Black lives matter
 

Saw all of the protests today and every other day. Let's see how many make a stink about this one. I bet none. It only matters if a white is the killer. There will be zero black lives matter protests on this. What a shame. We need capital punishment!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-p...135608075.html

This has actually like been pretty prominent national news.

no kidding. Not my point
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452 murders in #^&#^&#^&#^&cago , they protest this one... Yup, plenty of useless pos come from there.
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These kids don't have a chance.

Time for the draft
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Most American teens do not pass the entrance requirement for the military.

Now a 1 year conscription for service might be good. Apolitical, civics, helping others, optional mil service.

Next draft - females in - zero political deferments

All things considered they are different issues.

I wish the BLM movement and the politicians and media that pander to it would work on the big issue facing Black Youths in America, being killed by other black youths. So while 2% of the death rate of violent crime is caused my law enforcement (some justified after trial, some not justified after trial), it gets 90% of the coverage and pressure. If that same pressure and coverage was placed on the highest cause, black on black murder, could we really, really make advancement on saving these kid's lives?

These kids do not have much of a chance.

When it is black on black, black lives do not matter no matter how young they R....black lives matter group is a hate group and calls for cop killings....u never c them protest the killing of a child.

Let's see....New Orleans...black man dragging white woman unconscious towards his minivan, white man (med student) comes to her aid and is shot point blank. If the black gunman's semi-auto hadn't jammed the white man would have been shot multiple times in the head. Of course there's no protest!

Chicago....a crowd of black youths pile out of their minivan and proceed to pummel a homeless vet into a coma, and eventually death. Again, where's the protest?

Now we have a black criminal brandishing a knife, which was already used to slash police car tires gets shot and killed by a white police officer because he refused to drop the knife. MAJOR protest.

Now I don't agree with ignoring the fact that the officer fired so many times, but I do agree with shooting when an armed an dangerous criminal reuses to follow police instructions.

If only the "black lives" matter crowd would show as much concern and involvement when there are so many more black on black crimes right in their own neighborhoods! (But I guess they are more concerned with getting on TV than helping the people they should be concerned with.)

Hey, Happy Holidays (That's if the "black lives matters" or an other fanatical bunch of whackos will allow it)!:angel:

In this case not only did they shoot him 15 times after he was down, they falsified the police report and spent the past year trying to cover it up, pay off the family etc…

It's pretty ugly.

I think the difference is that those ~2% killed by police have a much far reaching emotional impact. People generally assume gang members will kill each other, but if you don't feel you can trust the police where do you turn.

"I think the difference is that those ~2% killed by police have a much far reaching emotional impact."

Agreed, we hold police to a higher standard, because we entrust them, and they ask us to entrust them.

"if you don't feel you can trust the police where do you turn"

That's where you crazily descend into liberalism. By what logic is one unable to trust the police? The instances of unjustified police violence is extremely rare. There is no reason for one, in general, to not trust the police. But that makes great headlines, and bring in donations to the pig Al Sharpton, so the race hucksters play that card CONTINUOUSLY (in this case, that word applies). When the hucksters with megaphones can convince the dummies that they genuinely cannot trust the police, horrible things happen.

The police are unbelievably trustworthy. The facts make that abundantly clear. But it's a whole lot easier to tell people in Chicago that white cops are the enemy, than it is to tell them that their choices are the problem. That's one of the pillars of liberalism - blame someone else, preferably the closest honkey.

Who is "they" that tried to cover it up? White cops, or the Chicago Democratic political machine?

And if the past couple years have been a meter, half of those 2% the LEO was within the limits of the law. I have no love for dirty cops, and while I have some understanding for the ones that made the wrong call (things go south real quick). It is horrible and obscene to see cops doing the bad on occasion. But right now 2% of the problem is causing 95% of outrage and effort going into the teeny-tiny problem.

Deckchair Rearrangement.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will only fight the battles they can benefit from financially. It's not about right or wrong, but about how much they will get from just showing up and stirring the masses into a frenzy.

I cannot recall there ever being a case of black-on-black crime where they spoke up.

If only they were true to their calling instead of being media whores.

spot on.

jessie and al are $ grubbing racists.

