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JohnR 06-08-2017 09:50 PM

Comey
 
Thought his testimony was good and honest and enlightening for what could be said in open (clearly would love classified transcript but...).

Short version: Trump is a tool and a fool. Suggested with firmness to drop. As someone I follow (former Navy Captain( stated, in mil/fgov organization "I think" and "I'd like" are more than suggestions but guidance to follow.

That said, not sure if this is obstruction. Interesting he blew the NYT reporting out of the water. And Trump is not the subject of an investigation in the unclass testimony, but some of his "satellites" may be.

Slipknot 06-09-2017 04:04 AM

Comey admits he is leak, desperation? Proper? He sounded political the way he defended Hillary and the Dems.
Trump may foolish but is no fool, he did not collude with Russians so left politicians can stop their squawking now.
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buckman 06-09-2017 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1123192)
Comey admits he is leak, desperation? Proper? He sounded political the way he defended Hillary and the Dems.
Trump may foolish but is no fool, he did not collude with Russians so left politicians can stop their squawking now.
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Clearly a partisan . Trumps instinks for asking his loyalty and firing him proved right .
Comey perhaps the weakest FBI director ever
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Slipknot 06-09-2017 05:02 AM

He was afraid of being murdered by Clinton
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PaulS 06-09-2017 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1123191)
Thought his testimony was good and honest and enlightening for what could be said in open (clearly would love classified transcript but...).

Short version: Trump is a tool and a fool. Suggested with firmness to drop. As someone I follow (former Navy Captain( stated, in mil/fgov organization "I think" and "I'd like" are more than suggestions but guidance to follow.

That said, not sure if this is obstruction. Interesting he blew the NYT reporting out of the water. And Trump is not the subject of an investigation in the unclass testimony, but some of his "satellites" may be.

Unlike the others I agree with you. The Pres. says "I hope" - you do it. But doubt it is obstruction.

Believe he said he knew Trump would lie. Another bad day for Trump (although it got off the front page how he did more illegal stuff w/his charity and how they basically took $ away from kids w/cancer).

scottw 06-09-2017 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1123202)

Another bad day for Trump.

?...seems Trump was exonerated for many of the things the left has been dogging him about.....

Trump has an odd way of turning bad days and awful moments into "covfefe bigly"

he will continue to play the left and the left will continue to overreact to everything to the point of having less credibility than Trump...which is an impressive feat :kewl:

PaulS 06-09-2017 08:06 AM

Maybe they should have another hearing on Bengahzi instead of examining all the $ paid to Trump assoc and the contacts that they constantly lie about.

My favorite line from his lawyer was "the President is not a liar". Must have a different definition than most not partisian Americans.

Trump would have rather have loyalty than honesty and the Constitution.

scottw 06-09-2017 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1123207)
Maybe they should have another hearing on Bengahzi instead of examining all the $ paid to Trump assoc and the contacts that they constantly lie about.

My favorite line from his lawyer was "the President is not a liar". Must have a different definition than most not partisian Americans.

Trump would have rather have loyalty than honesty and the Constitution.

probably depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is....:kewl:

boot man 06-09-2017 08:19 AM

At what point does a government abuse whistle blower become a leak and a traitor?

Pretty sure if you do something by the book, you don't have to worry about either.

Applies to both parties equally really.
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buckman 06-09-2017 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1123207)
Maybe they should have another hearing on Bengahzi instead of examining all the $ paid to Trump assoc and the contacts that they constantly lie about.

My favorite line from his lawyer was "the President is not a liar". Must have a different definition than most not partisian Americans.

Trump would have rather have loyalty than honesty and the Constitution.

"Double standard " ... applies to your every response
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PaulS 06-09-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1123212)
"Double standard " ... applies to your every response
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Point them out by pulling up some quotes?

I've asked you to do that repeatedly, yet you never do.

Pathetic.

Jim in CT 06-09-2017 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1123202)
how he did more illegal stuff w/his charity and how they basically took $ away from kids w/cancer).

I saw a piece that said if Trump charities paid Trump Corp to use their golf resorts, that's not necessarily illegal, but man doe it appear ugly. Same article said that the Trump charity (I presume you're talking about the Foundation that gives money to St Jude's Childrens Hospital) has a fairly admirable expense ratio. But it sure looks gross if that money found its way to him. Sort of like someone using the Clinton Foundation for personal gain.

It seems morally bankrupt, like other things he has done. I hope he chooses not to run in 20.

buckman 06-09-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1123213)
Point them out by pulling up some quotes?

