It's PUTIN'S FAULT!
 

so says HRC,

Hillary Clinton told a group of donors she believes Russian President Vladimir Putin
contributed to her presidential Loss....

Could it be that you SUCK!

Putin made me Loose wah wah wah

by the way Vladimir is hacking your computer as i type this
AND Nebe this is Not Fake news :tooth:

I don't doubt she said that.

She lost because a lot of people that might have voted for her flat out refused to after the hacks revealed the tactics that the DNC used to sweep Bernie under the rug.
Oh and she is a corrupt lying pos as well. ;)
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It would be a real howl if it comes out that Putin tried to affect the election....to help HER win! :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

To use her own words....
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE
Turmp is president in abut 30 days.
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The electoral college has not voted yet. For all we know they are going to say no way and then chaos will follow
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that would get ugly real faast if that occured

don't worry, Nebestrodamus is the Cleveland Browns of Prognostication

I dont think the Russians Help Trump win or caused Clinton to lose

Whats amazing to see people dont care That the Russians tried

and now Trump and his supporter dont believe it?? not based on facts or any contrary information to support their position just the excuse they(dems and establishment R's) are upset they lost and he won...

FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House,

“I think it’s ridiculous,” Trump said in an interview with “Fox News Sunday,” his first Sunday news-show appearance since the Nov. 8 election. “I think it’s just another excuse. I don’t believe it. . . . No, I don’t believe it at all.”

What road real or imagined with Trump take us down???

democrats are just upset because they think the russians...chinese communists, socialist dictators around the world are supposed to be helping THEM...not the other way around ....:exp:

dem party went all grabbers, pseudo intels, and elitists....they forgot all about working mid class America. game over.

You have any quotes backing that up or is that another one of your typical snarky responses? What is indisputable is the alt right AKA neo-nazis and KKK help the Republicans take the presidency back.
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Exactly correct. Reagan must be turning over in his grave. To see the president-elect praising him and ridiculing our intelligence services. Maybe Trump should start taking those daily briefings he is skipping.
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You're all wrong...its Bush's fault!:biglaugh:

:rotf3:

wait ...I thought it was the russians....noooo...I mean the racists...no...I mean the deniers....no......or the greedy CEO's....or...maybe...the..... the vast conspiracy....

:screwy:

There was this constant warning by some of us that removing the limits of power which the Constitution places on government--regardless of how well intentioned are those who promise us that more power will enable them to better make our lives easier and fuller--there could (probably would) eventually come to power someone who you fear--the boogeyman who you think is not worthy or capable of wielding that unchecked power and thereby doing great damage to us and our way of life.

In response, some said that we had already progressed beyond that outworn piece of paper, which was good for its time, but that we are in a new historical era in which we no longer had to fear government. That we have evolved into a time where unbridled freedom had gone too far and the checks on government needed to be removed in order to impose fairness and justice--all that was needed now was politicians to act responsibly.

Some said they didn't understand the intricacies of how the Constitution worked, or what it really meant. That they were content to leave that up to the politicians, judges, and lawyers. To the real experts. The experts would make it work, as experts do in everything else.

Many said nothing.

It appears, from the fear of Trump being displayed here, that the unexpected boogeyman has arrived. Now, the bigly, badly, tyrant and his henchmen will wield the constitutionally unchecked power that we so willingly gave away for the nice promises of what government would do for us rather than doing it ourselves.

Oh well . . .

But maybe Trump will ignorantly nominate some old-fashioned constitutionalists to the various levels of federal courts, especially the Supreme one. But will you guys be happy with that? And will your Progressive political hero's allow that?

I am confused? do you not have an issue with the russians playing in our election? that is the topic

Why are none of the Trump backers here speaking about the topic ? but rather talking around it ..

its very simple you either think its an issue or you take Trump stance . and don’t believe it at all

which is it ? I think its an issue today tomorrow or the next election .. what will be you response when its your party or your candidate on the receiving end of hacks and media dumps .. some true and some false by a foreign goverment ?? .. will you think its an issue then?? why wait acknowledge the issues exist that the 1st step back to a Fact based reality

Fake news at it's finest.

How about the 60% of precincts in Detroit they couldn't recount because there were more votes than people checked in or the seals on the voting machines were broken.... Silence is deafening
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In this thread you asked "What road real or imagined with Trump take us down???

I don't know if that was off topic. Or if you're allowed to go off topic but others aren't. Or if I should feign being confused about that. But my response was in large part to your off or on topic question.

And I think it was a very relevant response to your question. And I didn't expect that you would respond to it. Nor that you would even be able to respond to it.

Your post is exactly what he was talking about two posts earlier. So tell us how it is "fake news"?
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another Blog dodge defense

hers is mine
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...election-effo/

well I can say much to that line of thought, Fear of our Goverment over another and excuse it away with They have always done so. The U.S. has always played in other country's politics. It's standard political procedure.



so I spoke about the topic then I questioned where Trump will take us

this is off Topic ok

Politifact is a joke....i'm waiting for the "facts" before jumping to conclusions or believing conspiracies regarding Russia messing in our elections

it's not fear of government but what those may do with the power that government can provide if unchecked....like the fear that the leftys are experiencing to the point of needing counseling and pet rock therapy now that Trump is going to assume a government with greatly expanded powers in large part thanks to our friends on the left

so if it's ok for us to play in others politics who are we to whine if others play in ours????