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I wish the BLM movement and the politicians and media that pander to it would work on the big issue facing Black Youths in America, being killed by other black youths. So while 2% of the death rate of violent crime is caused my law enforcement (some justified after trial, some not justified after trial), it gets 90% of the coverage and pressure. If that same pressure and coverage was placed on the highest cause, black on black murder, could we really, really make advancement on saving these kid's lives?

These kids do not have much of a chance.

Spence, I think in an unintentionally round about way you are confirming JohnR's contention rather than coming to a different conclusion.

I don't think John would disagree with you that the 2% killed by police have a much farther reaching emotional impact. I think he is saying that is so because politicians pander to "activists" with an agenda (like the BLM movement), and the media pay 90% of their attention to that 2% more than to the 98% not killed by police but mostly by black on black. So he asks "If that same pressure and coverage was placed on the highest cause, black on black murder, could we really, really make advancement on saving these kid's lives?"

It seems logical to me that if politicians all the way up to the President and the DOJ, as well as black activists of all sorts along with the media hyper-attention can create a far reaching emotional impact by asserting pressure and attention on the 2% of white cop killing of black victims (much of it "justified"), then the same folks could create similar or even farther reaching emotional impact for the other far, far, larger percent of black on black murder by focusing likewise attention to it. And by doing so, it could lead to a greater chance that either type of black deaths could be minimized as JohnR suggests.

But doing that, would require liberals to (1) put the race card back in the deck where it belongs, and (2) frame an issue honestly, rather than demonize an invented boogeyman. They don't like to do that. Consider abortion. Do liberals say the intellectually honest thing, that pro-life folks have empathy (misplaced to a liberal) for the baby? Hell, no. Liberals claim that we are a bunch of anti-choice nuts who have a stated agenda to attack women's health.

Honesty, shmonesty. Much easier to deflect attention away from the actual, and politically inconvenient, truth. And then find some political opponent to demonize for reasons that make no sense whatsoever. That's liberalism in a nutshell. Admit that social security and medicare need fixing? It's not that you understand 4th grade arithmetic, but rather, you hate old people and sick people! Want our duly constituted immigration laws enforced? You are an anti-Hispanic bigot!

Who commits the most violent crimes every year in our country by race? And what race's make up our jail system? This is a trick question. Let's be honest
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Didn't you hear...that's the "School to Prison" pipeline that's causing the problem. Not bad choices on the person's part.

Its a combination of 20 things, opportunity, race, parents, single parents, rough neighborhoods, and much more.

BUT like Kevin said, you still have to make a choice - bad or not.

I don't think race has a lot to do with it, here's why...

Black kids born into stable, loving, 2-parent households who make good decisions and do the right things, do just fine.

White kids born into poor, unstable, chaotic, single-parent households, don't usually turn out well.

It's not race. It's all those other things. And in the huge majority of cases, all those other things can be avoided by doing the right things. Stay in school, work hard, present yourself well, don't go near drugs, don't have kids until you are ready.

You gotta see the irony in the name "black lives matter" I mean, it should be called "black lives matter, but only if killed by the cops, otherwise, we just look the other way and blame institutional and societal racism"

I get what he's saying, and I agree, my point was that most people don't really care about gang violence unless they're personally impacted. A lot of people do spend time trying to focus on the violence, but the reality is many don't want to hear about root cause drivers that don't fit their agenda.

Why do we incarcerate so many people and especially so many black men? It's not a discussion people want to have, nor is it a trick question.

It's like the drug problem I guess . Nobody cared till it came to our pretty little neiborhoods .
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I think we should have the discussion Spence! What's sad is that Obama doesn't want to have it because it's politically not feasible, but it's somehow feasible for him to throw police under the bus left and right...

Think of the possibilities of the effort and time that is put into protesting was instead put into cleaning up the community . That just may reduce the number of police/ felon interactions . Isn't that the mission ?
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"Why do we incarcerate so many people "

Because they break serious laws.

"and especially so many black men"

because black culture, more so than any other culture in our country at thi stime, embraces and celebrates a lifestyle that is a common path to prison.

There is a myth out there, and it's a myth, that prisons are full of otherwise law-abiding people who like to smoke a joint on the weekends. Almost nobody in prison is there for simple posession, and those that are, many were arrested for dealing but plead down to posession.