I've asked you to do that repeatedly, yet you never do.

Pathetic.

You repeatedly made excuses for the Clinton foundation.

Does it bother you that Loretta Lynch clearly worked with the Clinton campaign to minimize the damage from an FBI investigation ?
Hillary Clinton repeatedly lied. "I never destroyed any emails, " "I never sent classified emails " etc. etc ......
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PaulS 06-09-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1123217)
I saw a piece that said if Trump charities paid Trump Corp to use their golf resorts, that's not necessarily illegal, but man doe it appear ugly. Same article said that the Trump charity (I presume you're talking about the Foundation that gives money to St Jude's Childrens Hospital) has a fairly admirable expense ratio. But it sure looks gross if that money found its way to him. Sort of like someone using the Clinton Foundation for personal gain.

It seems morally bankrupt, like other things he has done. I hope he chooses not to run in 20.

The Trump charity gave money to the son's charity/fund raiser - that is illegal. And then the same amount was given back to the golf course. Expenses went way up beyond was was normal for a golf outing - not illegal unless they found they padded the expenses.

PaulS 06-09-2017 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1123218)
You repeatedly made excuses for the Clinton foundation. No, I didn't. That is a lie - so pull up the "repeated" posts (bc that implies constantly/many postings). I commented but show me the many posts where I made "repeated excuses" or the "double standard" where I criticized the $ given to Ivanka's charity. Bc w/o comments on another charity there is no double standard - keep trying. (unless you don't even know what a "double standard" is.)

Does it bother you that Loretta Lynch clearly worked with the Clinton campaign to minimize the damage from an FBI investigation ?What does that have to do with "double standard" - stick with the topic.
Hillary Clinton repeatedly lied. "I never destroyed any emails, " "I never sent classified emails " etc. etc ......Again, stick with the topic.
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Show me examples of my "every post"? I'd hate for people to read that accusation and think it was sleazy of you w/o any back up.

buckman 06-09-2017 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1123224)
Show me examples of my "every post"? I'd hate for people to read that accusation and think it was sleazy of you w/o any back up.

Sorry Paul ... I'll stick to topic. I'm sorry for the personal attack . Just please apply your good ethics and morals In a non partisan way 😊

The only one that is in trouble after Comey's testimony is Comey . He is sleazy
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boot man 06-09-2017 03:46 PM

I'll go with Comey's story. He admitted his errors, his "weakness" in not calling 45 out.

Trump's latest lie: "I'm not a liar"

The tapes of the conversation are this years Kenya birth claim. Neither exists.

Integrity trumps "loyalty".
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buckman 06-09-2017 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by boot man (Post 1123229)
I'll go with Comey's story. He admitted his errors, his "weakness" in not calling 45 out.

Trump's latest lie: "I'm not a liar"

The tapes of the conversation are this years Kenya birth claim. Neither exists.

Integrity trumps "loyalty".
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What integrity ??? Name a Comey accomplishment . The man is like a millennial female . ( I stole that but it fits perfectly ) Go listen to his testimony please as it clearly shows his hatred for Trump and Comey's complete lack of balls .
If he's the best the FBI has then no wonder it took 20 years to find Whitey .
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Got Stripers 06-09-2017 05:11 PM

I never trusted him as far as I could throw him and nothing has changed to alter my opinion of Trump. I was never a Hillary fan, but I've always felt I'd need to count my fingers after shaking hands with this man. What a corporate bully thinks he can get away with in the private sector just isn't going to play well in the White House. I'm so tired of the drama, it's not good governing at this point, too many distractions; mostly brought on by his own actions.
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boot man 06-09-2017 05:15 PM

Watched it live. Saw reps on both sides praise his honesty. He admitted his errors, his regrets. The guy served under both parties, 3 separate presidents, only spoke to the last guy twice, once to say goodbye.

The guy you're defending started the birther movement, accused an opponent's dad of killing JFK, and has been caught in many many lies and hypocrisies

Save the Hillary/Obama comparison excuses. As an independent I can see their faults clear as a bell also.
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buckman 06-09-2017 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by boot man (Post 1123235)
Watched it live. Saw reps on both sides praise his honesty. He admitted his errors, his regrets. The guy served under both parties, 3 separate presidents, only spoke to the last guy twice, once to say goodbye.

