What a shame
 

My daughter turns 18 soon and has already registered to vote. She, like my wife and I, was on board the Trump train and her support was unwavering. She wore his shirts to school and had no problem explaining why to her teachers who mocked her candidate. Now she has thrown them away and explained that she can not vote in this election as there are no candidates that qualify due to morality shortcomings. I told her to vote based on the platforms of each party and forget what a piece of crap each candidate has demonstrated they truly are. The future is very uncertain and it seems to be nothing but hard choices for all.

Does she listen to rap music lyrics? Has she heard of 50 shades of grey? Does she watch television after 8pm?
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Trump has a platform?
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yup

There are 3 other parties and a write in option....sadly, that's all I got for you. :wall:
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Jail time in the big house for your crush ...
Good enough
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We are talking about the leader of our country,in my family these examples are not viable comparisons. This is not deflate gate, perhaps you have different standards.
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This country is so screwed. We'll never be able to recover from the degradation of US politics.

No surprise to see Buckman and Spence maintain course here, but unfortunately bashing the opposition still yields the same,shameful choices.
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Yes he does. Border security is a very real issue for some. Trade deficits and fiscal responsibility are also high on the list of many. I know you dismiss the message because your capacity to view the big picture has been hindered by party loyalty.
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I'm not saying Trump is a good choice but he is our only choice .
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I never thought of that...this is one tough election cycle to enter as an 18 year-old. Maybe tell her that it hasn't always been like this (we nominated a true hero in 2008), and it won't always be like this in the future. The Clinton dynasty will end in at most 8 years, I don't see any other oligarchies on the horizon. And the circumstances that led to Trump's nomination hopefully won't occur again, and hopefully we will learn our lesson a bit. Maybe that's way to optimistic.

I also tell myself that I'd rather have a horse's ass who has a better vision for what's best for the country, than a genuinely nice person who can't get anything right.

Tough election cycle for an 18 year old, no doubt. But things will be decided that will impact her future, so she has a vested interest in choosing someone.

Y would U want your daughter to now change her mind and vote for one or the other...there morality will not change because of their platform....both RRRRR immoral.....I'm doing a write in for a person that has been a past president of two community organizations and has helped to defeat polio and has organized people to go out, get funds and put care packages together to send to disaster areas of which neither candidate has ever done on there own...:)

Border security isn't a platform when your argument consists mainly of fear mongering, non-specifics and proposals that lack any sense of reality.

It's like you're just leg humping Putin now.

Yeah, fear mongering as opposed to being oblivious to the problems coming over the boarders.
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Sadly Jeff, your opinion is spirited yet lacks any credibility. You are free to demonstrate more foolishness if you choose.
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Spence, I know you're an intelligent person, but do you really truly believe that Border Security is a non issue and only exists because of, as you put it, "fear mongering"?

Do you think other candidates don't think border security is a serious issue?

That doesn't answer my question.

Ok, I don't think border security is a non issue. I do think the issue has been distorted via fear mongering.

Let's see, Hillary does nothing but trash Trump and her campaign is based on that , yet you think Trp lacks a platform . Hell , The Clinton campaign hoped they would be going against Donald because they thought he was the only one they could beat . She's just that bad .
An awful pic by the Democratic Party
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So then it is a platform.
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How is it distorted? We have terrorists entering this country to do harm. We have illegals entering this country committing crimes. We have illegals entering this country draining us resources and costing the tax payers rediculous amounts of money.
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That's not a platform. What specifically is he proposing that has any degree of realism? All we've heard is hyperbole.

Well the status quo of the democrats of vetting immigrants certainly isn't working so anything he's talking about should be considered.
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Explain?

Explain? Really? It's just not working. What more do I have to explain. I think the left needs to explain why they aren't doing more to cut the head off of the snake and end the problem.
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He wants to build a wall which even Obama has actually been building.
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the parties have "platforms"...the candidates have various policy positions, act like they know everything, make a lot of promises and basically morph into whatever they need to at different times in order to get the nomination and eventually elected or not....you've probably see this if you are paying attention

hope that helps....

looks like trump has around 53 policy positions https://www.politiplatform.com/trump

let me know if you want me to explain to you how a Bill becomes a Law ;)

just for giggles...the preambles to the repub/dem platforms begin like this....can you guess which is which? :jump:

We believe in American exceptionalism.
We believe the United States of America is
unlike any other nation on earth.
We believe America is exceptional because of
our historic role — first as refuge, then as defender,
and now as exemplar of liberty for the world to see.
We affirm — as did the Declaration of
Independence: that all are created equal, endowed
by their Creator with inalienable rights of life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness.
We believe in the Constitution as our founding
document.
We believe the Constitution was written not as
a flexible document, but as our enduring covenant.
We believe our constitutional system — limited
government, separation of powers, federalism,
and the rights of the people — must be preserved
uncompromised for future generations.
We believe political freedom and economic
freedom are indivisible.
When political freedom and economic freedom
are separated — both are in peril; when united, they
are invincible.
We believe that people are the ultimate resource
— and that the people, not the government, are the
best stewards of our country’s God-given natural
resources.

