Rapid Reduction Layouts
 

Anyone have any thoughts or input? I'm considering one additional build, an 11'.

I think BillyD has one in the works
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Yes I do. 10' Infinity. Primarily used on the sand. VS150. Single foot KL-H reduction guides, KT runners. Thought of doing a 25L,12 H, 7L to KB 6 runners. Decided to use K25H, K12H K8M,KT 8 runnners for a practical reason as it still needs to perform in the surf when weeded up and re stringing at night . Eyesight s#cks. Haven't set up the guides as of yet.

i had come up with the same two layouts and was going to go with the 25-12-8m-kt8 for the same reason. Still toying around with it. I need another rod like I need another hole in my head but I'm in NJ and will have a chance to p/u a blank that I won't be able to get realistically otherwise. Thanks for the input.

What weight rod and what size reel/braid?

The easiest/cheapest is exactly what you've specified, KLH25-12-8m-8's. I've done this on rods 8.5-11 feet and been happy. You need to be careful in transport, however. I've also done 20H-10H-8m- 8KT runners and it works well.

The RV guides offer a double foot option but at an awful price ($180-320 for a set without tip)
RV25-RV16-KWm10-whatever runners is reportedly very good. I'm about to build this layout on a 10' rod (whose recipient is afraid of singles).

For years I've used Titanium LC20 (or 16M) followed by LC 12m- Lc10-kw/kt runners with good success. The collector does go pretty far out the rod but the rods cast well and are very light.

There is a 4th option that I have not tried. It uses a KW 30 (H?) collector followed by single foot transition chain of KL20-KL12- runners. For big reels and heavy braid it might be worth testing casting this option.....but again I've not tried it.

The problem with building one of these layouts, particularly if you use titanium, is that you will soon find you need to rewrap all your other rods as you won't be able to stand to look at them, never mind fish them.

George I've been on the fence with the RV guides waiting for SS frame. Last year I built a 1087 FSC for a friend w/titanium tip to collector. RV 25, 16, K12M, KT8 runners and an Arowana ti tip. Extremely light and nice looking but "too" rich for my blood. Nonetheless rod casts amazing and responsive tip. I figure I'll do the Infinity rod with single reduction and if I decide, I'll to change when the S'S RV ' S are available.

the rod would potentially be a odm nex1 11 3/4-4, reel would be vs200/zb25, braid, don't know, 30 or 40. Ti is out for this build. I have torzite on several rods, very nice, very pricey. It's just not in the budget for this one.

I do like the possible kw30-kl20...., hadn't considered that but I definitely will.

I don't have too much of a problem with single foots, like stated above, transport probably being the biggest risk.

I s/b able to get out today and look at blanks. If I pull the trigger on the blank then I will probably try one of the above layouts and see how it works.

thanks for hte input

I wish I could get an Arowana Titanium tip in a 10 and 11 tube/8 or 10 ring to try and diminish tip catching on the backswing but as far as I can tell they stop at size 8 tube.

I have an arowana tip on a light 7' acid wrapped conventional rod and the line seems to catch the tip QUITE often. So much so that I probably wouldn't use another.
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I think my post is incorrect. As you mention I think the reduction is KW 30 (H?) to plain KL20-KL12, not KLH 20/10 as I described. The height to the bottom of the KLH ring is higher than the bottom of the KW30H so it wouldn't work.

The layout was described by ZA fisher over on SOL (he's quite sharp).
Here is his quote (but I'm not sure if he uses a KW30 or KW30H)

"8's are fine if you have no weed. (use them myself)
Don't like KW30 to KW20 though, not because of over choking, but because the KW20 is low and I find you need to push it out further for a neat bullseye to the choke.
You end up with, to my mind a too large gap between the KW30 and KW20.
KW30 to KL20 to KL12 is a different story - works like a charm with the KL20 and KL12 being quite a bit taller than their KW counterparts.
But you have to be comfortable with single foot guides"

well, looks like i will try it out...

guides ordered, will start it next week.

guides on back order - ugghh

starting a 120l in the meantime

Drew , what's guides were back ordered? Mudhole?

