It's time for us to take more serious action here ...
 

Excuse my naivete ... but it's time to take decisive action. Punch hard and fast, wipe them out before they can do anything. I have been trying to become a more peaceful individual (world peace and love and all that kind of garbage) but this cancer needs to be erased. Time for hawks, no doves.

North Korea says it is entering 'state of war' with South - World News

What do you suggest?

-spence

The game they play is to threaten war in exchange for money and food.
No money.. No food.. We kill you.
China would never let NK get away with attacking SK.
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Just cut off his access to coke and Swedish hookers.... He has an insatiable appetite for both.

Might lash out against ABBA fans.

It's an interesting situation, North Korea could kill a lot of people before they were wiped out. It would make the mess in Iraq look a warm up.

-spence

We're not the world police.
Someone else can deal with them.

Technically the Korean War never really ended anyways.....so he's just puffing out his chest for the sake of the news.

Nebe is right too....China is getting pretty fed up with them too...
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"Bound by a bilateral alliance treaty, the U.S. is responsible for protecting South Korea if it comes under enemy attack"

"Security experts say it successfully detonated a miniaturized nuclear device in its Feb. 12 test, which followed the launch of a long-range rocket in late December. The combination suggests Pyongyang may be close to attaining a capacity to attack the U.S. with a nuclear missile, and prompted the U.S. to announce the installment of additional missile inceptors on the West Coast."

North Korea: What happens if Kim Jong-un acts on his threats? - CSMonitor.com

they're just following China's lead....

Ted,with the number of troops we have stationed in SK do you think we would just turn our backs and leave if we are attacked?Better yet,do YOU think we should?

Pull out of the middle east and let the dogs tear each other apart! And leave Asia to its own devices...they live there...we do not! When two big dogs get their backs up....let them fight!!

you cannot just pre emptively wipe them off the face of the earth
before they fire the first missle....

if we did that we would be in the wrong and then
have earned the imperialist bad guys name

"you cannot just pre emptively wipe them off the face of the earth
before they fire the first missle"

The hell you can't.

There is no international law, no section of the Geneva Convention, no particle of common sense, that says you let the other guy punch you in the nose first, before you hit back.

How many lives would you be willing to sacrifice before you gave the order? You'd wait for a missile to land in Manhattan before you retaliate?

I'm not saying it's going to come to that. I'm saying there's no glory in letting the other guy break your nose before you put your hands up and take a swing.

Whats more important is can we AFFORD another war?

Seems the Soviets thought they could and look where that got them.

we have money ONLY for Peace

we gave Mexico 1 billion + for anti cartel efforts last year
instead of ending pot prohibition to kill their black market biz

talk about a waste of money, it's in the trillion dollar category now

they just set up seven plastic chairs and killed a guy in each one
as their latest SHOW of brutality

Well,if we can "afford" to put Obama back in office then anything is possible. Politically,if we turn our back on one of our host nations in a time of war,how do you think that works out in the long term? Thanks for the hospitality and good luck with whatever happens? Think it through Ted,people might notice our abandonement and it just may reflect poorly next time we need favors.

And if the regional players like SK, Taiwan, and Japan don't think the US has their backs, especially as a counterweight to the peace loving world huggers of mainland China, then maybe they'll decide that they need to pursue a nuclear weapons program for their survival.

SK today is a much more professional military than the last time they went head to head with the Norks. SK will probably roll the Norks all the way back (assuming China doesn't jump in) to the China / Russian borders. But at human costs that could easily dwarf the last 10 years of war.

You mean countries that could have nukes if they wanted them tomorrow?

Oh our friends? We turned our backs on our friend Pakistan to kill OBL, they got upset but got over it. They seem to have gotten over it.
Do you know who our friends are?
And not just the shiny plastic BS making ones.

Open your eyes Ted and try to comprehend how it all works.You are talking apples and oranges.

"We turned our backs on our friend Pakistan to kill OBL, they got upset but got over it. They seem to have gotten over it."

They have gotten over it, have they? Tell that to the Pakistani citizen who told us where Bin Laden was. That man is a hero. Do you know where he is? Rotting in a Pakistani prison. They threw him in prison for telling the US where Bin Laden was.

Think about that Pakistani guy in prison. Why the thell, WHY IN THE HELL, would anyone in his right mind, stick his neck out to help us now? If someone risks his neck to help us, you don't throw them to the wolves.

Seems to me, that the USSR collapsed not because of an additional war, but because they embraced many of the same socialist economic policies currently embraced by our Dear Leader.

At least the Soviets had the good sense to not try the socialist experiment when staggering numbers of their population were aging and soon to be looking for government assistance.

We are doing this at the worst possible time. 10,000 Americans a day turn 65, a trend that will last 15 more years. They are living longer. The medical care that keeps them living longer, is insanely expensive. And to top it all off, interest rates are about 0%, so we can't grow any of the money needed to provide the promised benefits.

not to mention they are most often clueless about health
and are too set in their ways to change Period...
unless it's LIFE THREATONING.

And the scary thing is Jim, more people are on Medicaid then Medicare!! Think about that ....
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Its a good thing nobody in here is in any position of power.

Yet more meaningless posturing and saber rattling.

Seems more people need to be opening eyes and watching less Fox News.

"You said nothing but your usual clown car dribble, Thanks! ":tooth:

By MARTHA RADDATZ (@martharaddatz) and LUIS MARTINEZ (@LMartinezABC)(not FOX)
April 2, 2013

Gen. James Thurman, the top U.S. commander in South Korea(position of power), said that in his two years on the job he has never seen things as tense as they are right now, telling ABC News the situation on the Korean peninsula as "volatile" and "dangerous."