and

In 2016, Democrats meet in Philadelphia with the same basic belief that animated the
Continental Congress when they gathered here 240 years ago: Out of many, we are one.
Under President Obama’s leadership, and thanks to the hard work and determination of the
American people, we have come a long way from the Great Recession and the Republican
policies that triggered it. American businesses have now added 14.8 million jobs since privatesector
job growth turned positive in early 2010. Twenty million people have gained health
insurance coverage. The American auto industry just had its best year ever. And we are getting
more of our energy from the sun and wind, and importing less oil from overseas.
But too many Americans have been left out and left behind. They are working longer hours with
less security. Wages have barely budged and the racial wealth gap remains wide, while the cost
of everything from childcare to a college education has continued to rise. And for too many
families, the dream of homeownership is out of reach. As working people struggle, the top one
percent accrues more wealth and more power. Republicans in Congress have chosen gridlock
and dysfunction over trying to find solutions to the real challenges we face. It’s no wonder that
so many feel like the system is rigged against them.
Democrats believe that cooperation is better than conflict, unity is better than division,
empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls.
It’s a simple but powerful idea: we are stronger together.
Democrats believe we are stronger when we have an economy that works for everyone—an
economy that grows incomes for working people, creates good-paying jobs, and puts a middleclass
life within reach for more Americans. Democrats believe we can spur more sustainable
economic growth, which will create good-paying jobs and raise wages. And we can have more
economic fairness, so the rewards are shared broadly, not just with those at the top. We need an
economy that prioritizes long-term investment over short-term profit-seeking, rewards the
common interest over self-interest, and promotes innovation and entrepreneurship.
We believe that today’s extreme level of income and wealth inequality—where the majority of
the economic gains go to the top one percent and the richest 20 people in our country own more
wealth than the bottom 150 million—makes our economy weaker, our communities poorer, and
our politics poisonous.

https://www.politiplatform.com/clinton has 175 policy positions

Not sure trump understands How a Bill becomes a law seeing he thinks the President of the united states can put someone in jail

his policy on health care : Healthcare
number 20
Defund Planned Parenthood thats it

its clear he has no plan

So far the majority of those things Americans are doing the same thing in far greater numbers then Illegals 2 wars are what is draining this country of resources

but again facts dont matter Border Patrol apprehensions, which the government sees as a barometer of illegal border-crossing attempts, have been dropping for the past decade and a half. The Border Patrol apprehended 337,117 people nationwide in fiscal year 2015. That's down nearly 30 percent from the previous year and nearly 80 percent below the peak in 2000. wasn't that George W. Bush time in office???

Deportations increased under President Obama,

you want to stop immigration Invest in central America if they have astable Government and economy the will stay

Surely you don't believe border security ends at the Mexican border. That's just one piece of the puzzle. We have a huge problem with people entering this country both legally and illegally. I don't want to stop immigration. We just need much tighter controls to follow the people that have already entered the US. Once here, they disappear into the woodwork, use different identities and addresses and apply for every government assistance program they can get on. All while working under the table or even legit jobs under their real name. There are no checks and balances.
I know first hand how it all works. My wife lost family over issues related to all this stuff because rightfully so, she doesn't agree with it either.

if you are suggesting he has no plan regarding healthcare, perhaps he believes that healthcare it is not a responsibility of the position? didn't read that in the job description anywhere...

he said "you'd be in jail"....he didn't say "I'd put you in jail"

now if she ended up in jail because his highly politicized State Department, Justice Department, FBI etc....made sure she ended up in jail....then we can just give him credit for continuing the policies of Obama with opposite results for Hill due to the change in partisanship

if she ended up in jail as a result of the fact that his State, Justice Dept and FBI were not politicized and actually conducted legitimate investigations and provided all of the evidence cooperating with the investigation...then it would be as it should be...

either way democrats, would have no business complaining

Is a speck of honesty too much to ask? Regarding Healthcare, Trump has also publicly said he wants to make it easier for insurance companies to write in multiple states, which might increase competition and lower prices. I don't know if that will help, but it is part of his platform, and you shouldn't pretend that it's not just to make him look less qualified.

I have been a Trump supporter since the beginning. Lately I think he is mentally ill. Not that the other POS is any better. She is a criminal and a gangster.
So, I'm gonna vote for my 8 month old miniature Schnauzer Charlie.

He must have missed this when he was a kid...

https://youtu.be/FFroMQlKiag
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"Deportations increased under President Obama,"

Which clearly implies that our borders aren't as secure as they need to be.

Do you lock your front door at night? Why?

"you want to stop immigration Invest in central America if they have astable Government and economy the will stay"

Oh Good Lord, now we have enough money to build a middle class in every country in our hemisphere?

Secure borders would also keep them in.

Everyone says Trump is crazy and that he won't be able to get things done and can't work with people . He has single-handedly brought down the media and showed them to be the fraud they are . He has taken on the establishment in Washington and proved the corruption that we all knew was there. He has taken on the GOP and show them to be the fraud they are while beating the best they had to offer .
He has taken on Hillary Clinton and the corrupt Democratic Party and I believe in the end will beat her .
Not directed at you ,but tell me again how he can't get things done.
I think he just might be crazy enough to put America back on track . .
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Jeez I hope you're right (that he wins), but I wouldn't bet on it.

Trump was born a trust fund baby, and maybe in his world, people let him get away with being vulgar and offensive because those people knew they needed his money. Clearly, that doesn't carry over into national politics, and he has been unwilling (or unable) to respond to the fact that being so overtly crass on national TV, is hurting him more than it helps him. That he can't address that issue, doesn't say anything good about him.

I am of the opinion that Hilary is at least as wretched of a human being (probably much more so), but in a different way (not as obviously obnoxious, but more deeply immoral). But I don't work in politics for a living, and I know that Trump is hurting his own chances by being such an ass. You can clobber your opponent without being so obnoxious about it, like Newt Gingrich would do.

At this point, I'd be happy if we lost the Presidency but kept control of Congress. The Senate has a lot more GOP seats up for re-election than Democrat seats, and with a guy this polarizing, we could be handing them the Senate too.