. :hihi:

VZ is a publiclally traded company so yes the ownership is all
Over the world
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So military spending is good for the economy. It puts people to work thanks for makin that abundantly clear
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Pretty much been a universal truth. Its just when war ends that it all really falls apart.

Quick! We need to invade another country!

What a novel concept people start companies to make money. If their location is impeding their ability to profit they relocate? Amazing the one thing you also left out was corporate incentive to relocate. I would also imagine the lower wages paid fall in line with a lower cost of living. Far be it for me to say but if I were able to live comfortably on 30,000 net a year in an area where it cost me less to do so I might be satisfied with how things were? It would almost be like the dollar actually still had value.
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Once big enough most of those companies will move offshore.

Its nice to see Idaho Falls back in the list (my boss lived there), the last "big thing" they had was Dell. Until they decided to go to India.

I wonder how long before wash rinse repeat. :D

How is dell's market share these days? The one thing you could count on with dell back in the day was incredible customer service. Not do much anymore. I would like to think a CEO (not all i am sure) has the ability to not repeat others mistakes. I suppose it is a wait and see game. But if a business has no need to move offshore it will not? If a corporations profits are being hamstrung by a negative business climate and the inability to turn a profit it will in fact move. They have stick holders to answer to etc. etc. maybe we should be looking at ways to make the US more corporate friendly and the people will reap the rewards of having steady jobs.
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#3 behind a Chinese company and a shell of its former self cheapo junk computer company (HP)

Where do you think HP's support is? How about Lenovo's?

Michael Dell and mahogany row just did what everyone else did. Not really a 'mistake'. It did save them huge amounts of money. Upper level support (mostly datacenter support/high level corp support) stayed in US (in places like Idaho) for a time until it was consolidated/streamlined/partially shipped offshore.

I do love Dell's plan after Rollins resigned.
After four out of five quarterly earnings reports were below expectations, Rollins resigned in 2007 and founder Michael Dell assumed the role of CEO again. Dell announced a change campaign called "Dell 2.0," reducing headcount and diversifying the company's product offerings.
:hihi:

Companies make changes/move for pennies on the dollar. Keep the stock holders happy, not you the consumer.

What would you suggest they do?
Give huge tax breaks? (already done) Reduce the minimum wage? (Maybe the mexicans will go home) Strip workers rights? (Which in a sense we may see in Detroit)

My suggestion is the US become
More autonomous. Close the borders. Impose tariffs on imports make outsourcing overseas less cost affective. Impose stiff taxes on imported oil and make it more profitable for oil companies to keep our oil here.

As far as Detroit goes?? So be it! No company can produce a
Product at a profit and support some of those old contracts. If they had re organized instead of taking bail outs they would have been able to re negotiate with the UAW and come to terms on contracts that would keep people working and enable the companies to turn a profit. Those UAW contracts no Company could make
It with. My FIL worked for GM in Framingham they shut down the plant he retired at 45 with full medical and retirement and pay for the next 20 years?
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Considering being in a union isn't hugs kisses and bunny rabbits despite what most think, he probably busted his a&& in that plant harder than you ever will.

"The Massachusetts technology sector added 3,300 computer engineering and Web development jobs since the beginning of this year, 50 percent more than in the same period in 2011, thanks largely to hiring sprees at software giants such as Internet architecture company Akamai Technologies Inc. For the seven-month period through July, Massachusetts had the country’s sixth-highest level of job creation in the segment of the state’s innovation economy designated as computer systems design and related services, according to Dice.com."

Tech job growth accelerates in Massachusetts - The Boston Globe

Bryan. Why bother?
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likwid, nebe, bry,

I cant tell you how uninformed you are
Dirt cheap labor Likwid? 4 of the counties in TX on the list are near my town. Median incomes are in all these areas exceed 100K PER HOUSEHOLD. Most are 140K and above. You cant touch houses in some of these places for under a million. And guess what? Theres no oil here or energy. Its all healthcare, IT and financial services. Every day I see maseratis, bentleys and lamborghinis driving around. Yeah, they're all dirt cheap labor.

new englanders heads are so far up there a$$ its not even funny. There is not one area in NE that is growing. The entire areas is declining.
Go ahead and jump all over me but I can post volumes of DATA that show the median incomes, industries, etc. I know its hard to believe when you're in the new england bubble, but the rest of the country is educated, skilled and motivated.

dadgummut, Ima gessin these here yungins is moving to places that offer them some day o-por-tune-ity and likin them rednecky states

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~rgittell/do...oungAdults.pdf

that is bull$hit
did you even read the article?

