Brave speech in Swedish parliament about Islam
 

A member of Swedish parliament gives a speech about Islam's effect on the western world. Sweden has long accepted Muslim immigrants, and as usually happens, the Muslims are not becoming Swedish, but rather are setting up their own societies, and their own culture, within the borders of Sweden. As Bobby Jindal said, "immigration without assimilation, is an invasion"

I know some here will not like this speech. But where is he wrong, exactly? Instead of calling this guy a bigot, tell me where he is wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=ZMeYWfcUvUw

If you disagree with the content of this speech, but find you cannot make any specific part of it wrong, then you have two choices. You can either:
a) cling to your view even though you know it has been proven wrong, or
b) change your view.

Christian bakers who refuse to make a cake for gays are biggots.

People who refuse to respect other racial groups are racists.

Get your hate facts straight Jim
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Nebe, thank you for responding in the classic liberal way. Generalized insults with zero support. not even mentioning anything from the speech.

Who is "not respecting" another racial group? Earth to Nebe...Islam is not a "race". At best, it is a religion. In reality, it is more like a totalitarian, violent ideology.

The speech had fact after fact after fact. Your response..."racisthatecrimeintolerantwaronwomen!!! !!"

The guy went out of his way to say that many Muslims are not bad. Therefore, he's talking about extremists. Nebe, you don't have any issues with extremists, like the ones who murdered 14 people in California? It's "racist" to detest them?

I love it...Islam is now a "race". Who is wrong on their facts here Nebe?

Yawn....

When thousands or tens of thousands of Syrian refugees are being blocked from finding refuge, I'd be pretty sure that is racism. And that is what that guy was talking About.

Sure he makes some good points. If he was German and it was the 49's he would happily work at alshawitz.
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Wait till tonight to hear a true leader accept responsibility and map out a clear path to correct our little set back .
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I would t call nazi Germany's a bunch of biggots who discriminated the Jews. I would describe that as racism.

Keep pouring on the hate
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It was the guns fault. And the pork at the Christmas Party pulled the trigger
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Some facts about fascism -


Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.


Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause:

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Supremacy of the Military:

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.



The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Supremacy of the Military:

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


Rampant Sexism:

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.


Controlled Mass Media:

Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.


Obsession with National Security:

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.


Religion and Government are Intertwined:

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.


Corporate Power is Protected:

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


Labor Power is Suppressed:

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .


Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts:

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.


Obsession with Crime and Punishment:

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.


Rampant Cronyism and Corruption:

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.


Fraudulent Elections:

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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you don't have the slightest clue as to what is going on in Sweden do you?

Wait for it............click below.

Notice the other legislators in the audience, looking away, tugging at their ties. They don't like what this guy is saying, but they know he's not wrong.

After the Munich massacre, Golda Mayer (spelling?) said something like "that's the worst part of this terror...they make us do awful things, they make our children do awful things..."

no one wants to say these things. But the Muslims are forcing us into this situation. I believe every person living in a western nation will eventually agree 100% with this guy. The only question is, how many graves to we have to dig, before we all concede the reality?

Seems like that is the ultimate wet dream solution for fascists. ;)
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NEBE....glad U straightened it out........I would bake the cake at a price....proves I'm not a biggot.....:) I respect all groups and religions, to each their own.....:) so I'm not racist...thank U nebe.

Jim U may not B welcomed in Sweden.... can B prosecuted for criticisim of Islam... just look at sweden, there is a form of sharia law....women come under the law of allah


http://pamelageller.com/2014/04/shar...m-islam.html/#!

I never realised how bad socialist democrats really RRRR....:)

As I expected, the liberals here could not propose one single example of where this guy is wrong. But because he doesn't support the liberal narrative, he must be a bigot.

It's coming. Western people are starting to feel like enough is enough.

whats coming ? Genocide ?
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Something very ugly. The ferocity of this enemy exceeds that of the Japanese in WWII.

Nebe, what would you do? There are millions of Muslims out there who want to kill all of us as well as all of Israel. Don't we have a right to feel safe? Obama's approach isn't working.

I don't want my kids to have to deal with this.

What would you do at this point?