Thurman said with the North Korean rhetoric at such a high level his greatest fear is "a miscalculation. An impulsive decision that causes a kinetic provocation."

The general said he has to take North Korea's rhetoric seriously. Asked if he thought they were empty threats Thurman said "No, I don't think that they are. We've got to take every threat seriously."


LATimes (not FOX)
By Jung-yoon Choi

April 2, 2013, 9:38 a.m.
SEOUL --

"I have to say this is one of the most dangerous moments since 1953," said Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Beijing’s Renmin University, referring to the end of the Korean War.


BY: Bill Gertz
April 1, 2013 2:30 pm

China has placed military forces on heightened alert in the northeastern part of the country as tensions mount on the Korean peninsula following recent threats by Pyongyang to attack, U.S. officials said.

Reports from the region reveal the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) recently increased its military posture in response to the heightened tensions, specifically North Korea’s declaration of a “state of war” and threats to conduct missile attacks against the United States and South Korea.

China’s military maintains a long-standing defense treaty with the North that obligates China to defend North Korea in the event it is attacked. (meaningless?)The last time Chinese forces backed Pyongyang was during the Korean War when tens of thousands of Chinese “volunteers” drove south into the peninsula.

dropping a bunker buster bomb onto their Nuclear enrichment
underground facility often comes to mind and i'm sure it's
a high priority target.... if and when a war breaks out.

if the majority of North Koreans knew how vastly superior
our military capability is ...they'd tear that punk limb from limb.

you can do that LARRY but the problem is the radioactive waste cloud
would drift over here pretty fast....
the same as the smog hitting california coast from china lately...

i am suspicious that the dying seals might be an indicator of spilled
radio active waters from japan...having an effect down the food chain
the same as toads and frogs abnormalities/deformities are indicators for land
based pollution in the environment.

You apparently can't differentiate between posturing and legitimate threats but I suppose every forum needs a class clown. Thanks for being there for us! I have some bubble wrap for you.

Show for the class the large scale mobilizations of troops NK has done to preempt war on the south.

I hope you have Adobe stock, Photoshop seems to be popular lately.

This posturing has been going on since the 50's, the Korean War never ended, the biggest unknowns today are the 2 new rulers of each country and how they play the game.

I'm glad your not in charge :)
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"You apparently can't differentiate between posturing and legitimate threats"

Maybe ScottW and I can't tell the difference. But it stands to reason that the top US commander in South Korea can tell the difference. Did you read Scott's post? He quoted the top US commander as saying this is not a threat to be ignored.

Likwid, just because someone disagrees with you, that alone doesn't mean they are a right-wing idiot.

No one wants to take any unnecessary steps. But we don't want to get caught with our pants down, either, like we did in Libya in September. Agreed?

I think Ted gets a kick out of making jokes that are funny to him but loses focus on the issue at hand.To compare our role in this threat to what happened in Pakistan shows the absence of a clue in foreign policy,much like our our president. But the clever joke is his way of distracting the observers.Earth to Likwid;are you there?

So now the NK army has the OK to use limited NUC's! US is sending missile defense battery to Guam.

"clever" would be an awfully generous scoring by the judges...:)

Seeing it is almost definitely posturing rhetoric to make the capitalist running lackey dogs squirm under the tremor of fear as in open source they probably have not miniaturized a nuke small enough to sit on a rocket (think Satellite size - which is why their previous "satellite" launches are really worrisome) there is nothing to fear of SRBM/MRBM type systems. Sneaking a nuke into So Korea might be a different story but outside of the Korean Peninsular it should not be a concern. Chemical or Biological weapons could be a concern on MRBM through the second island chain, ie Guam / Marianas.

My understanding is the real risk is from the million plus howitzer shells over the border and 600,000 special forces they could send over the border to create chaos.

China will likely snub this before it boils over, last think they want is a nuke arms race.
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agree with Spence that it's not a nuke or bio threat on US territory likely but more and incident that spirals and resounds throughout the region, which is how most major conflicts tend to start, there is more tension in that region that just NK....our economy is intertwined throughout that area with allies and idealogical foes...disagree on China however, I think they are very content to have little brother causing us such angst...their main concern would be a stream of refugees over the border but they're beefing up the guns to deal with that and have already been turning back military defectors....they might use an opportunity like this to expand their influence and footprint which is the direction they've been inching toward for sometime drawing Japan in and others....interesting and comforting listening to the former undersecretary of defense yesterday explain that we've planned for virtually every possible scenario together with SK regarding their reaction to various actions by NK...but things never seem to go as planned :confused:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9251GU20130306

There's a very big difference between "taking threats seriously" and the flailing idiot bombing thoughts in this thread.

Smuggling a nuke into S Korea? That would imply N Korea had any form of competence. They can't even keep the electricity on 24/7.

And Dangles, can you even name the head of state of Pakistan? And why he was so upset over us killing OBL?
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Fairly easy. Here is a quick three: Midget sub, mine, fishing boat.

What does that have to do with you making dopey innuendoes and occasionally demonstrating a lack of understanding?If you are asking if I read the news the answer is yes,whether I believe all I read is in question.BTW,on a global scale,doesn't the fact they are enriching uranium demonstrate a credible level of competence? Are we preparing ourselves for the event of a possible attack because our leader is incompetent?Hmmmm.....