Really you know nothing of me. My work ethic or what I do for work. But you can make a statement about me based on comments in a thread. I never said anything about the work load he carried or the work performed by unions. I am simply stating no company no matter how large can subsidize a large percentage of its work force for that period of time with zero return on its investment. I will go back to being a slacker now.
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I had worked for a large defense contractor so I know what I am talking about.
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ohh! well I currently work for one of the worlds largest financial companies and I know what im talking about. Plus, believe it or not, I have data to back me up. data is a wonderful thing.

Thats funny, I just looked through Fort Bend County (trulia etc) and nothing over a million is moving.

Lots of wishing, not alot of selling.

I can throw a rock and hit million dollar homes and wave to million dollar incomes, whats your point?


RIJimmy admits to be working for the problem. :hihi:

[QUOTE=likwid;955371]Thats funny, I just looked through Fort Bend County (trulia etc) and nothing over a million is moving.

Lots of wishing, not alot of selling.

I can throw a rock and hit million dollar homes and wave to million dollar incomes, whats your point?


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my point is that its not "cheap labor" driving growth in these areas. If it was, the median income would not be so high in most of these areas that are growing. Its a silly science called economics. Whats driving growth is
- good business climate which includes low state taxes, and qualified resources (pools of college grads - where its growing)
- quality of life - good commutes, better weather
- good schools, infrastructure

while I agree with you that companies dont care about your quality of life, the quality of life of an area is what attracts talented people. Its not about only money. people want work/life balance and most cities cannot offer that.
My wife and I rarely had commutes under an hour, and not we commute 10 minutes and live in an affluent area I could not afford to live in on the east coast. My kids public schools are mind blowing, all the latest technology and built in the last few yrs. Educational rankings are exceptional.
you serioulsy must be blind if you dont see talented people fleeing the northeast. In my old neighborhood in MA alone, 4 familes recently moved to other states for better jobs.

Post your data sources.
Lets make sure to differentiate between median family vs median male or median female.

Manhattan. End of discussion on that.

Yes, just like Mass Exodus. Remember that? END OF MA BUSINESS! Right, sure, door -> butt etc.

are you suggestng Manhattan has a good work life balance? huh? fro families? you'd have to make huge $$$ to live there, you'd have to send your kids to private schools, crowds, crime, parking, everyting is incredibly expensive
Serioulsy, are you out of your mind?

I doin't think Bryan's article is incorrect. I've been noticing an upswing in High Tech in Massachusetts. Dice is the biggest Job Site for I.T.

I have been getting a lot more recruiters contacting me about opportunities in MA...a lot of guys I work with have also been getting a lot more calls/e-mails from recruiters.

I will say that IT has seemed to have gone more the temp to perm route. A lot of companies want to Vet their new hires that way as there are a lot of people claiming to have the skill sets needed but not being able to perform when hired.

The last 3 places I contracted with have all wanted to hire me on permanently, once they found out I was capable of doing the job.

point in time, look at the trend over the past 10 years. just because 3000 jobs were added, how many were lost over the years.

I agree with that 100%...

There's a reason I won't work in the City.

I could make more money, but my quality of life would not be where it is.

I would be spending much more time commuting. I've managed so far to keep my commute to roughly 35-40 minutes wherever I've worked.

10 Minutes would be awesome....

I know its a point in time...but at least its going up. Hopefully it will continue to trend that way.

Bottom line for me...Quality of life for me means Living in New England.

I've Lived in CA, and I've lived in SC....but I like New England the best.

I have been contemplating a move to NH or ME though...that may be happening

I had traveled to most of the major newspapers in the design and development of the ad composition systems and interfaces. Two of those were the Dallas Morning News and the Houston Herald. This goes back to the many years ago and even then the job growth was phenomenal for the reasons you sited.
The overall health of people in TX appear to be healthy for most are lean and not overweight and the women are attractive.
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dad - i hear ya. this is not meant to be a personal thread, everyone has there own vlaues.
i just cannot believe that some are blatantly ignoring the article I posted and arguing against it. ignorance is the only word that fits

Nobody is ignoring it.
My original point was, in large part, the Texas development is fueled by Energy payments to states, (which allows states to make incentives available to buisnesses) OR were around DC, based largely on Gov't contract work.....

incorrect Bry. look at the info.

Look, I am out of this discussion, I leave you the following. Do you what you want. My point in this forum is that the areas of growth in country are republican controlled. The areas of decline are democrat controlled. Please review the following.

Kiplinger.com

Another Triumph for Texas: Best/Worst States for Business 2012 | ChiefExecutive.net | Chief Executive Magazine

and again, my original post

Where the jobs are - Loudoun County, VA (1) - Money Magazine

Let me requote you.

Now since its not about money, we'll go on your premise that those living in those places can afford it, therefore they're there for the work/life balance.