Let's see. I'd take all our troops out of the Middle East and close our bases there. I'd tell Israel they are on their own and I would take all that money that was going to be spent bombing the piss out of Iraq and Syria and build schools. You drop bombs you grow terrorists. You educate them and you will break down the fubdimantals that breed terrorism.
I'd encourage China to move factories there to create jobs. The place has oil, why not make plastics there ?
Give these people something... All we do is take their oil.
But to be fueled by hate and blind ignorance due to who's God is better is as ignorant as two school kids fighting. An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
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Just remember. Consider the odds of being killed by a terrorist attack or being seriously f-Ed up by a deer tick. The deer tick has way better odds ;)
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You've said a whole lot of stuff . . . but you still have not pointed out one wrong thing about what the speaker in the video said.

Because he can't point out any mistakes. This is what liberals do. Nebe and Spence cannot begin to tell us anything the guy said that was wrong (because nothing he said was wrong), so they call him a racist Islamophobe. That's liberalism, they continue to cling to the narrative, even when it has been shown to be wrong.

Meanwhile, the guy who gave that speech, has probably been decapitated by now by the religion of peace.

Tomorrow is the anniversary of Pearl Harbor. What would Obama have said if he was President? ""Yesterday, December 7, 1941, was a day which will live in tolerance and moral equivalence. Let me make one thing absolutely clear: we are not at war with Japan, which is one of the world's great empires. The future must not belong to those who criticize the emperor of Japan, just because a handful of fanatics perverted the great message of the Japanese imperialists. If anyone says anything anti-Japanese, I will have my department of justice investigate them."

We don't give them anything?

The male shooter was born here, he had a job, provided by the taxpayers, paying $70k a year. Last year, when his wife was pregnant, the office threw them a baby shower. SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PLANNED THE SHOWER, WERE MURDERED.

These people are satanic, brutal, sociopaths. You think you can make them lay down their arms by being nice?

You grandfather fought at Tarawa, right? Did you ever say to him, "why are you killing the Japanese? Just remove the naval blockade so they can thrive economically? Make hugs, not war, grandpa"?

Because Realpolitik abhors a vacuum. Of the three major global political powers; USA, Russia, China, which is most likely to be benevolent and try to foster prosperity for other countries, even at its own detriment?

Who gives a crap? Let Russia take over the mess and let them be the target of future terrorism. Isn't that brilliant ?! ........ Oh wait !
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seems that many of the terrorist who have committed terror as well as those that support them were and are very well educated often on our dime....

give them pollution?...you want to pollute the Middle East now?...have you been to China?...and you want to make them slaves to slave labor....how nice of you?

he was at tarrawa. thank you for confirming that you want a genocide. :)

That necessarily means, that you think your gradfather committed genocide?

I don't "want" to do anything. They are forcing us into this situation. Not my choice.

You said we don't "do anything" for these people? In Iraq, under President Bush, we gave them freedom. For the first time, they had free, open, peaceful elections. Thanks to us, many more little girls started going to school. we did this at a terrible cost to us, but we did it, and we didn't do it to confiscate their oil, take your tin foil hat off for a moment, will you?

For the third and final time...did the Swede who gave that speech, say anythig that you can show was wrong? Calling him a bigot is easy. Try something harder. Tell me where he was wrong.

i wouldn't say the japanese casualties were a genocide as every one of those guys fought to the death. anyone who surrendered was taken prisoner. The difference between that situation and this situation is that not every middle eastern muslim poses a death threat to you or me, unless you are a god fearing scared of anyone who isn't like you isolationist fascist and want to irradiate the threat completely.

The swede is not wrong on paper, but is fundamentally morally wrong. I bet he is also a white supremacist and jerks off to midget porn while wearing women's underwear. :lama:

I find it pretty sad that I find myself who is pretty much an atheist has stronger christian beliefs that most christians out there. I give to charity, I would welcome a stranger in who might need help, I don't judge others and I am pretty much a pacifist. But the hate, the fear, the ignorant whitewashing i have seen lately by those who wear their religions on their sleeves as a badge of pride is really sad. I suppose we will all be judged by our actions in the end.

sounds pretty judgmental

Right!

"I'm not being judgmental, but I find your opinions to be loathsome."

Nebe, what evidence do you have that your actions are superior to those whom you are attacking, and I presume you are talking about me?

I am a devout, thought obviously flawed, Catholic. There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING in the catechism, to suggest that when a group of people want nothing more than to kill my whole family, that as a Catholic I'm supposed to respond with hugs.