The guy you're defending started the birther movement, accused an opponent's dad of killing JFK, and has been caught in many many lies and hypocrisies

Save the Hillary/Obama comparison excuses. As an independent I can see their faults clear as a bell also.
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Hillary's campaign started the birther movement .
The guy your defending didn't investigate leaks because he was the leak and quite possible tried to take down the President for retribution .
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buckman 06-09-2017 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1123234)
I never trusted him as far as I could throw him and nothing has changed to alter my opinion of Trump. I was never a Hillary fan, but I've always felt I'd need to count my fingers after shaking hands with this man. What a corporate bully thinks he can get away with in the private sector just isn't going to play well in the White House. I'm so tired of the drama, it's not good governing at this point, too many distractions; mostly brought on by his own actions.
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Saying once " I hope you can let this go " isn't bullying and Comey said in subsequent meetlmgs Trump never mentioned it again . Perhaps Comey needs his safe space . Good God , he's was the head of the FBI .
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Got Stripers 06-09-2017 07:13 PM

Bull#^&#^&#^&#^& and redirect is how Trump rolls.
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buckman 06-09-2017 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1123238)
Bull#^&#^&#^&#^& and redirect is how Trump rolls.
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Redirect ???? Culusion was a lie .
Now they are demanding the "tapes" lmao
People can't be this stupid . He said "Comey better hope (there's that scary word again ) there are no tapes . Idiots .... played for fools . Trump must piss himself laughing
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boot man 06-10-2017 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1123236)
Hillary's campaign started the birther movement .
The guy your defending didn't investigate leaks because he was the leak and quite possible tried to take down the President for retribution .
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Ok, in your world, Hillary was the driver of the birther movement. Funny how she never mentioned it in any campaign speeches, no?

And all the leaks just started after Comey was fired. Ok, sounds right.

I'll take "the sin is worse than the exposure of the sin" for $500, Pat.
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JohnR 06-10-2017 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1123239)
Redirect ???? Culusion was a lie .
Now they are demanding the "tapes" lmao
People can't be this stupid . He said "Comey better hope (there's that scary word again ) there are no tapes . Idiots .... played for fools . Trump must piss himself laughing
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I think he pisses himself lying, crying, or laughing.

I don't think he has aged well in the last 4 months

buckman 06-10-2017 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by boot man (Post 1123250)
Ok, in your world, Hillary was the driver of the birther movement. Funny how she never mentioned it in any campaign speeches, no?

And all the leaks just started after Comey was fired. Ok, sounds right.

I'll take "the sin is worse than the exposure of the sin" for $500, Pat.
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Not my world , it's their world and you didn't say who was the driving force you said Trump started it .
There is no proof this was Comey's first leak . I agree
Now did he do it to try to take down the Ptesident ? Yes according to him .
This troubles me
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boot man 06-10-2017 11:53 AM

It's true. He could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his followers would still love him.

If you want to take pride in that, God bless you.
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buckman 06-10-2017 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by boot man (Post 1123257)
It's true. He could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his followers would still love him.

If you want to take pride in that, God bless you.
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Logical response
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wdmso 06-10-2017 03:03 PM

It's called capt of the ship Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done to include Flynn. And asking comey to hope he could leave it alone .. no sure how Trump supports can't understand his meaning.. but yet again they love telling us what he ment to say.. even though we all understand the suggestion
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buckman 06-10-2017 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1123267)
It's called capt of the ship Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done to include Flynn. And asking comey to hope he could leave it alone .. no sure how Trump supports can't understand his meaning.. but yet again they love telling us what he ment to say.. even though we all understand the suggestion
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He meant what he said . He hoped !
What did Lynch mean when she directed Comey to call Hillary's investigation a "matter" ??
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Jim in CT 06-11-2017 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1123267)
It's called capt of the ship Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done to include Flynn. And asking comey to hope he could leave it alone .. no sure how Trump supports can't understand his meaning.. but yet again they love telling us what he ment to say.. even though we all understand the suggestion
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"Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done "

Oh, I see. So when Comey also said that Obama's Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, pressured him to downplay the Hilary email investigation...then using your logic, Obama "owns" that, correct? Or are bad things only "owned" by Republicans who do them?

Trump is a liar, a sexist, an unbelievable egomaniac, and a bully. We know these things, we know them for a fact.

But how do you criticize Trump for pressuring the FBI director, unless you can similarly criticize Obama?

wdmso 06-11-2017 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1123285)
"Trump owns what his people may have or may not have done "

Oh, I see. So when Comey also said that Obama's Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, pressured him to downplay the Hilary email investigation...then using your logic, Obama "owns" that, correct? Or are bad things only "owned" by Republicans who do them?