So, where you're living, list the number of the following there are:
World class theatres (where you might see say, Mathew Broderick doing a show)
World class restaurants (we'll be fair, 4 star or above)
World class museums (no explanation needed)
World class art galleries (no cowboy hats allowed)
World class views (something to compliment eben's work)
World class shops (those spence WOULD be found in)

Also while we're at it, if Texas is doing so great at job creation, why is its unemployment rate back up?

serioulsy? Are you really that narrow minded? Take a seat Likwid.

Ft Worth has one the largest cultural centers in the country

A few miles west of downtown Fort Worth, you can discover one of the largest arts districts in the nation.

The Fort Worth Cultural District features five internationally-recognized museums in a beautiful, park-like setting that are all acclaimed for their architecture, the quality of their collections and the programs they offer. This remarkable collection of museums in a single location has made Fort Worth a major destination for lovers of art and architecture.

Part of its surprising Cultural District (on Bowie Ave, west of downtown), the Kimbell Art Museum is, some say, the best ‘small’ art museum in the US, with a lovely naturally lit space for its Cezanne, Michelangelo and Caravaggio pieces. Its buffet lunch in its tranquil courtyard is one of Fort Worth’s favorite dining pleasures. Plus entrance is free!

well that covers museums and art and they're about 20 mins from my house. I didnt bother with dallas which has incredible science museums and aquariums

On to theatre!

theres bass hall in ft worth
Bass Performance Hall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Built as a multi-purpose facility, the Hall is able to house symphony, ballet, opera, stage, musicals, and rock concerts and it is now the permanent home to the Fort Worth Symphony Orchestra, Texas Ballet Theater, Fort Worth Opera, and the Van Cliburn International Piano Competition and Cliburn Concerts. Performing Arts Fort Worth, which manages the Hall, also hosts its own performances here, including national touring Broadway productions and a family series.

(what no hoedowns? No tractor pulls!)

there are also these "dumps" in dallas
AT&T Performing Arts Center
an opera house? In dumb ole texas?
Winspear Opera House | AT&T Performing Arts Center

on to restaurants!
oh and a little more culture for ya
Dallas Design District Is a Destination for Art and Food, Too - NYTimes.com
fwfoodie.com - Fort Worth Foodie Magazine
Dallas' Texas-Size Offerings, from Five-Star Restaurants to World-Class Shopping - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
Dallas boasts more restaurants per capita than any other city in America. There are endless options from the very sophisticated and chic to the casual and fun ambience. In addition to the true steak experience, Dallas offers cuisine from all over the world. Whatever your taste buds are wanting, Dallas' restaurants provide it all from Italian to Japanese/sushi to Latin to European to Chinese and Thai. Dallas' Mexican restaurants are always popular as well. Dallas has around 10 five-star restaurants, including Stephan Pyles, The French Room, Abacus, Nana, and The Mansion on Turtle Creek, to name a few.

Dallas has always been synonymous with shopping. We have it all. Dallas is home to the internationally recognized specialty store Neiman Marcus and it is also the site of America's oldest shopping center, Highland Park Village.

From unique boutiques to premier shopping malls and hip new shopping districts, Dallas has fashion buttoned up. Galleria Dallas, Northpark Center, Willow Bend Mall, Stonebriar Mall, West Village and Mockingbird Station are just a few of the shopping opportunities and areas that you shouldn't forego when you visit Dallas

I think that covers shopping too, but just in case, here is a vid from my neighboring town, we walk around here at night.....10 mins from my house

Southlake Town Square

Southlake, Texas City Overview Video - YouTube

so I think we covered everything but views, but before we go there, I think you left out something I value - diversity. Texas is just bunch of white people, right?
Important to me since my wife is chinese
Wrong....
A sizable Koreatown can be found in Dallas, though this mostly commercial area of the city has not been officially designated as such.[25] Dallas has the largest Korean American community in Texas and second (to Atlanta) in the Southern US.
Dallas has a thriving vietnamese community
And lets not forget food!
Asian Supermarkets in the Dallas Metroplex - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
that more than in the Boston metro area!

Now, you want views...not sure what to link to but google "beautiful views" dallas metroplex

Well, I think that does it. I've left out all the fairs, music festivals, jazz festival, cultural gathering. In a few weeks we go to the italian car festival and the week after the the annual wine festival in grapevine (somthing like 400,000 visitors)
Also, world class colleges and schools. My kids schools are rated 10, as exception, the highest rating there is


I've lived in San Francisco for years, my wife is from there, LA, and Boston area. Minutes from my house I have lakes, parks, shopping, culture, a fantastic music scene, restaurants, gourmet shops and can enjoy all of this for less that it would cost me to park in Boston.