Again, did you feel your grandfather was an accomplice to genocide? If not, why were his actions any diferent than what you think I am suggesting.

There were Japanese citizens that wanted nothing to do with the war, and thousands of them were fried to death during the napalm bombing carried out by the US. Was that "genocide" on our part? Was it unethical? What was the alternative, to let Japan continue to rape their way across China, and continue to eat the flesh of captured enemies? Because that's what they were doing. And they were not going to stop until they were brought to their knees. And this enemy has many of the same attributes as the Japanese that you rgrandfather helped kill (or woud you call it "murder"?) at Tarawa. They are fanatics who, simply, will not stop. Ever.

You know what's truly sad? I asked you, three times, to tell me what the guy said in the video, which you could show was wrong. And you offered exactly, precisely, zilch. So you cannot suggest that ANYTHING he said in a 6 minute speech was wrong, but you can't conclude he therefore has a point.

Plenty of insults from you (he's a genocidal racist!!). But you cannot counter one single thing he said. All you did was hurl insults.

And that's my opinion of classic liberalism, in a nutshell. When you know you cannot refute what we are saying, you hurl claims of hate and racism instead. It's a tiresome and predictable response to what was a fair question by me.

"i wouldn't say the japanese casualties were a genocide as every one of those guys fought to the death"

Do you have any idea how many Japanese civilians were killed bu the napalm bombing, and the atomic weapons, that we used? Hundreds of thousands. Many were women and children who wanted nothing to do with the war. Your grandfather was a part of that effort.

We did that, becaise the Japanese forced us to do it. If they stopped murdering, raping, and eating everyone in their path, we would have been more than happy to lay down our arms. But they wouldn't stop.

When one side wages war, particularly barnaric war like the Japanese and ISIS are doing, the only way to stop them is to get almost as ugly as they are. That's a horrible thing. I don't like it, i hate it. But it's reality.

And Islamic jihadists aren't equally committed to fightring to the death? How many have surrendered?

"The difference between that situation and this situation is that not every middle eastern muslim poses a death threat to you or me"

That does NOT make a distinction betweed WWII and th ewar with teror. As I said, we killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese women and babies who posed no direct threat to anyone. But th eonly way to end th ewar, was to annihilate centers of Japanese industry, which were in civilian areas. So we did it. We didn't like it. We did it because they forced us to do it.

"The swede is not wrong on paper, but is fundamentally morally wrong. I bet he is also a white supremacist "

There we go!! I admit everything he said was correct, but because I don't like what his truthful statements mean, he must be a racist! He must be dismissed, because otherwise I might have to admit he has a point, and I'm too close-minded to ever do that!

Pathetic.

I bet it felt good to say that. Perhaps makes you morally to superior to most Christians.

I'm, guessing by classic liberalism you don't mean classical liberalism which is entirely different than what are referred to as political liberals today. In many respects, you are a classical liberal. And, by the way, in many respects, Nebe is not.

Yes, I meant it was a classic example of how they behave today. This could not have been a better example to prove my point. Which is, when faced with the reality that the other guy is stating facts and telling the truth, rather than admit that he might therefore have a valid point, most liberals will yell "hate crime!" and then run away with their fingers in their ears. They do it all the time, on every issue.

If you are pro-life, liberals say you are attacking women's health.
If you disagree with Obama, you are a racist.
If you want to do what's necessary to stop ISIS, you are an Islamophobe
If you want our duly constituted immigration laws enforced, you are an anti-latino bigot
If you like the free market, you love Wall Street and hate the little guy
If you are opposed to gay marriage, you are necessarily a homophobe
If you concede that Social Security needs to be fixed, you don't like old people
If youthink we should pay our teachers only what we can afford, you don't care if kids are illiterate.
If you think Medicare is in financial trouble, then as Florida senate candidate Alan Greyson says, you want sick people to die.

As Obama said, "Republicans gotta stop just hatin' all the time". Yup, that's all John McCain does all day, every day...he spews hate. John McCain, who adopted a girl from a 3rd world country and changed her life indescribably. Unless Obama is full of sh*t, that was an act of hate, right?

I cannot stand this tactic Detbuch. Our economy, our culture, our moral compass, our physical safety, our ability to make the world a better place...all are in jeopardy. And these people refuse to engage in honest debate.

I think I made you guys mad :hidin:
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