"I’m a Gay Man and Mass Muslim Immigration Terrifies Me"
 

Spot on. Great read.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...-terrifies-me/

"I think that actions like this are meant to provoke a reaction more than anything else. I wouldn't be surprised if they do these things precisely to stoke anti-Islamic fear...and hopefully...trigger Islamophobic hate crimes." -Spence

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So what are we supposed to do, in order not to play into their hands? When ISIS kills a couple of hundred innocents, are we supposed to pretend that we didn't notice?

It's ironic that you can't even talk about islam and muslim topics without having to think about how "they" will react!

Here's something I was talking to my mother about last night, in regards to the Islamic terrorist attacks in Paris.

When you hear the phrase "Your chickens have come home to roost" you are explaining exactly what France has experienced.
There was a report a couple years back that stated that with the population of muslim immigrants moving to and living in France, that it would not be too long before true French citizens would become the minority.

Now here's what gets me, and is further confirmation of the truly immoral nature of these radicals (and those that benefit from their actions thru apathy)..these animals think nothing of destroying and killing the land that gave them refuge. How screwed up is that?

Another thing I pointed out was what usually happens when any blonde, blue-eye woman marries and moves "back home" with any muslim man...they find out just how little they matter. Of course they wouldn't believe you if you told them that once thet get there you can't leave...EVER! The women, thinking they'll be living a life of leisure in an exotic land, end up living a life as a sex slave or as "property".

Now Obama I pushing to have thousands of Syrian refugees allowed to come here and we're supposed to welcome them with open arms...just like the French and Germans did!

With no real plan to prevent terrorists from joining the migration (just like our really effective immigration system) I would be frightened to think that the government was welcoming the potential animals that would kill thousands here to come here to join the welfare army.

Close the borders, across the board. Obama falls back on American values. BS. This is war, an emergency edicts are needed to effect security on our shores. What do you think happened to Japanese Americans during WW2? ,to a lesser extent, German Americans? There are precedents, and we are at war. After seeing the Frontline documentary on ISIS in Afghanistan, I don't know how we can possibly vet these refugees......

You can't vet them because the Syrian government (which Obozo tried to overthrow, remember?) won't talk to us.

Am I wrong in thinking that the Syrian refugees that would be coming to the US have been sitting in camps across the boarder in Jordan for years ???
Isn't that a lot different than all the Syrians who dashed across the boarder into turkey and have flooded into Europe ?
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they can ALL come as long as they live in Spence's neighborhood....

That's already happened... With the Azores
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Yes, I think you might be wrong. Not sure if this is true...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...mid-ISIS-fears

Obama's securiyt folks, are saying we don't have the data we need to figure out exactly who the refugees are. Given that, it does seem to pose a legitimate security concern, does it not?

Everyone wants to help these people. But we can't ignore security.

What a mess.

That link says nothing about the US. That's all Europe.
The US vetting process takes up to 2 years.
I'm not saying it's perfect.

Your link kind of reinforced what I said. Refugees are dashing into Europe. Not here.
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Maybe, maybe not. Some reporting states that they have been a queue for 2 years.


FBI Director says vetting would be really hard

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...es-from-syria/

But as John R and I said, the intelligence heads are saying that we don't have th edata we need to figure out who these peopl eare. If that's the case, you want them living next door to you?

woukd I want them as neighbors? As it stands I have no choice who my neighbors are. I stand a greater chance of getting struck by a car in front of my house than dying in a terrorist attack.

Do you remember what situation Mary and Joseph were in before Jesus was born ? Think on that and think on what your religion is based on.. Love. Acceptance. Giving.
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It gets tiresome when every time a conservative says "but", liberals claim that the conservatives don't care.

I want to help these people. But I also want to do it in a way that keeps jihadists out. I do not think that makes me a hatemonger.

The first job of the feds is to protect us.

Why don't we ban the sale of guns while we are at it. Because someone that is a US citizen "might" shot someone. It's the same logic
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we are so screwed.....

This site should start a raffle.
Closest prediction to a terrorist attack in the US (where & when) wins a plug, Rod & reel, charter, ect.......
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Not remotely the same logic. First, we have a Constitution that we are not allowed to violate, and the 2nd Amendment of said Constitution says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That's pretty clear language. Where in the Constitution does it say we have to allow in refugees?

Second, a gun is an inanimate object. Left alone, it cannot harm anyone. A terrorist is actively trying to murder as many civiliands as possible.

Yep. When one of the 2 major parties is debating whether or not boys should use the boys' locker room, the complete collapse of civilization cannot be too far behind.

When I started my career at Aetna, on my first day, the HR person gave me a tour, then walked me to my desk and told me to get to work. It never occurred to me to ask where the designated "safe space" was, or to tell him that I use the ladies' room because I choose to identify myself that way even though I have a wee wee. And one day, when some people at my table in thecafeteria said that Catholics were just a bunch of child molesters , it never occurred to me that I should march into to the CEOs office, tell him that my hurt feelings were his fault, and ask him to (1) denounce his white male priviledge, and then (2) resign.
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Security would have dragged me out of there by by neck, and taken me to the closest mental institution. Which is probably Wesleyan University.

I hear the cafeteria is great there.
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OK, that was a good one, gotta give credit where credit is due.