This hacking is "unpresidented".
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I hope that's the beer talking?? :buds:

Not yet maybe after 7:15
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In a Bigly way :hihi:
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The Alt right being described as neo Nazis is fake news. Here is a more in-depth look at the alt right by someone who set out its principles. It has nothing to do with Nazism, or racial superiority, or white supremacy. It, rather, subscribes to so-called identity politics. And does so out of what it perceives as a necessity in order to engage and compete with the identity politics practiced by the other races. It is much more about cultural identity and preservation which is tied in with race and ethnicity. If you want have an honest understanding of what is generally the alt right agenda rather than relying on the biased reporting of the fake news that you've read, try watching this entire video. I doubt that you can. And that you would rather trust the more comfortable fakery of main stream bias. But maybe you will try watching:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...AB&FORM=WRVORC

Here is vox day's 16 principles of the alt right to which I alluded in the above post:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/...ht-is.html?m=1

I fail to see any Nazi or white supremacy affiliation in them.

BTW, the comments that follow are a good discussion.

Yes, 17 intelligence agencies really did say Russia was behind hacking

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...king/92514592/

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."


what are the facts your waiting for?

how many said Iraq had WMD's?....hmmmmm??

and you just linked a story from a guy who cites Politifact as his source for his facts..." according to Politifact...blah..blah..blah..."......Politifact is a joke

I'm pretty sure democrats would be pushing for Putin to get the Nobel Peace Prize if it were discovered that Russia hacked the RNC and disclosed embarrassing emails that might sway voters and the result of the election...

I've been around a long time...been all over the place.....I've yet to run into a Nazi, White Supremacist or KKK member....they should be easy to spot.....and apparently they are everywhere in sufficient numbers to sway an election....but voter fraud does not exist :eek:

Don't see how the Russians interfered with the election.

It was held on the date it was scheduled, the polls opened on time, people voted, votes were tallied, and a winner was declared. All seemed pretty orderly to me....

Now did they hack into some poorly secured servers owned by the DNC and HRC? And did they expose all the lies and corruption going on in the DNC? Hmmmmm.....

If Putin's last name was Woodward or Bernstein he'd probably get a Pulitzer. :hihi:
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The CIA concluded that the Russians not only tried to disrupt the election but specifically to aid Trump. And Trump ended up dismissing not only the intelligence agency's conclusion but also dismissed the intelligence community all together by calling its conclusions ridiculous. So the Russians didn't interfere with the elections yet Trump used the same emails they exposed to smear Clinton.🙈🙉🙊
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This.

Russia DID try to influence the election. It is what they do.

They did not HACK the election. That would involve tampering with the results.

What they did is more or less what they always do to us and to others.

"Whats amazing to see people dont care That the Russians tried "

Can you support that please? I think most people, regardless of party, don't like what Russia did.

What's more important than how those emails were revealed, is what they revealed. Hilary getting debate questions ahead of time. The DNC paying operatives to start fights at Trump rallies. Hilary and the DNC working to sabotage Bernie's chances.

Seems to me that all liberals care about is how those emails were hacked. I haven't heard many liberals express concern about the content of the emails. Nor have I heard anyone at the DNC or the Hilary campaign, dispute the content of the emails.

Trump is now saying that if the FBI and CIA agree, he presumes they are correct. Hate to inject facts into your rant.

The mind boggles at the thought of where you get your information (Pravda? The Daily Worker? Tass?). Again, Trump has been saying that if multiple agencies say Russia is behind the hacks, he will presume they are correct. Look it up.

WDMSO -

for you.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...us-report.html

Russia tried to influence the election by exposing truthful info about some disgusting Democrat tactics. There is zero evidence that the WikiLeaks leaks, played a major role in the outcome.

And if the leaks DID influence the outcome, is it the fault of those who exposed the truth? Or is it the fault of those who engaged in shameful tactics?

WDMSO, you want to comment on that, please?

Hilary ran against the most unpopular candidate ever, in terms of his unfavorable polling.

She spent WAY MORE than he did.

She cheated - got debate questions ahead of time from CNN, and the DNC hired thugs to incite violence at Trump rallies.

She had the entire media, except for Foxnews, in her camp.

All that...and she got creamed in the electoral college. Naturally, her followers are shrieking their big, fat, red mouths and asking, in true totalitarian fashion, for a small number of people to reject the expressed will of the electorate.

In a democracy, sometimes the voters will not go your way. Them's the breaks. Hilary doesn't have superdelegates in the general election to hand it to her, like she had available to her in the primary.

And naturally, Michelle Obama is right back to hating her country. She says we have no hope. Investors sure seem to feel quite differently. Tell everyone who has a 401(k), that we are in a hopeless situation...