"It's not a discussion people want to have"

More accurately, it's not a discussion liberals want to have, because if they had the intellectual courage to be honest about what's really happening (read: tell blacks that most of their problems are 100% their own fault), they would anger the black community, who vote for Democrats 95% of the time. So instead of speaking the truth, liberals tell blacks that it's not their fault, but rather someone else's fault, preferably a white guy in a Brooks Brothers suit.

Most conservatives are happy to have the conversation. Problem is, you can't speak 10 words of truth, without being called a racist on every TV station except one.

"nor is it a trick question"

No, it most certainly is not. When I retire from the actuarial game, i want to be a life coach. Every single person who comes in, gets the same exact comment from me. "If you want to know what the problem is, look in the mirror. If you want to know what the answer is, look in the bible. That'll be $250, please. Next!"

Because they break the law......

Discuss amongst yourselves....

Very deep thinking gentlemen.

Why does it have to be such a deep thought. You break the laws you pay the consequences.....it really is that simple.

you don't break the laws you get to live your life in relative freedom.

To be clear - I don't mean these problems happen because they are black, or genetically inferior. Like you I have seen great black kids from good environments do just fine and I have seen white kids from rough neighborhoods do awful. Having lived on both sides of the tracks I have also seen it firsthand.

Want to see good kids of all races and color? Go to a DODDS school overseas where the parents, of all races, create a better environment for their kids. We did it together, as kids, and did not need hasthags, hug rooms, and dog whistles to do it.

It is a discussion that should happen, but what is the root of the problem? Parents and opportunity - and there the cycle begins. Saving 1 kid is great but it is not enough, we have to save all of them. And yes, I saw those kids growing up, I saw them when I worked in schools, and I see them doing real well in Scouts. Want to save 50% of today's underprivileged young males? Put them in Scouting. Seriously.

40 years now we have been hearing how we are saving them but it is not happening. Trillions have been spent, free/reduced lunch (yes, I was one of those kids), breakfast, dinner, medical services at school (yes, the kids need them) but we are not creating a separation between need and dependency.

There is no money to be made and power to be wielded for community action groups and politicians, that's why. It is easy to blame others for all the problems in the world, it is harder to lace up your own shoes and do it.

And seeing that you know the nuance and the rest of us are not deep thinkers, what would you do? You are a smart guy? What is your solution??

Come on people....do UUUUU really think that the group, "Black Lives Matter," really, really care?.....do UUUUUUUU CCCCC them demostrating when it is black killing black.

Spence...please tell me where they were demonstrating for justice when 9 year old in chicago was shot dead recently and or any other black person killed by a black????

Once again, instead of telling us where we are wrong (because you can't), you lob an insult and scurry off. Yawn.

This problem does not require deep thought. You don't need to be Socrates to figure out that if you drop out of high school and start making babies that you have no inclination to care for, bad things will follow for you and your kids.

No deep thought required...what is required, is a speck of intellectual honesty and genuine concern for helping these people, instead of exploiting them to get votes. That's what is needed, and what we know for sure, is that is asking way too much from your side. Your post here illustrates that perfectly, as you say it's thoughtless and shallow to say to poor people "work hard and make the right decisions, and you probably won't be poor." How the hell else do you avoid poverty, unless you are born with money or marry into it?

So instead of telling poor people that the values embraced by the Tea Party are a spectacularly effective blueprint for escaping poverty, your side paints them as racist. I guess that's what passes for deep thought nowadays.

Obama was in an historically effective position to really do something about this. As usual, he failed miserably.

Tell us. Discuss it.

That's a very wise and astute observation, and I bet The Dad Fisherman agrees. My oldest is just getting involved in scouting, and it emphasizes EVERYTHIING that's needed to stay out of trouble. My next-door-neighbor has high schoolers who are involved in boy scouts, and when they have fellow scouts over, I am really impressed with what I see. No underwear sticking out of the top of their pants, no foul language. They are polite to my wife and I, they are happy to play with my little kids.

I would say the same thing about a high quality martial arts school. These are 2 activities that will instill a kid with a blueprint that will serve them well, for their entire lives.

The Scout Law isn't just some words to memorize for a sign off......it's a Blue Print.

I always tell my scouts when I do a scout masters conference with them that if they have a choice to make......bounce it against the points of the Scout Law......if their decision doesn't violate any of the points.....it's probably a good one.
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