:hihi:
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Just bf WWII we turned away a ship full of Jews trying to escape Germany. Many of those Jews where later killed by the Nazis. That was a break from our one of our core principles and was a stain on our country. Seems like history is repeating itself.

"Seems like history is repeating itself"

Yes, it's exactly the same thing, provided that European Jews all across the continent were blowing up stadiums and machine gunning concert halls and stabbing everyone they could get their hands on and taking to the streets daily by the millions to chant "DEATH TO AMERICA."

Were the European Jews doing those things? If not...then it's not history repeating itself.

The European Jews were not. (Edit - Actually the reason the ship was turned away was bc it was thought they where security threats and/or communists.). The overwhelming majority are just trying to escape death. I read we let in 750K since 9/11 and there were either 3 or 0 people arrested for terrorism. Basically none.

Did we stop Saudi's after 9/11 even though I think all but 1 were Saudi nationals? The terrorists in France where almost all homegrown from France and Belgium. Lebanon let in 1,000,000 and we can't settle 10,000?

Anne Frank was one of the Jews who's family tried to come here and was turned away.
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She had a co-author on her book.

In the end of that book she comes out of the closet.
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There is no comparison whatsoever between the security threats posed by a boatload of European Jews, and a boatload of Syrian refugees (unless you can check them out, which Obama's leaders are saying we can't).

"Did we stop Saudi's after 9/11 "

Did we let any in that we couldn't determone who the hell they were?

"we can't settle 10,000"

Not if we have no way of determining who they are.

"Lebanon let in 1,000,000 "

Are the jihadists trying to kill every Lebanese person they can find? Nope. They want to kill us, though.

We can talk about whether or not we shoul dlet these people in. But it's the height of intellectual dishonesty to compare this situation with the European Jews. The Jewish extremists weren't hijacking planes and then flying them into our biuldings.

And there is no proof the ones trying to immigrate are the extremists. We all agree they need to be vetted and if they can't pass the vetting, they can't get in.

Are the states that don't want them going to stop people from visiting as tourists or even as students? What about the extremists with the French passports? Wouldn't they have gotten in?

"And there is no proof the ones trying to immigrate are the extremists"

Correct, the bad gyus don't wear signs, if they did, things would be easier.

What we can do, is go through a reasonable vetting process, to make sure these people aren't on any terror watchlists, things like that. That's what we typically do. But with these refugees, according to Obama's own security folks, we can't do that.

So what do we do? Make them promise that they won't blow anyone up? Is that good enough? we shoul ddiscuss that.

I'll concede that a large majority aren't terrorists. But if keeping out all of them stops one attack in the future, is it worth it to keep them out? Maybe, maybe not. We should be able to discuss it, without the d*ckhead-in-chief saying that anyone who isn't ready to welcome them with open arms, "isn't tough". That doesn't advance this. The man is utterly incapable of having a conversation with anyone who doesn't kiss his ring. I have never seen a POTUS so vindictive. And unless we elect Alan Greyson or Michael Savage, we never will again. I hope.

More to the story of WW2 Jews on the ship. As usual, things are more, ahem, nuanced.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10005267

Don't read every meme and think it is true.

That's not true, we do have a very good vetting process. We may not be able to run conventional background checks like you'd do for a US citizen but that doesn't mean there isn't a good process in place. It's very different than what happens with refugees heading to Europe.

Quite simply, it would be orders of magnitude easier for a terrorist to sneak into the US via other means than by posing as a UN refugee.

While we must remain vigilant, this is primarily a political issue to stoke fear of Muslims to rally voters = exactly what ISIS wants.

Given Trump's recent behavior I'm starting to wonder if he's on their payroll.

"That's not true"

I'm just repeating what Obama's own people are saying. I guess you know better than them.

"this is primarily a political issue "

Well, if it's political, it's bi-partisan, because 47 Democrats joined the GOP in passing a bill to slow things down.

"stoke fear of Muslims to rally voters = exactly what ISIS wants"

ISIS wants voters to be motivated by Islamophobia? ISIS wants us to elect someone like Trump, who would be wuick to bomb them into extinction? I don't think so. ISIS would rather see Trump than Obama? Come on.

They want us all dead, or to at least get us to force our women to dress like ninjas and prevent them from going to school.

There is ZERO evidence of that.

Everything I've read seems to indicate it's pretty good. First off, when you apply you don't get to choose which country you go to. Given the small % of refugees potentially headed to the US that alone would make it difficult to make a plant, which doesn't consider all the additional interviews and 1-2 years of process.

I wouldn't think for a terrorists to find their way to Mexico and get across the border would be that difficult if they were well funded. A wall wouldn't stop them.

The bigger issue is likely dealing with domestic intelligence and also without a support structure you're basically a lone wolf. It would take some time to build the infrastructure so that you could capitalize on a person or persons who find there way here.

So Obama being black was obvious? Was the code that he was black or that his color and name made him different?

It's not that complicated, it's called stereotyping.

I'll give you this, your logic is twisted.

I can't think of any sane reason why he's saying what he is. Like climate change, there may not be direct evidence, but there also is no other known conclusion.

Hmmm . . . in your sentence I detect various codes and stereotyping.