Great info here , thanks
Starting the process for a 120 1m

While I think of it, a FYI , found it helpful to use the camera eye of my cell to look down thru reduction to see where it hits the (colector ?)

getbit, mudhole also had a good number of them out of stock tho. the email that i received said they hoped it would ship next week (this coming week) but nothing definite.

still waiting on the guides for this...

I see MH is out of stock on the RV16. Plus my order was delayed do to weather en route to Pa.

120L that i'm working on in the meantime

rest

Drew that's very nice. Like the underwrap like that for LC AND K guides. Your single accent thread is it weaved ?

just a single inlay of thread.

i'm hoping to get the guides (all but 2 of them) on monday. i'm off tuesday but the storm will probably prevent me from test casting until the weekend.

What guides you waiting for?

pretty much all of them. it s/b delivered tomorrow according to usps tracking. i was going to try 2 setups - kl25-12-8m... and kw30-kl20... the 20 is still on backorder though. i won't get to test cast until next weekend at this point.

120l in progress...

last

I haven't finished the set up on mine but the guides KL25h, KL12h, KL8M, kt8's. In the middle wrapping a VT 4-8 .

that's what i was going to try, if/when they ever get here.

FINALLY got most of the guides today, at least the ones to do a kl25-12-8.... I was mildly concerned that the 25 wouldn't work but the top of the ring as well as the bottom are higher than a kw30. I thought it would be lower and not work. So sunday is the day to test cast and hopefully get it to work.

the sent me the wrong guide(kw) - order a 30, received a 30L...

I laid out the KLH25, 12 8M. Reel shaft to choke KT 8 @ 52". Line from top guides put the KL25H 15.5" from the 12 and the 8M 8.5". I gonna pull the 12 back to create a parabolic bend in line and test both ways. I don't like the long space in the second transition guide to help reduce line coils and chatter. I'm using a VR 150 reel.

Picked up a Gosa 6K to go with a GSB1201m yesterday, phyced

Mud hole's sight has been down, looking at Getbit....

Thinking KR with KW'S,,, I'm tough on rods

Good info above here, thanks

http://anglersresource.net/Portals/a...eightchart.pdf

tomorrow's snow is going to put a damper on things, looking at tues now for test casting. maybe i can get this thing done for the fall at this point...

Don't feel bad Drew, I have 3 to test and thankfully I can build the butts and buttwrap waiting for spring. Geez Louise this spring week will still be COLD!!!

probably going to give it a try later today. i'd like to get this darn thing started.

i was able to get some casting in today. i tried a couple of methods for the spacing and didn't like any of them. i basically put the guides where i thought they should go.

the blank is a odm nex1, 11', 3/4-4oz. reel was a vsx200. the layout was kl25h-12h-8m-kt8(x5)-tip. first guide was ~34" from the reel. i have to say i was very impressed. i will play with it some more tuesday but i don't see me making any changes to it. i know it's only a little test casting and i haven't used the rod yet but this may be a game changer for me. i can't see me building a rod any other way going forward.

my most recent builds have been kw30-25-20-12-10/8. this build replaces 30-25-20-12 with 25-12-8, dropping a 30 & 20 and adding in an 8m. i haven't checked the weights but that's a pretty decent savings.

You say replace with KW25 K12 K8M. ? Use the 25 on small spool reels but haven't on 200-250reels. I do have a breach way honey rod which I built awhile back for conventional and spin. MN30. Casted great w/ fire line with a Mitchell 302. Looks odd.

i meant my most recent builds have all been kw30-25-20 and this one uses fewer of the larger size guides for seemingly the same performance. i didn't think that the 25-12-8 was going to work very well on an 11' rod with a 200 size reel. i have to play around with it a little more but i don't think i'm going to change much.

i took some slow-mo video with my iphone. it was kind of hard to make a cast, grab the phone, and then line up with the light correctly but on the video that i got, i couldn't see any issues with the line going thru the guides.

Kind of a hat trick, filming it alone.LOL