Trump is a liar, a sexist, an unbelievable egomaniac, and a bully. We know these things, we know them for a fact.

But how do you criticize Trump for pressuring the FBI director, unless you can similarly criticize Obama?

Obama never asked to end an investigation but why should the actual events matter. he is not potus and now you guys are playing but but but Obama. And carrying Trumps talking points . And the worst part you agree he is all those things listed .. and still carry his water . I am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions
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buckman 06-11-2017 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1123286)
Obama never asked to end an investigation but why should the actual events matter. he is not potus and now you guys are playing but but but Obama. And carrying Trumps talking points . And the worst part you agree he is all those things listed .. and still carry his water . I am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions
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Trump didn't ask either . Why are you repeating talking points instead of stating fact ? Most of what people assume is fact about what Trump is , what he said or what he has done is not based on fact, but on media assumptions , what ifs and made up lies .
Show me where he said to drop an investigation .
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boot man 06-11-2017 09:25 AM

Are there tapes?
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detbuch 06-11-2017 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1123285)
are bad things only "owned" by Republicans who do them?

Trump is a liar,

Trump is now officially a politician. Lying in some form or other is primary political methodology.

a sexist,

He has placed women in key, very important positions in his administration. He has done so in his private business as well. He seems to adore and respect his wife and daughter. If divorce or unmarried sex is sexism, then most Americans are sexist.

an unbelievable egomaniac,

It is neither unbelievable, nor totally egomaniacal. He shows appreciation for work well done, and for things done for him personally, politically, and financially. And besides, he is now officially a politician. Big egos, as well as clever lying, are prerequisites for political office. For most, those are bad only when politicians on the other side are like that. For our guys, it's a good thing. You may be more of a political purist than you have expressed in the past. You are, though, backing his politics in spite of your personal dislike of him


and a bully.

Ditto the being a politician thing. His "bullying" is not as subtle as most, probably because he has so much and so many to fight against. And because his agenda is so radically opposed to what establishment politicians do who want to keep their power. He doesn't seem to care how "unpresidential" or politically incorrect he is. It doesn't seem that holding onto power above all else is what he is about.

His bullying may be more of a contentiousness against so much establishment opposition--including most of the media, the Democrat party, a big chunk of his own party, Holywood, entertainment shows, and his having been successfully demonized.


We know these things, we know them for a fact.

Maybe for a bit of fact, but more so as the very negative and overstated characterization of him successfully established by his opponents.

scottw 06-11-2017 11:19 AM

"The study found that US Presidents exhibit elevated levels of grandiose narcissism compared with the general population, and that presidents' grandiose narcissism has been rising over time.

The relentless increases in extraversion and narcissism in US Presidents through history, which this study found, could stem, the authors speculate, from the heightened demands on political figures to be publicly charismatic and flamboyant, as media coverage gets more intense."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-does-ego-rule

Jim in CT 06-11-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1123286)
Obama never asked to end an investigation but why should the actual events matter. he is not potus and now you guys are playing but but but Obama. And carrying Trumps talking points . And the worst part you agree he is all those things listed .. and still carry his water . I am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions
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Oh, I see now. It's OK to interfere with the FBI to get them to downplay an investigation, but not OK to ask them to back off.

"and still carry his water "

I am honest. Not the same as carrying anyone's water. All I as is that you hold democrats and republicans to the same standard, and it's apparently asking way too much.

" am confused when will we give up this isn't about hilliarys loss but Trumps actions"

I think it's fair to point out the glaring double standard. Doesn't mean I don't have complete disdain for the guy.

Jim in CT 06-11-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1123294)
Maybe for a bit of fact, but more so as the very negative and overstated characterization of him successfully established by his opponents.

Agreed 100%. He isn't nearly as evil as he is portrayed to be. But I don't think he is a good guy. Bush 43 is a really good and decent person. Trump isn't the personification of evil, but not a good guy IMHO.

He bragged about the size of his hands, at a presidential debate. I still have a hard time digesting that.

wdmso 06-11-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1123288)
Trump didn't ask either . Why are you repeating talking points instead of stating fact ? Most of what people assume is fact about what Trump is , what he said or what he has done is not based on fact, but on media assumptions , what ifs and made up lies .
Show me where he said to drop an investigation .
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I hope you can let this go Or is that to cryptic for you... I hope you'll come home with me said the Jon to the prostitute , let me guess you think he was asking her on a date
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